Thanks for admitting you know nothing about global shipping.
Global shipping could perfectly exist without any shitty London scammers with their insurances and other shit. It could perfectly exist without West at all. Why do you think that people of Earth will not find a new solutions for any possible problems if West will disappear from global shipping?
Oh, just like the Yuan?
No. There is huge difference - Yuan was never used as weapon. So, despite being fiat, just like any other currency in the world, it was not used to force somebody to eat barbeque with chineese sticks. May be just yet. Or may me Chineese are smart enough to not destroy their currency.
Because a billion of them will starve to death otherwise.
Chineese eat paper and bits in western banks computers? Hardly. I think they eat plants, fish, meat and seafood. JFYI, f.e. China import 24% of beef from mostly from Brasil, Argentina, Urugway, Australia and New Zealand. And those kind of Western countries, Australia and New Zeland are already not a top exporters as they were in the past, Brasil and Argentina outbeat them few years ago. China began to buy beef from Russia, reducing Australia and New Zeland part even more.
Yes. But that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with China’s ability to be independent of a global financial market.
Global financial market is a scam and should be completely destroyed for the sake of humanity survival. All who played and cheated on that "market", all that brokers and traders should hang on the lightpoles.
There should be global commodities market, where only manufacturers and consumers should be allowed to trade and each deal should be closed only after physical shift of commodity from seller to buyer. No any small-hat dicks who sell each other nothing for billions playing on self-inflicted instability.
All that imbecile jewish "financial" scam should fuck off, and when all that stock tossing scammers with their fucking swindle will think that they comletely fucked off, they should continue to fuck off further until they fuck off to the infinity.
You’re way more optimistic than me.
I'm not optimistic, I'm just engineer. I know how things work. :)
Global shipping could perfectly exist without any shitty London scammers with their insurances and other shit.
Sure.
It could perfectly exist without West at all.
Nope.
Why do you think that people of Earth will not find a new solutions for any possible problems if West will disappear from global shipping?
Because “the people of Earth” who are not westerners NEVER INVENTED A SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF THE TECHNOLOGIES REQUIRED TO MANAGE OR PERFORM THE SHIPPING. Their “solutions” will be to return to pre-colonial, pre-industrial economic methods, have their populations collapse due to starvation, and return to an era of warlordism.
No. There is huge difference - Yuan was never used as weapon.
lol
Or may me Chineese are smart enough to not destroy their currency.
Look at their housing market and tell me that again with a straight face.
Chineese eat paper and bits in western banks computers? Hardly. I think they eat plants, fish, meat and seafood.
Enjoy watching them starve, then.
JFYI, f.e. China import 24% of beef from mostly from Brasil, Argentina, Urugway, Australia and New Zealand.
Global financial market is a scam and should be completely destroyed for the sake of humanity survival. All who played and cheated on that "market", all that brokers and traders should hang on the lightpoles.
Absolutely correct.
There should be global commodities market, where only manufacturers and consumers should be allowed to trade and each deal should be closed only after physical shift of commodity from seller to buyer.
Absolutely correct.
But the point I’m making is that China needs a market to sell finished goods, and a market to buy food to make the goods in the first place, just as the West needs a market to buy rare earth metals from places it doesn’t currently own, etc. “A global means of trade” is what I mean when I say “a global market.”
Because “the people of Earth” who are not westerners NEVER INVENTED A SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF THE TECHNOLOGIES REQUIRED TO MANAGE OR PERFORM THE SHIPPING. Their “solutions” will be to return to pre-colonial, pre-industrial economic methods, have their populations collapse due to starvation, and return to an era of warlordism.
In any case, West have no any "economic methods" that are not a robbery of the world by small-hats.
So, at least, Western robbery will be stopped. It is already enough.
lol
Name me a single case, when China denied to sell something for Yuans to anybody.
Cut out the whole of the West and China loses half its food imports.
Only Western countries China import beef from are Australia and New Zeland. China does not import beef from any other Western countries at all. Australia and New Zeland is already less than 30% of China beef import and it is just 7% of total China beef consumption. Even if China stop buying beef from Australia and New Zeland and for some strange reason will not compensate that part from other countries, that 7% hardly will cause any starving.
