No shit shirlock! And then you claim he made a throwing motion. Which is exactly the same as lowering ones arm to comply with the instruction to drop it.
There was no clear sight on anything, first instruction should have been to come out from the woods, as you could not see his hands.
He would have needed to drop the axe where the officer could have seen it to begin with.
Dropping the Axe would have freed up his hands for a concealed gun.
Every single thing the officer did was wrong, including taking only one shot. Was that a head shot and not center of mass? Reports detail his death only as "on the spot", which I can infer as being 'died instantly'.
Cops can get away with murder by claiming it was self-defense under certain circumstances. So they engineer those circumstances so they can kill.
For example, their training teaches them that a man with a knife can kill them faster than they can draw their gun if he is within 20 feet. So the cop comes within 10 feet of the man in this video specifically so he can claim "well, he was within 20 feet so he was a threat." He could have shot him from 50 feet away, but then he wouldn't have had an excuse.
Other examples I've seen: A cop will step in front of a moving car so he can claim that the car was going to run him over if he didn't shoot. Or, a cop might just tell someone to do a bunch of different things to see if his hands go next to his waist. If they do, then "he was reaching for his waistband" and shooting him is legal.
I was almost sick when I watched the video. Is this like common practice in the US?
I found some background to this on YouTube.
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — The Jacksonville Sheriff's Office published body camera video of an officer involved shooting Friday afternoon.
First Coast News reported in April an officer shot and killed 43-year-old Kevin Mahan. JSO was initially called to the 7200 block of Morse Avenue, on the city's Westside, for a person described as mentally ill.
The video shows the moments before the officer shot Mahan, the actual shooting and the aftermath.
"Put the hatchet down!" the officer can be heard in the video yelling commands at Mahan.
"Listen man, don't..."
"Put the ax down!" the officer shouted.
The officer can be heard telling Mahan to put the ax down four times.
Mahan can be heard saying "man, listen bro..." and then the officer shoots him in the head. Then-chief TK Waters said that Mahan stood up and raised the ax. The policeman fired one shot and killed Mahan at the scene.
Former JSO Police Detective, Kim Varner, reviewed the video and told First Coast News the officer was quick to shoot Mahan.
"I'll speak just for me. I can't speak for that officer and why he did what he did," Varner said, who has nearly 30 years being with JSO. "If it was me I would've held him at bay until I had some backup arrive."
Varner said he's been involved in officer involved shootings before. Considering the man in the video was described to be mentally ill, Varner said he would've tried talking the Mahan down to put down the ax.
"Why not try and talk to the guy? 'Drop the axe' ain't talking to him," Varner added.
JSO has not identified the officer because he requested to be under Marsy's law. A police official said the officer is back to work and no longer on administrative leave. However, the investigation is ongoing.
This guy looks like he's chopping wood to me. Half of the US population claim they have mental health issues? Should Police go around shooting them? (OK I get it he holds a "weapon" of sorts but still)
I was almost sick when I watched the video. Is this like common practice in the US?
Yes. Plenty of YT videos of cops shooting people in split second decisions. Some justified, others poor training/rookie cop.
There is a rule called the 21 ft rule (6.5m) where it'll take a second or two for an attacker to close the gap. Good luck getting a shot off at a moving target. That is why the officer isn't interested in a conversation at the moment. It's a gamble not worth taking. Backup isn't on scene, axe wounds suck to first aid (by yourself). Guy has a long history of violence.
The cop drew his gun when he was 100 feet away, started yelling at the guy from 50 feet away, and deliberately closed to 10 feet so he could invoke the 21 foot rule. He could have stayed away and yelled commands from a distance, but then he wouldn't have had the excuse to kill.
Regardless you say? A police officer's authority is not absolute as you have implied. Also, can you keep your fucking story straight? Just abandoning that "chased" narrative aren't you?
