Seriously? :))) As far as I know, West still buying food even from that evil Russia they are in war with. What food West could sell to China, if West have no enough food and have to buy food even from enemy?
I won’t even bother saying a market
And what China receving in exchange? Fiat money backed with nothing and printed without any limits? Why do you think that China still really interested in USD/EUR after all world got a undeniable proof that USD/EUR is unreliable and at any time anybody could loose all his USD/EUR shit, just because some faggot in USA didn't like that you don't teach you kids to change gender and fuck into the butt?
West itself killed one thing that could win China attention - reserve currency. Because China could by all it need for that currency. Today, China clearly see, that it can't buy Russian steel, gas, oil, aluminium, whatever for that "reserve currency". Russia did not need it. Tomorrow, some Argentina will not be allowed to use that "reserve currency", than India, and so on.
So, a single stupid thing of reserve currency owners already kill that "Western market".
West have nothing to offer for China. Absolutely nothing.
China don't need your paper to buy food anymore. Yuans, Roubles, Argentinian peso, Iranian reals, and so on much more preferrable for buying food now.
If you somehow was chilling in some refrigerator and missed what happened in the world, than, I have bad news for you. USD/EUR fucked up. Completely. Point of no return already passed, and you can't ungrind forcemeat back into the decent steak.
Thanks for admitting you know nothing about global shipping.
Global shipping could perfectly exist without any shitty London scammers with their insurances and other shit. It could perfectly exist without West at all. Why do you think that people of Earth will not find a new solutions for any possible problems if West will disappear from global shipping?
Oh, just like the Yuan?
No. There is huge difference - Yuan was never used as weapon. So, despite being fiat, just like any other currency in the world, it was not used to force somebody to eat barbeque with chineese sticks. May be just yet. Or may me Chineese are smart enough to not destroy their currency.
Because a billion of them will starve to death otherwise.
Chineese eat paper and bits in western banks computers? Hardly. I think they eat plants, fish, meat and seafood. JFYI, f.e. China import 24% of beef from mostly from Brasil, Argentina, Urugway, Australia and New Zealand. And those kind of Western countries, Australia and New Zeland are already not a top exporters as they were in the past, Brasil and Argentina outbeat them few years ago. China began to buy beef from Russia, reducing Australia and New Zeland part even more.
Yes. But that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with China’s ability to be independent of a global financial market.
Global financial market is a scam and should be completely destroyed for the sake of humanity survival. All who played and cheated on that "market", all that brokers and traders should hang on the lightpoles.
There should be global commodities market, where only manufacturers and consumers should be allowed to trade and each deal should be closed only after physical shift of commodity from seller to buyer. No any small-hat dicks who sell each other nothing for billions playing on self-inflicted instability.
All that imbecile jewish "financial" scam should fuck off, and when all that stock tossing scammers with their fucking swindle will think that they comletely fucked off, they should continue to fuck off further until they fuck off to the infinity.
You’re way more optimistic than me.
I'm not optimistic, I'm just engineer. I know how things work. :)
Global shipping could perfectly exist without any shitty London scammers with their insurances and other shit.
Sure.
It could perfectly exist without West at all.
Nope.
Why do you think that people of Earth will not find a new solutions for any possible problems if West will disappear from global shipping?
Because “the people of Earth” who are not westerners NEVER INVENTED A SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF THE TECHNOLOGIES REQUIRED TO MANAGE OR PERFORM THE SHIPPING. Their “solutions” will be to return to pre-colonial, pre-industrial economic methods, have their populations collapse due to starvation, and return to an era of warlordism.
No. There is huge difference - Yuan was never used as weapon.
lol
Or may me Chineese are smart enough to not destroy their currency.
Look at their housing market and tell me that again with a straight face.
Chineese eat paper and bits in western banks computers? Hardly. I think they eat plants, fish, meat and seafood.
Enjoy watching them starve, then.
JFYI, f.e. China import 24% of beef from mostly from Brasil, Argentina, Urugway, Australia and New Zealand.
Global financial market is a scam and should be completely destroyed for the sake of humanity survival. All who played and cheated on that "market", all that brokers and traders should hang on the lightpoles.
Absolutely correct.
There should be global commodities market, where only manufacturers and consumers should be allowed to trade and each deal should be closed only after physical shift of commodity from seller to buyer.
Absolutely correct.
But the point I’m making is that China needs a market to sell finished goods, and a market to buy food to make the goods in the first place, just as the West needs a market to buy rare earth metals from places it doesn’t currently own, etc. “A global means of trade” is what I mean when I say “a global market.”
Because “the people of Earth” who are not westerners NEVER INVENTED A SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF THE TECHNOLOGIES REQUIRED TO MANAGE OR PERFORM THE SHIPPING. Their “solutions” will be to return to pre-colonial, pre-industrial economic methods, have their populations collapse due to starvation, and return to an era of warlordism.
