The theory is that if the Earth is curved then the hull would disappear first as the ship goes over the curve. The last thing you'd be able to see is the mast. The curve would be hiding the hull.
If a ship is coming toward you, then according to curved globe theory, the mast would appear first.
Are you saying this is the same for flat earth theory?
Of course you did. As you think It's normal to stalk people on other websites for targeted exclusion and censorship.
It's even more 'normaler' to announce that you are doing so. Because, how would anyone know what you are doing if you don't virtue signal your intentions?
And I checked your history, to make sure that was what you are doing here.
The linked video actually implies crater earth. If all the planets had their own black suns, such as described in the video, then it would both explain our planet, other planets, and our realm being a small habitable zone on that large stationary planet suspended in the liquid like ether of space.
Yeah I perceive the sun going down and perceive there is not more light, which couldn't happen on a Flat Earth.
Go ahead. Watch the boat do the same thing. It disapears over the horizon, then you pull out you zoom camera and bend the earth back, magically seeing tje boat again.
Let me know when you can do that with the sun and I'll take you seriously.
Sure thing, don't believe your own eyes, believe you instead.
Oh but wait, even if we bought into your optical perspective theory, the sun is a giant ball of light and thus would still be visible and lighting up the entire sky at night.
Interesting vid. So one thing I noticed when watching his experiment with spheres is disingenuous. He moves in ways that would not pass as an eclipse. He moves closer and up and pulls away to give that effect.
I tried this experiment myself outta curiosity and found the spheres reacted just as one experiences an actual eclipse.
What also doesn't make sense is the claim that not only is the earth flat but the moon is also. Trying to figure out the logistics on that.
We know everything rotates the sun while spinning. The moon rotates around earth. This is in respect to their size and gravitational pull. Everything is going in circles. Wouldn't it make sense that the shapes of these massive rocks be spherical?
The moon on the other hand is an anomaly. I do believe it's spherical but don't believe it formed here naturally. It's size and lock rotation it has with earth. The perfect position it has relative to eclipses with the sun is near perfection. The fact that the same side faces the earth. It rings hollow when it was struck. The craters have the same depth no matter how big the meteors hit.
Everyone should question everything and not get emotional about these things.
People who start saying "fuck you" or "you're stupid" are people who are diverting because they cannot make concise, logical debates of their own.
Americans get too bitchy over controversial topics instead of just hashing things out intelligently, calmly, collectively, without emotions or ego involved. Have a more inquisitive mind.
When they treat you that way, they aren't really winning the debate. They might also be alienating people who would believe globe theory, but don't like the fact Bill Nye is a pompous faggot.
I have trouble accepting the sun and moon hovering around a flat earth model. That seems odd to me since, visually, the sun rises and sets over the horizon. It doesn't simply move away and become more distant.
Also, some of the moon pictures and moon landing stuff seems sketchy to me. Also their claims about losing the directions / calculations, losing the original footage, etc. Excuses why they can't go back.
I belong here in Conspiracies because I like to question everything. I'm also a contrarian. I take no shame in taking unpopular and contrarian positions.
This is possible because the reason the distant boats cannot be seen without magnification/zoom is due to angular resolution limits. As a result, zooming in allows them to meet or exceed the angular resolution limits of the detector/receiver.
If the boats were “beyond the horizon” it would not be possible to zoom in on them as in the video.
do you actually understand how refractions and mirages work?
Angular resolution limits...hmm, thats a new one for me...
Really? I would have thought you’d encountered it before. It’s a fancy term for a simple thing. We can’t see really tiny things - like let’s say single animal cells or bacteria - without magnification. It has to do with the size and spacing of our receptors, and the “processing” from them. The same thing is true of the boat in your video. It is not that there is something in the way, but that the boat is too small for us to see (aka beyond our angular resolution limit) without magnification (the same as the cells and the bacteria and for the same reasons!).
Yes, actually, this is just fine logic, just using a weird term for focal range.
That’s basically right!
If we can see things that should be "over the curve", then its not possible that a curve is blocking the view.
Thus, the earth cannot be curved and must me flat.