Name me any food, that China mostly imports from West and show that food share in whole food consumption.
May be truffles? That French delicacy.... Oh, no, China export them! $270M export vs $12M import in 2021. Even fucking truffles.
And unfortunately your link does not provide info after 2017. As you should know, many things changed since.
China needs a market to sell finished goods, and a market to buy food to make the goods in the first place
That market is already on the way. China sell a lot of stuff to a non-Western countries, and buy a lot of food from non-Western countries. The problem is that, say, Chilie farmer want to exchange Huawei smartphone to the corresponding amount of beef, but the rate of Chilean peso is skewed by USD, and Yuan skewed to USD too. And both, Chilie and China central banks are ordered by IMF to trade only in USD. Add to that IMF influence on economic in whole. So, Chilean beef is too expensive for China and Huawei smartphone is too expensive for Chilean farmer.
Now they both need either to get rid of IMF and began direct trade in their local currencies, or to establish each other banks in their countries and do the same, but without real international transfers of peso and yuan. For some reason, getting rid of IMF is kind of taboo. So, f.e. to trade in roubles and yuans, China banks opened branches of China banks in Russia and Russia opened branches in China. If some Russian seller want to sell something for roubles to China, China buyer transfer roubles (say, received as payment for selling some China goods in Russia) from Russian branch of China bank to account of seller in Russian bank. So, the roubles does not cross border during trade. Same with selling and buying for yuans, and same for China seller trading with Russia. Kind of workaround against IMF taboo on abroad trade in local currencies except USD/EUR. There is no even exchange of roubles to yuans and back happens, only local transfers.
AFAIK, IMF is even participating in creating "new reserve currency", so hardly something significantly better than just another fiat reserve currency will be born as replacement of USD, but for now, that cheating schemes of crossborder trade in local currencies works perfectly and solves all possible problems. I don't even see any reasons to use future BRICS or USD fiat reserve currency. So, may be at some point BRICS will throw out IMF and its cabal from that project, may be not. But indeed, it is already obvious that USD/EUR suddenly just become unnecessary and foreign trade perfectly works without any reserve currency at all.
PS: In any case, whatever you think about me and my argumentation, I think we having a good talk.
Name me a single case, when China denied to sell something for Yuans to anybody.
Aren’t they trying (and failing) to do it now? Oil, specifically.
And unfortunately your link does not provide info after 2017.
I know; I hate when corporations stop publishing data.
I think we having a good talk.
I don’t respect China in any way. I don’t trust any numbers that come out of it. Communist nations are physically incapable of telling the truth. As such, I refuse to predicate my beliefs (or behaviors) on numbers I know to be false. That’s the crux of our argument, I think.
But yes, we agree on fundamental issues (such as the extermination of the ZOG and its institutions of power), and I appreciate that your different perspective results in many of the same conclusions on this front. I hope one day, when our respective governments are all hanged in the fucking streets, we can finally come together again and treat the former Soviet bloc as equals among “The West” (meaning the white world, under white cultural norms, and with each of our nations free from foreign, international ownership). As an American, I’ve never understood the (seemingly) artificial animosity between “Europe” and Russia (never called "part of Europe” despite being quite evidently European).
Aren’t they trying (and failing) to do it now? Oil, specifically.
Don't you think that they just don't want to sell oil at all? Not specifically deny payments in yuans from some selected buyer they don't like and selling oil to everybody else without problems like West did.
I don’t respect China in any way.
I respect them for how they grow in short time from poor communist country where people was ready to work for rice meal to the serious power on the stage. They find their superpower and use it in full. Yes, they are not good in inventions, they have very strange attitude to nearly anything, but they find out how to not become world shithole.
I don’t trust any numbers that come out of it
Wise not to trust any numbers coming out from any government, statistic or financial institution. It's like trusting the advertising of some corporation.