From the video, I can see neither that the guy was "crazed" nor that he was "chased down". For all I can tell, the cops trespassed on some guys property and gunned him down. In any case, the cop wouldn't have gone that close to him if he posed a real threat. He would have shot him from 50 or 100 feet away.
According to Waters, Mahan had prior arrests, including possession of a firearm by a convicted felon, a drug arrest, a felony traffic arrest and a robbery arrest. Records show in 2013, Mahan was sentenced to three years in prison after he was convicted of being a felon in possession of a firearm. In 1998, Mahan was convicted on two counts of armed robbery and one count of attempted armed robbery.
Hey retard... I never claimed the hatchet was thrown...
I claimed the shooting STOPPED the hatched from being thrown.
Do you see him raising the hatchet when he's shot? He clearly raises it.
IDK if you know this... But you can't throw a hatchet when it's on the ground, And you can when it's raised up like that.
Wow that's great buddy. So stopping a hatched from being throne, is not the same thing from the action of a hatchet being thrown? I'm sorry, that might be to simple a logic for you to understand.
I see a man holding up a hatched showing it to an enraged officer rushing towards him with his gun out, escalating a confrontation, and looking for any excuse to pull his trigger while aiming exclusively for the head.
Hey you know what? You have chosen for 3 days to not deal with this information, despite me repeatably linking to it. So, I will post it here, and see if your reading comprehension kicks in. You retard.
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I was almost sick when I watched the video. Is this like common practice in the US?
I found some background to this on YouTube.
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — The Jacksonville Sheriff's Office published body camera video of an officer involved shooting Friday afternoon.
First Coast News reported in April an officer shot and killed 43-year-old Kevin Mahan. JSO was initially called to the 7200 block of Morse Avenue, on the city's Westside, for a person described as mentally ill.
The video shows the moments before the officer shot Mahan, the actual shooting and the aftermath.
"Put the hatchet down!" the officer can be heard in the video yelling commands at Mahan.
"Listen man, don't..."
"Put the ax down!" the officer shouted.
The officer can be heard telling Mahan to put the ax down four times.
Mahan can be heard saying "man, listen bro..." and then the officer shoots him in the head. Then-chief TK Waters said that Mahan stood up and raised the ax. The policeman fired one shot and killed Mahan at the scene.
Former JSO Police Detective, Kim Varner, reviewed the video and told First Coast News the officer was quick to shoot Mahan.
"I'll speak just for me. I can't speak for that officer and why he did what he did," Varner said, who has nearly 30 years being with JSO. "If it was me I would've held him at bay until I had some backup arrive."
Varner said he's been involved in officer involved shootings before. Considering the man in the video was described to be mentally ill, Varner said he would've tried talking the Mahan down to put down the ax.
"Why not try and talk to the guy? 'Drop the axe' ain't talking to him," Varner added.
JSO has not identified the officer because he requested to be under Marsy's law. A police official said the officer is back to work and no longer on administrative leave. However, the investigation is ongoing.
This guy looks like he's chopping wood to me. Half of the US population claim they have mental health issues? Should Police go around shooting them? (OK I get it he holds a "weapon" of sorts but still)
What should happen is the officer should at least be charged with excessive force, if not murder. Though i suppose there could be extenuating circumstances that might have justified firing with intent to wound - i highly doubt there was cause to shoot with intent to kill (f*ing headshot)
Do yourself a favor and educate yourself on defensive gun usage. Anybody advocating for a warning shot should be ignored. They're not a thing. This isn't pedowood where dramatic pauses are necessary to make a viewer feel things. Colion Noir has a recentish video on various defensive gun uses that can land you in prison.
Anybody advocating for a warning shot should be ignored
I wasn’t really advocating for warning shots, and i recognize their strategic issues.
It was more an expression of frustration and disbelief. There is very little “defensive” about pointing a gun at someone’s head and then putting a bullet through it when they don’t immediately comply with your demands :(. This act was offensive in every sense of the word, and i for one doubt the officer was in any sort of danger to warrant their actions.