This is where the error lies. The boat in your video isn’t “over the curve” yet. That’s why you can zoom in on it and see it again. When the boat is “over the curve” or some of it is obscured/hidden by that “curve” - zooming in won’t work.
We know that it isn’t a curve/hump/hill of water obscuring the distant ship - but most believe it is due to miseducation.
The observation shown in your video doesn’t depend on a flat or spherical (but effectively flat because of the scale we experience) world.
It’s roughly the measure of the angle difference between the light coming from the top of the object and the bottom of it as it enters the eye/reciever. If that angle is too small, we can’t resolve the image.
Resolution limits too
They are generally one and the same, and caused by the same thing - the physical concentration of light detectors and the method of processing the image.
Or just a pixel thing?
Same thing as the resolution limits above, just a different word.
I would say out of optical range when something is too small to see.
I agree, however the term i used also implies that the object’s light is actually still reaching the observer/detector - it just can’t be resolved into an object due to lack of adequate resolution.
The boat, which is about 5 miles or more out to sea, and still there is visable horizon behind it.
True.
So how could a curve be possible? Its not. Thus, earth must be flat.
In the view of the globe believers, the horizon and its ability to hide distant objects from the bottom up and reveal them from the top down as they approach is the curve.
In both their view, and ours - the boats in this video are not far enough out to be hidden by the horizon (which is itself an optical illusion, as well as the setting/rising phenomena of distant objects interacting with it). That is why we can zoom in and see them. When they are further than that point, and are truly hidden “beyond the horizon” - zooming in will not bring them back.
It is a logical error to assume that the ability for the horizon to obscure distant objects is proof of a globe. Likewise, and for the same reasons, it is also a logical error to assume that observations like this prove it flat.
They are still following politics like democracy is real
The tv/screens are bad for our health :( Especially if you believe what you see on them is true!
Anyway, it is my view that it is up to us who see to help the others - if we can. We’ll have to keep trying! Repetition works on everyone.
Premise : The world is spherical.
Observation : The horizon obscures objects from the bottom up as they recede.
Conclusion : Therefore the world is spherical.
This is circular logic, and hence a logical error - right?
Here is your example, distilled.
Premise : The world is flat.
Observation : I can zoom in on distant ships no longer visible and see the ship and horizon behind them.
Conclusion Therefore the world is flat.
Like the globe believers view, the observation may support the premise - but the conclusion doesn’t (necessarily) follow from it. The conclusion follows from the premise, hence the circular logic.
Furthermore the real trick here is that the ships being zoomed in on in the video are not beyond the horizon yet, they are too close to the observer (for the viewing/weather conditions anyway - we know that the apparent horizon varies in distance with those conditions). If they were obscured (or partially obscured) as in the observation from the globe perspective - then zooming in on them will not unobscure/reveal them.
The reason the boats are no longer visible in your video is NOT because the horizon has obscured them, but because they have (apparently, not actually!) shrunk to be too small to see unaided due to their distance from the observer.
Because the ship can be seen at a distance that is farther than would be possible on a curved earth.
This is surely evidence that something is wrong with the globe model, but different than proving the world flat or spherical. As we know, a die hard believer will just say “refraction” (or some other contrived explanation) and continue to believe the horizon is a fixed edge even when such distant observations are confirmed anyway.
it took me hearing flat earth a lot of times before i actually did the work to research myself. yes, repetition
We were convinced the world was spherical through conditioning by rote from childhood under the guise of education. Undoing that bias takes the same repetition.
For the record, I am someone interested in flat earth theory but still unconvinced and still believe the globe theory to have most consistent evidence. I am always open to new information that might convince me to change my mind.
The theory is that if the Earth is curved then the hull would disappear first as the ship goes over the curve. The last thing you'd be able to see is the mast. The curve would be hiding the hull.
If a ship is coming toward you, then according to curved globe theory, the mast would appear first.
Are you saying this is the same for flat earth theory?
I signed in just to deport you and the two morons you brought with you.
The guy should debate you, not report you.
Learn to read I said deport, i.e. blocked from me having to witness your collective retardations.
Pretty charitable of you to not just assume they're sock puppets.
If you tickle em just right the bot handlers come out in droves.