All that statistic is an advertising for their masters and to each other - "look, we are doing good!". But even in basics it is bullsit from the beginning. Like in simple example about GDP I provided recently for another user.
your different perspective results in many of the same conclusions on this front.
That is a good sign. If very different approaches gives same conclusion, then, highly probably it is a correct conclusion.
I’ve never understood the (seemingly) artificial animosity between “Europe” and Russia (never called "part of Europe” despite being quite evidently European).
It is a long and strange story. Following is just my simplified view on that thing.
When most European etnicities finally settled in Europe, it turned out that those who become nowdays Europeans choose moderate climate and not very muddy soil. Russians, for whatever reason, choose tough climate and muddy soil but with a lot of space, fresh water, and forests. If you are curious, check weather and soil maps, the boundary of climate, clay content in soil, rivers/lakes and all that stuff. Even looking on real-time weather maps like ventusky.com you could easily find a clear difference and observe, how cold front from somwhere behind Ural just wrap into cyclone right before the Poland and other European states.
But eventually, Europeans find out that along with nasty weather and permanent dirt, Russians got enormous amount of resources nobody knew about.
Add to that differences between Catolicism and Orthodox Christianity, population density differences and so on.
But all that was not the reason for discord. Of course there was some border battles betwen dukes and other ancient shit, as it was regular thing at the time. But nothing really serious.
And here comes jewish question. After duke Svyatoslav complete destroy Khasar Kaganate, that bothered Russians a lot by permanent robbery, population of defeated Judaic state rushed to Europe. At the time when it become obvious that Russia is rich with resources, that Khazarians already penetrate using usury into nearly every European elite. So, instead of fair trading between Western and Eastern Europe jews began to push European elites into unending wars with Russians. Partly in revenge for Khazaria defeat, partly not willing to spend money on what could be taken by force.
And so it goes. Each time, when realtions between Russia and Europe began to improve, some shit always happens without any sensible reason with big losses for both sides. There was times when Russia and USA was allies. During war for independence, Catherine the Great strictly denied Britis King request to help with fleet to defeat rebels, and later even send fleet to protect newborn state from brits to prevent possible serious world war. Washington could have been named Ekaterinburg at some point. :)
Meanwhile in Russia, jews was not allowed to settle in central parts or take any power. They was limited to the so-called "pale of settlement" on the outskirts of Rus or Russian Empire lately. F.e. in modern Ukraine. Odessa and Dnepropetrovsk still are most jewish cities. Only after first revolution (and not that communist one, in October 1917, but bourgeois one in 1917) that pale of settlement for jews was repealed. And shortly, second revolution happened.
IDK, may be if our Sviatoslav would have been more rude and exterminated all that Khazarians, we would live in completely another world now.
Something like that.
It's not that we can't live peacefully, we could and actually did it for centuries, moreover, each time after war relations always stabilised for a realtively long time. As with any physical system, if objects could stay in some balance for a long time, and return to that state after any external influence, then this is their "natural" state, not that temporary mess that was provoked by influence. So it is definitely some external power that provoke discord and wars between us.
Global shipping could perfectly exist without any shitty London scammers with their insurances and other shit. It could perfectly exist without West at all. Why do you think that people of Earth will not find a new solutions for any possible problems if West will disappear from global shipping?
No. There is huge difference - Yuan was never used as weapon. So, despite being fiat, just like any other currency in the world, it was not used to force somebody to eat barbeque with chineese sticks. May be just yet. Or may me Chineese are smart enough to not destroy their currency.
Chineese eat paper and bits in western banks computers? Hardly. I think they eat plants, fish, meat and seafood. JFYI, f.e. China import 24% of beef from mostly from Brasil, Argentina, Urugway, Australia and New Zealand. And those kind of Western countries, Australia and New Zeland are already not a top exporters as they were in the past, Brasil and Argentina outbeat them few years ago. China began to buy beef from Russia, reducing Australia and New Zeland part even more.
Global financial market is a scam and should be completely destroyed for the sake of humanity survival. All who played and cheated on that "market", all that brokers and traders should hang on the lightpoles.