In any case, West have no any "economic methods" that are not a robbery of the world by small-hats.
So, at least, Western robbery will be stopped. It is already enough.
lol
Name me a single case, when China denied to sell something for Yuans to anybody.
Cut out the whole of the West and China loses half its food imports.
Only Western countries China import beef from are Australia and New Zeland. China does not import beef from any other Western countries at all. Australia and New Zeland is already less than 30% of China beef import and it is just 7% of total China beef consumption. Even if China stop buying beef from Australia and New Zeland and for some strange reason will not compensate that part from other countries, that 7% hardly will cause any starving.
Name me any food, that China mostly imports from West and show that food share in whole food consumption.
May be truffles? That French delicacy.... Oh, no, China export them! $270M export vs $12M import in 2021. Even fucking truffles.
And unfortunately your link does not provide info after 2017. As you should know, many things changed since.
China needs a market to sell finished goods, and a market to buy food to make the goods in the first place
That market is already on the way. China sell a lot of stuff to a non-Western countries, and buy a lot of food from non-Western countries. The problem is that, say, Chilie farmer want to exchange Huawei smartphone to the corresponding amount of beef, but the rate of Chilean peso is skewed by USD, and Yuan skewed to USD too. And both, Chilie and China central banks are ordered by IMF to trade only in USD. Add to that IMF influence on economic in whole. So, Chilean beef is too expensive for China and Huawei smartphone is too expensive for Chilean farmer.
Now they both need either to get rid of IMF and began direct trade in their local currencies, or to establish each other banks in their countries and do the same, but without real international transfers of peso and yuan. For some reason, getting rid of IMF is kind of taboo. So, f.e. to trade in roubles and yuans, China banks opened branches of China banks in Russia and Russia opened branches in China. If some Russian seller want to sell something for roubles to China, China buyer transfer roubles (say, received as payment for selling some China goods in Russia) from Russian branch of China bank to account of seller in Russian bank. So, the roubles does not cross border during trade. Same with selling and buying for yuans, and same for China seller trading with Russia. Kind of workaround against IMF taboo on abroad trade in local currencies except USD/EUR. There is no even exchange of roubles to yuans and back happens, only local transfers.
AFAIK, IMF is even participating in creating "new reserve currency", so hardly something significantly better than just another fiat reserve currency will be born as replacement of USD, but for now, that cheating schemes of crossborder trade in local currencies works perfectly and solves all possible problems. I don't even see any reasons to use future BRICS or USD fiat reserve currency. So, may be at some point BRICS will throw out IMF and its cabal from that project, may be not. But indeed, it is already obvious that USD/EUR suddenly just become unnecessary and foreign trade perfectly works without any reserve currency at all.
PS: In any case, whatever you think about me and my argumentation, I think we having a good talk.
Seriously? :))) As far as I know, West still buying food even from that evil Russia they are in war with. What food West could sell to China, if West have no enough food and have to buy food even from enemy?
And what China receving in exchange? Fiat money backed with nothing and printed without any limits? Why do you think that China still really interested in USD/EUR after all world got a undeniable proof that USD/EUR is unreliable and at any time anybody could loose all his USD/EUR shit, just because some faggot in USA didn't like that you don't teach you kids to change gender and fuck into the butt?
West itself killed one thing that could win China attention - reserve currency. Because China could by all it need for that currency. Today, China clearly see, that it can't buy Russian steel, gas, oil, aluminium, whatever for that "reserve currency". Russia did not need it. Tomorrow, some Argentina will not be allowed to use that "reserve currency", than India, and so on.
So, a single stupid thing of reserve currency owners already kill that "Western market".
West have nothing to offer for China. Absolutely nothing.
China don't need your paper to buy food anymore. Yuans, Roubles, Argentinian peso, Iranian reals, and so on much more preferrable for buying food now.
If you somehow was chilling in some refrigerator and missed what happened in the world, than, I have bad news for you. USD/EUR fucked up. Completely. Point of no return already passed, and you can't ungrind forcemeat back into the decent steak.
Thanks for admitting you know nothing about global shipping.
thanks for admitting you know nothing about global finance, too.
Oh, just like the Yuan?
Because a billion of them will starve to death otherwise.
Okay, enjoy watching your pet chinks literally eat each other when they can’t get food from the West.
They do, yeah.
Except those can’t get China enough food.
Yes. But that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with China’s ability to be independent of a global financial market.
You’re way more optimistic than me.
Global shipping could perfectly exist without any shitty London scammers with their insurances and other shit. It could perfectly exist without West at all. Why do you think that people of Earth will not find a new solutions for any possible problems if West will disappear from global shipping?