The emotionally charged hate for flat earth seems like NPC programming, lets me know the earth is flat
How about a fucking argument? All OP posted was a fucking telephoto lense and some of the most pixelated smegma since 1999.
Of course you did. As you think It's normal to stalk people on other websites for targeted exclusion and censorship.
It's even more 'normaler' to announce that you are doing so. Because, how would anyone know what you are doing if you don't virtue signal your intentions?
And I checked your history, to make sure that was what you are doing here.
https://communities.win/u/DrNutterButter/?type=post
Color me surprised, 😬😬😬.
Eat a bag of dicks. How's that for vitue signalling?
You are no Patriot.
You're not even going to provide any math? Pretty pathetic, even for a flat earth post
i know how it works.
earth is a flat plane
The curvature would be highly reduced on a larger globe. Say, one where we have no access to 90% of the actual surface area.
If it's not obvious, I offer you this:
The Lost History Of The Flat Earth:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/QetnEQ2pszMr/
The linked video actually implies crater earth. If all the planets had their own black suns, such as described in the video, then it would both explain our planet, other planets, and our realm being a small habitable zone on that large stationary planet suspended in the liquid like ether of space.
Distance to the boats? They don't look far enough away for it to matter
The sun sets, but boats don't?
Yeah I perceive the sun going down and perceive there is not more light, which couldn't happen on a Flat Earth.
Let me know when you can do that with the sun and I'll take you seriously.
"Laws of optical perspective" I hope you pretty cause u dumb as bricks.
Sure thing, don't believe your own eyes, believe you instead.
Oh but wait, even if we bought into your optical perspective theory, the sun is a giant ball of light and thus would still be visible and lighting up the entire sky at night.
Great then the sun sets and goes below the horizon.
When light gets blocked by particles it doesn't look like a sunset.
I just watched a beautiful luner eclipse this morning with my scope.
Interesting vid. So one thing I noticed when watching his experiment with spheres is disingenuous. He moves in ways that would not pass as an eclipse. He moves closer and up and pulls away to give that effect.
I tried this experiment myself outta curiosity and found the spheres reacted just as one experiences an actual eclipse.
What also doesn't make sense is the claim that not only is the earth flat but the moon is also. Trying to figure out the logistics on that.
How do expect its shape to be a disk?
We know everything rotates the sun while spinning. The moon rotates around earth. This is in respect to their size and gravitational pull. Everything is going in circles. Wouldn't it make sense that the shapes of these massive rocks be spherical?
The moon on the other hand is an anomaly. I do believe it's spherical but don't believe it formed here naturally. It's size and lock rotation it has with earth. The perfect position it has relative to eclipses with the sun is near perfection. The fact that the same side faces the earth. It rings hollow when it was struck. The craters have the same depth no matter how big the meteors hit.
That thing is perfect for surveillance ;)
don't know why the flat-earth hate. it's worth looking at just to challenge & justify one's own assumptions.
Posting a 10 second video with no questions, no statements and no context, does equate to a challenge or require anything but mockery and disdain.
Another fucking flat earth post?
Fuck outta hear... Only thing flat is OP's Neanderthal forehead.
Keep posting!.. were all entitled to our own opinions..m fact or fiction for this matter.
Everyone should question everything and not get emotional about these things.
People who start saying "fuck you" or "you're stupid" are people who are diverting because they cannot make concise, logical debates of their own.
Americans get too bitchy over controversial topics instead of just hashing things out intelligently, calmly, collectively, without emotions or ego involved. Have a more inquisitive mind.
When they treat you that way, they aren't really winning the debate. They might also be alienating people who would believe globe theory, but don't like the fact Bill Nye is a pompous faggot.
I have trouble accepting the sun and moon hovering around a flat earth model. That seems odd to me since, visually, the sun rises and sets over the horizon. It doesn't simply move away and become more distant.
Also, some of the moon pictures and moon landing stuff seems sketchy to me. Also their claims about losing the directions / calculations, losing the original footage, etc. Excuses why they can't go back.
I belong here in Conspiracies because I like to question everything. I'm also a contrarian. I take no shame in taking unpopular and contrarian positions.