Wow, you are a lying piece of shit.
No shit shirlock! And then you claim he made a throwing motion. Which is exactly the same as lowering ones arm to comply with the instruction to drop it.
There was no clear sight on anything, first instruction should have been to come out from the woods, as you could not see his hands.
He would have needed to drop the axe where the officer could have seen it to begin with.
Dropping the Axe would have freed up his hands for a concealed gun.
Every single thing the officer did was wrong, including taking only one shot. Was that a head shot and not center of mass? Reports detail his death only as "on the spot", which I can infer as being 'died instantly'.
Cop playing Simon Says with a handgun.
Cops can get away with murder by claiming it was self-defense under certain circumstances. So they engineer those circumstances so they can kill.
For example, their training teaches them that a man with a knife can kill them faster than they can draw their gun if he is within 20 feet. So the cop comes within 10 feet of the man in this video specifically so he can claim "well, he was within 20 feet so he was a threat." He could have shot him from 50 feet away, but then he wouldn't have had an excuse.
Other examples I've seen: A cop will step in front of a moving car so he can claim that the car was going to run him over if he didn't shoot. Or, a cop might just tell someone to do a bunch of different things to see if his hands go next to his waist. If they do, then "he was reaching for his waistband" and shooting him is legal.
I was almost sick when I watched the video. Is this like common practice in the US?
I found some background to this on YouTube.
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — The Jacksonville Sheriff's Office published body camera video of an officer involved shooting Friday afternoon.
First Coast News reported in April an officer shot and killed 43-year-old Kevin Mahan. JSO was initially called to the 7200 block of Morse Avenue, on the city's Westside, for a person described as mentally ill.
The video shows the moments before the officer shot Mahan, the actual shooting and the aftermath.
"Put the hatchet down!" the officer can be heard in the video yelling commands at Mahan.
"Listen man, don't..."
"Put the ax down!" the officer shouted.
The officer can be heard telling Mahan to put the ax down four times.
Mahan can be heard saying "man, listen bro..." and then the officer shoots him in the head. Then-chief TK Waters said that Mahan stood up and raised the ax. The policeman fired one shot and killed Mahan at the scene.
Former JSO Police Detective, Kim Varner, reviewed the video and told First Coast News the officer was quick to shoot Mahan.
"I'll speak just for me. I can't speak for that officer and why he did what he did," Varner said, who has nearly 30 years being with JSO. "If it was me I would've held him at bay until I had some backup arrive."
Varner said he's been involved in officer involved shootings before. Considering the man in the video was described to be mentally ill, Varner said he would've tried talking the Mahan down to put down the ax.
"Why not try and talk to the guy? 'Drop the axe' ain't talking to him," Varner added.
JSO has not identified the officer because he requested to be under Marsy's law. A police official said the officer is back to work and no longer on administrative leave. However, the investigation is ongoing.
This guy looks like he's chopping wood to me. Half of the US population claim they have mental health issues? Should Police go around shooting them? (OK I get it he holds a "weapon" of sorts but still)
Yes. Plenty of YT videos of cops shooting people in split second decisions. Some justified, others poor training/rookie cop.
There is a rule called the 21 ft rule (6.5m) where it'll take a second or two for an attacker to close the gap. Good luck getting a shot off at a moving target. That is why the officer isn't interested in a conversation at the moment. It's a gamble not worth taking. Backup isn't on scene, axe wounds suck to first aid (by yourself). Guy has a long history of violence.
Homie should have dropped the axe.
The cop drew his gun when he was 100 feet away, started yelling at the guy from 50 feet away, and deliberately closed to 10 feet so he could invoke the 21 foot rule. He could have stayed away and yelled commands from a distance, but then he wouldn't have had the excuse to kill.
Chased? You mean, walked onto his property uninvited?
Regardless you say? A police officer's authority is not absolute as you have implied. Also, can you keep your fucking story straight? Just abandoning that "chased" narrative aren't you?