No. There is huge difference - Yuan was never used as weapon. So, despite being fiat, just like any other currency in the world, it was not used to force somebody to eat barbeque with chineese sticks. May be just yet. Or may me Chineese are smart enough to not destroy their currency.
Chineese eat paper and bits in western banks computers? Hardly. I think they eat plants, fish, meat and seafood. JFYI, f.e. China import 24% of beef from mostly from Brasil, Argentina, Urugway, Australia and New Zealand. And those kind of Western countries, Australia and New Zeland are already not a top exporters as they were in the past, Brasil and Argentina outbeat them few years ago. China began to buy beef from Russia, reducing Australia and New Zeland part even more.
Global financial market is a scam and should be completely destroyed for the sake of humanity survival. All who played and cheated on that "market", all that brokers and traders should hang on the lightpoles.
There should be global commodities market, where only manufacturers and consumers should be allowed to trade and each deal should be closed only after physical shift of commodity from seller to buyer. No any small-hat dicks who sell each other nothing for billions playing on self-inflicted instability.
All that imbecile jewish "financial" scam should fuck off, and when all that stock tossing scammers with their fucking swindle will think that they comletely fucked off, they should continue to fuck off further until they fuck off to the infinity.
I'm not optimistic, I'm just engineer. I know how things work. :)
Sure.
Nope.
Because “the people of Earth” who are not westerners NEVER INVENTED A SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF THE TECHNOLOGIES REQUIRED TO MANAGE OR PERFORM THE SHIPPING. Their “solutions” will be to return to pre-colonial, pre-industrial economic methods, have their populations collapse due to starvation, and return to an era of warlordism.
lol
Look at their housing market and tell me that again with a straight face.
Enjoy watching them starve, then.
Cut out the whole of the West and China loses half its food imports.
Absolutely correct.
Absolutely correct.
But the point I’m making is that China needs a market to sell finished goods, and a market to buy food to make the goods in the first place, just as the West needs a market to buy rare earth metals from places it doesn’t currently own, etc. “A global means of trade” is what I mean when I say “a global market.”
In any case, West have no any "economic methods" that are not a robbery of the world by small-hats.
So, at least, Western robbery will be stopped. It is already enough.
Name me a single case, when China denied to sell something for Yuans to anybody.
Only Western countries China import beef from are Australia and New Zeland. China does not import beef from any other Western countries at all. Australia and New Zeland is already less than 30% of China beef import and it is just 7% of total China beef consumption. Even if China stop buying beef from Australia and New Zeland and for some strange reason will not compensate that part from other countries, that 7% hardly will cause any starving.
Name me any food, that China mostly imports from West and show that food share in whole food consumption.
May be truffles? That French delicacy.... Oh, no, China export them! $270M export vs $12M import in 2021. Even fucking truffles.
And unfortunately your link does not provide info after 2017. As you should know, many things changed since.
That market is already on the way. China sell a lot of stuff to a non-Western countries, and buy a lot of food from non-Western countries. The problem is that, say, Chilie farmer want to exchange Huawei smartphone to the corresponding amount of beef, but the rate of Chilean peso is skewed by USD, and Yuan skewed to USD too. And both, Chilie and China central banks are ordered by IMF to trade only in USD. Add to that IMF influence on economic in whole. So, Chilean beef is too expensive for China and Huawei smartphone is too expensive for Chilean farmer.
Now they both need either to get rid of IMF and began direct trade in their local currencies, or to establish each other banks in their countries and do the same, but without real international transfers of peso and yuan. For some reason, getting rid of IMF is kind of taboo. So, f.e. to trade in roubles and yuans, China banks opened branches of China banks in Russia and Russia opened branches in China. If some Russian seller want to sell something for roubles to China, China buyer transfer roubles (say, received as payment for selling some China goods in Russia) from Russian branch of China bank to account of seller in Russian bank. So, the roubles does not cross border during trade. Same with selling and buying for yuans, and same for China seller trading with Russia. Kind of workaround against IMF taboo on abroad trade in local currencies except USD/EUR. There is no even exchange of roubles to yuans and back happens, only local transfers.
AFAIK, IMF is even participating in creating "new reserve currency", so hardly something significantly better than just another fiat reserve currency will be born as replacement of USD, but for now, that cheating schemes of crossborder trade in local currencies works perfectly and solves all possible problems. I don't even see any reasons to use future BRICS or USD fiat reserve currency. So, may be at some point BRICS will throw out IMF and its cabal from that project, may be not. But indeed, it is already obvious that USD/EUR suddenly just become unnecessary and foreign trade perfectly works without any reserve currency at all.
PS: In any case, whatever you think about me and my argumentation, I think we having a good talk.