This is possible because the reason the distant boats cannot be seen without magnification/zoom is due to angular resolution limits. As a result, zooming in allows them to meet or exceed the angular resolution limits of the detector/receiver.
If the boats were “beyond the horizon” it would not be possible to zoom in on them as in the video.
I think so, yes.
Really? I would have thought you’d encountered it before. It’s a fancy term for a simple thing. We can’t see really tiny things - like let’s say single animal cells or bacteria - without magnification. It has to do with the size and spacing of our receptors, and the “processing” from them. The same thing is true of the boat in your video. It is not that there is something in the way, but that the boat is too small for us to see (aka beyond our angular resolution limit) without magnification (the same as the cells and the bacteria and for the same reasons!).
That’s basically right!
This is where the error lies. The boat in your video isn’t “over the curve” yet. That’s why you can zoom in on it and see it again. When the boat is “over the curve” or some of it is obscured/hidden by that “curve” - zooming in won’t work.
We know that it isn’t a curve/hump/hill of water obscuring the distant ship - but most believe it is due to miseducation.
The observation shown in your video doesn’t depend on a flat or spherical (but effectively flat because of the scale we experience) world.
It’s roughly the measure of the angle difference between the light coming from the top of the object and the bottom of it as it enters the eye/reciever. If that angle is too small, we can’t resolve the image.
They are generally one and the same, and caused by the same thing - the physical concentration of light detectors and the method of processing the image.
Same thing as the resolution limits above, just a different word.
I agree, however the term i used also implies that the object’s light is actually still reaching the observer/detector - it just can’t be resolved into an object due to lack of adequate resolution.
True.
In the view of the globe believers, the horizon and its ability to hide distant objects from the bottom up and reveal them from the top down as they approach is the curve.
In both their view, and ours - the boats in this video are not far enough out to be hidden by the horizon (which is itself an optical illusion, as well as the setting/rising phenomena of distant objects interacting with it). That is why we can zoom in and see them. When they are further than that point, and are truly hidden “beyond the horizon” - zooming in will not bring them back.
It is a logical error to assume that the ability for the horizon to obscure distant objects is proof of a globe. Likewise, and for the same reasons, it is also a logical error to assume that observations like this prove it flat.
The tv/screens are bad for our health :( Especially if you believe what you see on them is true!
Anyway, it is my view that it is up to us who see to help the others - if we can. We’ll have to keep trying! Repetition works on everyone.
I’ll try to distill it.
In the case of the globe perspective :
Premise : The world is spherical.
Observation : The horizon obscures objects from the bottom up as they recede.
Conclusion : Therefore the world is spherical.
This is circular logic, and hence a logical error - right?
Here is your example, distilled.
Premise : The world is flat.
Observation : I can zoom in on distant ships no longer visible and see the ship and horizon behind them.
Conclusion Therefore the world is flat.
Like the globe believers view, the observation may support the premise - but the conclusion doesn’t (necessarily) follow from it. The conclusion follows from the premise, hence the circular logic.
Furthermore the real trick here is that the ships being zoomed in on in the video are not beyond the horizon yet, they are too close to the observer (for the viewing/weather conditions anyway - we know that the apparent horizon varies in distance with those conditions). If they were obscured (or partially obscured) as in the observation from the globe perspective - then zooming in on them will not unobscure/reveal them.
The reason the boats are no longer visible in your video is NOT because the horizon has obscured them, but because they have (apparently, not actually!) shrunk to be too small to see unaided due to their distance from the observer.
This is surely evidence that something is wrong with the globe model, but different than proving the world flat or spherical. As we know, a die hard believer will just say “refraction” (or some other contrived explanation) and continue to believe the horizon is a fixed edge even when such distant observations are confirmed anyway.
We were convinced the world was spherical through conditioning by rote from childhood under the guise of education. Undoing that bias takes the same repetition.
Did this guy seriously just zoom out until the boat was too small for the camera to register? That's the proof, huh?
Good one...
Edit: You can totally see the curve in the video, lol
I'm assuming that ship is only about a mile away.
So I don't think this is really proving anything.
For the record, I am someone interested in flat earth theory but still unconvinced and still believe the globe theory to have most consistent evidence. I am always open to new information that might convince me to change my mind.