There should be global commodities market, where only manufacturers and consumers should be allowed to trade and each deal should be closed only after physical shift of commodity from seller to buyer. No any small-hat dicks who sell each other nothing for billions playing on self-inflicted instability.
All that imbecile jewish "financial" scam should fuck off, and when all that stock tossing scammers with their fucking swindle will think that they comletely fucked off, they should continue to fuck off further until they fuck off to the infinity.
I'm not optimistic, I'm just engineer. I know how things work. :)
Sure.
Nope.
Because “the people of Earth” who are not westerners NEVER INVENTED A SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF THE TECHNOLOGIES REQUIRED TO MANAGE OR PERFORM THE SHIPPING. Their “solutions” will be to return to pre-colonial, pre-industrial economic methods, have their populations collapse due to starvation, and return to an era of warlordism.
lol
Look at their housing market and tell me that again with a straight face.
Enjoy watching them starve, then.
Cut out the whole of the West and China loses half its food imports.
Absolutely correct.
Absolutely correct.
But the point I’m making is that China needs a market to sell finished goods, and a market to buy food to make the goods in the first place, just as the West needs a market to buy rare earth metals from places it doesn’t currently own, etc. “A global means of trade” is what I mean when I say “a global market.”
In any case, West have no any "economic methods" that are not a robbery of the world by small-hats.
So, at least, Western robbery will be stopped. It is already enough.
Name me a single case, when China denied to sell something for Yuans to anybody.
Only Western countries China import beef from are Australia and New Zeland. China does not import beef from any other Western countries at all. Australia and New Zeland is already less than 30% of China beef import and it is just 7% of total China beef consumption. Even if China stop buying beef from Australia and New Zeland and for some strange reason will not compensate that part from other countries, that 7% hardly will cause any starving.
Name me any food, that China mostly imports from West and show that food share in whole food consumption.
May be truffles? That French delicacy.... Oh, no, China export them! $270M export vs $12M import in 2021. Even fucking truffles.
And unfortunately your link does not provide info after 2017. As you should know, many things changed since.
That market is already on the way. China sell a lot of stuff to a non-Western countries, and buy a lot of food from non-Western countries. The problem is that, say, Chilie farmer want to exchange Huawei smartphone to the corresponding amount of beef, but the rate of Chilean peso is skewed by USD, and Yuan skewed to USD too. And both, Chilie and China central banks are ordered by IMF to trade only in USD. Add to that IMF influence on economic in whole. So, Chilean beef is too expensive for China and Huawei smartphone is too expensive for Chilean farmer.
Now they both need either to get rid of IMF and began direct trade in their local currencies, or to establish each other banks in their countries and do the same, but without real international transfers of peso and yuan. For some reason, getting rid of IMF is kind of taboo. So, f.e. to trade in roubles and yuans, China banks opened branches of China banks in Russia and Russia opened branches in China. If some Russian seller want to sell something for roubles to China, China buyer transfer roubles (say, received as payment for selling some China goods in Russia) from Russian branch of China bank to account of seller in Russian bank. So, the roubles does not cross border during trade. Same with selling and buying for yuans, and same for China seller trading with Russia. Kind of workaround against IMF taboo on abroad trade in local currencies except USD/EUR. There is no even exchange of roubles to yuans and back happens, only local transfers.
AFAIK, IMF is even participating in creating "new reserve currency", so hardly something significantly better than just another fiat reserve currency will be born as replacement of USD, but for now, that cheating schemes of crossborder trade in local currencies works perfectly and solves all possible problems. I don't even see any reasons to use future BRICS or USD fiat reserve currency. So, may be at some point BRICS will throw out IMF and its cabal from that project, may be not. But indeed, it is already obvious that USD/EUR suddenly just become unnecessary and foreign trade perfectly works without any reserve currency at all.
PS: In any case, whatever you think about me and my argumentation, I think we having a good talk.
Aren’t they trying (and failing) to do it now? Oil, specifically.
I know; I hate when corporations stop publishing data.
