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posted 3 years ago by MostlyPeacefulNATO 3 years ago by MostlyPeacefulNATO +4 / -5
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– Mad_King_Kalak 3 points 3 years ago +4 / -1

Not necessarily. I think you have a very poor understanding of Christian theology, which contributes to your offhand denigration of said religion.

Let us being with your premise about being born into sin.

Properly understood, original sin is when our first human ancestors disobeyed God in some way. We were given free will, the capacity to choose evil or good, and we didn't choose good. The fruit of the Tree of Knowledge could be real or allegorical. As a result of this disobedience, humanity has a harder time making its way through a creation that, admittedly, God could have make a paradise.

Because he's merciful, millennia later (what is a few centuries to the creator of the universe that is ancient beyond reckoning) God became man in the person of Jesus. Jesus suffered and died to make up for humanity screwing up. Still, things are still pretty rough, with death and disease and all that, but through suffering, we are built up, like an athlete training for competition.

Do you wish me to continue on about what is necessary for salvation?

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– Thisisnotanexit 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

What is absurd about christian theology? Literally translated it's the logic of God. Is the idea of God logical? If so, what does that mean? And if not, what else could explain it all, systematically?

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– Thisisnotanexit 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

You misunderstand. The begotten son is God Himself and not an offspring. This means in order to reconcile the relationship between God and man, God sacrificed Himself to save you so that you can spend eternity together instead of seperated.

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– the-new-style 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

The Knowledge revealed is of our own death.

Our afterlife is what we do unto others.

We are beholden to every person, animal and plant on whom we rely for sustenance and succor.

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– the-new-style 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Without other people, animals or plants you would be dead.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 1 point 3 years ago +2 / -1

"objectively" lol. The irony of you saying that, while being a sort of gnostic nihilist, is not lost on me. Put down the Nietzsche bro.

Anyway, if you're going to trash the religion, you at least ought understand it enough to trash what it really is, rather than what you think it is. To quote Yoda, "that is why you fail."

That being said, in short: Jesus died for all of humanity. By the grace of God those who don't believe him could possibly by saved by living a moral life as dictated by a property formed conscience, and further, belief alone in Jesus as your savior isn't enough.

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– Thisisnotanexit 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Perhaps you misunderstand salvation with sanctification? All that is needed for salvation (the assurance of your eternal soul having a place set with God forever) is to honestly know Jesus Christ is God in the flesh and when you know Him you know the Father. In conjunction with this you must know you cannot save yourself from fallen nature and thus fallen eternity, God Himself is the only cure! Sanctification is allowing your life to be transformed further into Gods 's image(Jesus). God breathed life into everyone of us and when we come back to Him(salvation), then together, while building a relationship, God's Holy Spirit is working with your heart and mind to think and act more aligned with God's ways (sanctification). To finish it off, when you die and meet the Father, He will complete the work you've both done together and that is what we call glorification.

Post script to avoid misunderstanding; I do not mean to suggest work gets you to heaven, it doesn't, faith in the diety and power of Christ, (His death and ressurection) to save gets you into heaven. The relational work with knowing God better is the logical next step when you love someone and are trying to understand their love for you and I hope everyone to have that with God.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 1 point 3 years ago +2 / -1

I can tell you're a man of good will, so in short I'll just say that the doctrine of justification by faith, which long predates Protestantism, is like promising short cut on a long and grueling walk. But, people have been debating this for a long time, and nothing new is going to said here of all places.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 0 points 3 years ago +2 / -2

I know a lot about you, because you post long esoteric pseudo philosophical and surprisingly personal and emotional ramblings on here that I, to my detriment, have actually read. Does that surprise you?

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