From the video, I can see neither that the guy was "crazed" nor that he was "chased down". For all I can tell, the cops trespassed on some guys property and gunned him down. In any case, the cop wouldn't have gone that close to him if he posed a real threat. He would have shot him from 50 or 100 feet away.
It doesn't mean he could have legally shot without gaming the 21 foot rule.
no scope!
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Known dangerous felon, and at that distance he could close the gap in seconds enough to hit the officer.
Did you even watch the video, or are you just Quoting their legal defense?
Did you even watch the video, or are you just Quoting their legal defense?
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Wow that's great buddy. So stopping a hatched from being throne, is not the same thing from the action of a hatchet being thrown? I'm sorry, that might be to simple a logic for you to understand.
I see a man holding up a hatched showing it to an enraged officer rushing towards him with his gun out, escalating a confrontation, and looking for any excuse to pull his trigger while aiming exclusively for the head.
Hey you know what? You have chosen for 3 days to not deal with this information, despite me repeatably linking to it. So, I will post it here, and see if your reading comprehension kicks in. You retard.
I was almost sick when I watched the video. Is this like common practice in the US?
I found some background to this on YouTube.
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — The Jacksonville Sheriff's Office published body camera video of an officer involved shooting Friday afternoon.
First Coast News reported in April an officer shot and killed 43-year-old Kevin Mahan. JSO was initially called to the 7200 block of Morse Avenue, on the city's Westside, for a person described as mentally ill.
The video shows the moments before the officer shot Mahan, the actual shooting and the aftermath.
"Put the hatchet down!" the officer can be heard in the video yelling commands at Mahan.
"Listen man, don't..."
"Put the ax down!" the officer shouted.
The officer can be heard telling Mahan to put the ax down four times.
Mahan can be heard saying "man, listen bro..." and then the officer shoots him in the head. Then-chief TK Waters said that Mahan stood up and raised the ax. The policeman fired one shot and killed Mahan at the scene.
Former JSO Police Detective, Kim Varner, reviewed the video and told First Coast News the officer was quick to shoot Mahan.
"I'll speak just for me. I can't speak for that officer and why he did what he did," Varner said, who has nearly 30 years being with JSO. "If it was me I would've held him at bay until I had some backup arrive."
Varner said he's been involved in officer involved shootings before. Considering the man in the video was described to be mentally ill, Varner said he would've tried talking the Mahan down to put down the ax.
"Why not try and talk to the guy? 'Drop the axe' ain't talking to him," Varner added.
JSO has not identified the officer because he requested to be under Marsy's law. A police official said the officer is back to work and no longer on administrative leave. However, the investigation is ongoing.
This guy looks like he's chopping wood to me. Half of the US population claim they have mental health issues? Should Police go around shooting them? (OK I get it he holds a "weapon" of sorts but still)
Of course not. You are after all, 'better' than that.
Don't call an officer, "Bro". That will be your last word.
Remember the "Don't taze me, bro" incident. "Bro" is a trigger word for cops.
These people sign up for this shit. Its terrible on both sides.
What should happen is the officer should at least be charged with excessive force, if not murder. Though i suppose there could be extenuating circumstances that might have justified firing with intent to wound - i highly doubt there was cause to shoot with intent to kill (f*ing headshot)
They could have at least fired a warning shot...
Do yourself a favor and educate yourself on defensive gun usage. Anybody advocating for a warning shot should be ignored. They're not a thing. This isn't pedowood where dramatic pauses are necessary to make a viewer feel things. Colion Noir has a recentish video on various defensive gun uses that can land you in prison.
I wasn’t really advocating for warning shots, and i recognize their strategic issues.
It was more an expression of frustration and disbelief. There is very little “defensive” about pointing a gun at someone’s head and then putting a bullet through it when they don’t immediately comply with your demands :(. This act was offensive in every sense of the word, and i for one doubt the officer was in any sort of danger to warrant their actions.