I don’t respect China in any way. I don’t trust any numbers that come out of it. Communist nations are physically incapable of telling the truth. As such, I refuse to predicate my beliefs (or behaviors) on numbers I know to be false. That’s the crux of our argument, I think.
But yes, we agree on fundamental issues (such as the extermination of the ZOG and its institutions of power), and I appreciate that your different perspective results in many of the same conclusions on this front. I hope one day, when our respective governments are all hanged in the fucking streets, we can finally come together again and treat the former Soviet bloc as equals among “The West” (meaning the white world, under white cultural norms, and with each of our nations free from foreign, international ownership). As an American, I’ve never understood the (seemingly) artificial animosity between “Europe” and Russia (never called "part of Europe” despite being quite evidently European).
No more brother wars, man.
Don't you think that they just don't want to sell oil at all? Not specifically deny payments in yuans from some selected buyer they don't like and selling oil to everybody else without problems like West did.
I respect them for how they grow in short time from poor communist country where people was ready to work for rice meal to the serious power on the stage. They find their superpower and use it in full. Yes, they are not good in inventions, they have very strange attitude to nearly anything, but they find out how to not become world shithole.
Wise not to trust any numbers coming out from any government, statistic or financial institution. It's like trusting the advertising of some corporation.
All that statistic is an advertising for their masters and to each other - "look, we are doing good!". But even in basics it is bullsit from the beginning. Like in simple example about GDP I provided recently for another user.
That is a good sign. If very different approaches gives same conclusion, then, highly probably it is a correct conclusion.
It is a long and strange story. Following is just my simplified view on that thing.
When most European etnicities finally settled in Europe, it turned out that those who become nowdays Europeans choose moderate climate and not very muddy soil. Russians, for whatever reason, choose tough climate and muddy soil but with a lot of space, fresh water, and forests. If you are curious, check weather and soil maps, the boundary of climate, clay content in soil, rivers/lakes and all that stuff. Even looking on real-time weather maps like ventusky.com you could easily find a clear difference and observe, how cold front from somwhere behind Ural just wrap into cyclone right before the Poland and other European states.
But eventually, Europeans find out that along with nasty weather and permanent dirt, Russians got enormous amount of resources nobody knew about.
Add to that differences between Catolicism and Orthodox Christianity, population density differences and so on.
But all that was not the reason for discord. Of course there was some border battles betwen dukes and other ancient shit, as it was regular thing at the time. But nothing really serious.
And here comes jewish question. After duke Svyatoslav complete destroy Khasar Kaganate, that bothered Russians a lot by permanent robbery, population of defeated Judaic state rushed to Europe. At the time when it become obvious that Russia is rich with resources, that Khazarians already penetrate using usury into nearly every European elite. So, instead of fair trading between Western and Eastern Europe jews began to push European elites into unending wars with Russians. Partly in revenge for Khazaria defeat, partly not willing to spend money on what could be taken by force.
And so it goes. Each time, when realtions between Russia and Europe began to improve, some shit always happens without any sensible reason with big losses for both sides. There was times when Russia and USA was allies. During war for independence, Catherine the Great strictly denied Britis King request to help with fleet to defeat rebels, and later even send fleet to protect newborn state from brits to prevent possible serious world war. Washington could have been named Ekaterinburg at some point. :)
Meanwhile in Russia, jews was not allowed to settle in central parts or take any power. They was limited to the so-called "pale of settlement" on the outskirts of Rus or Russian Empire lately. F.e. in modern Ukraine. Odessa and Dnepropetrovsk still are most jewish cities. Only after first revolution (and not that communist one, in October 1917, but bourgeois one in 1917) that pale of settlement for jews was repealed. And shortly, second revolution happened.
IDK, may be if our Sviatoslav would have been more rude and exterminated all that Khazarians, we would live in completely another world now.
Something like that.
It's not that we can't live peacefully, we could and actually did it for centuries, moreover, each time after war relations always stabilised for a realtively long time. As with any physical system, if objects could stay in some balance for a long time, and return to that state after any external influence, then this is their "natural" state, not that temporary mess that was provoked by influence. So it is definitely some external power that provoke discord and wars between us.