To keep it concise - climate on Earth is governed by two processes - solar radiation and plate tectonics. Both can affect ocean currents - which in turn are the main driver of weather events - and neither is even remotely within human technology. Naturally, neither official side of the "debate" is willing to even mention plate tectonics in the first place, since a lot of discoveries there would render the whole point moot - and thus leave a ton of lawyers, lobbyists and media pundits on both sides in need to look for a real job.
There is. True North is moving. It means the pole is shifting. It has been steadily since recording. Massively speeding up since the millennium. The tectonic plates haven't stop peak activity rapidly increasing in tectonic movement within the last decades. The jetstream has been pushing down and el nino has been increasing. The Northern lights are being observed much farther South than they ever have been.
Explain? Try too.
The obvious explanation outside of a simple phrase pole shift is much harder. Where a combination of solar, geological, and cosmic phenomenon is also causing it. As well as our natural carbon cycles occurring. Where the Earth's magnetic field is also weakening. Outside of any other conspiracy like HAARP, or flathead earth, or simple human activity.
You're denying it due to constantly popping Flat Earth conspiracies. They haven't accounted for much fact, or offer any explanation, towards my opening paragraph.
Where nobody outside of profit has any solution, and there are no real predictions to what actually occurs from it, apart from it possibly causing the worse. It might not be very accurate, but it is obvious we are being affected by it increasingly.
its fairly easy to explain on both a geocentric and heliocentric models.
Heliocentric - the earth stops rotating on a tilted angle causing cooling on both poles, which in turn cools the globe
geocentric - the sun stops traversing the over the lines of Capricorn and cancer and only moves along the equator, this would cause cooling at the center (north pole and antartica (ice wall / barrier) thus cooling the entire plane
either way you look at it, the great winter is coming
Not an easy explanation. Mass effect. Technology advances bringing its reapers, causing a reset. It definitely wasn't singularity, but rather Babel. All that Laarp, and EMR.
No, but probably a combination of rare cosmic conjunctions, orbit, solar activity, geological activity, affecting that magnetism and tilt. There is also a theory how the Earth's core is cooling.
I don't think it can be pinned on just the dumb humans. When the carbon cycle occurs all naturally anyway despite of any peak stupidity.
In that other flathead model, it would have us believe we're inside a snowglobe, and it simply stopped playing its tune. Then when it does, it goes on to the next song, and it rearranges all the spinning baby shapes above our heads.
Who knows what happens except it is also being forced.
I cannot think of anything stupider than hitting an Ice-age with peak electricity and breakables/renewables. I cannot think of anything dumber than getting rid of meat in an ice-age.
But here we are today where it's that dumb they've got rid of almost all skills unless it's using redundant tech in an ice-age.
It means it seriously can't get that stupid. But with humans you never know, they're obviously devolving back to peak neanderthals.
No, you're dumber than cletus the inbred donkey from the back of that barn.
You heard it from another dumb cunt baiting me. He must have been dumber than you, but was your breh or something. Now he's mouthing to all the other inbreds at what a punk he thought he pulled.
Except dumbass, what did I say? Ask Plemethrockyy. But what did I say to you.
once i figure out that dora-da-fuckn explora shiet you jus said to me... OOOOOF, u wait, son. mmmm.
now i dont need chit-chat w/ the con.win grapevine to know you CRACK-LACKA-FLACKA in some back-woods shit. its all over you like a shit-stain cause you soo stupid you wore your undies like some sorta pro-ukrainian national guard that wants a god-damn medal cause he thinks he done figured out how to wear a balaclava.
Lol. That is merely an unscientific belief you were taught under the guise of science. It is also stupid.
The Northern lights are being observed much farther South than they ever have been.
Occasionally. And yet I still haven't seen them with my own eyes :( Perhaps one day.
The magnetic field of the earth has lots of variance - no one has the slightest clue why. The sky is not falling chicken little. Don't fall for the fear porn propaganda!
Where the Earth's magnetic field is also weakening
And increasing!
You're denying it due to constantly popping Flat Earth conspiracies.
There are no "flat earth conspiracies". Humanity requires no conspiracy to be stupid and wrong as it historically always is. The pole shift speculation is both unscientific and stupid.
They haven't accounted for much fact, or offer any explanation, towards my opening paragraph.
I have no idea what you are talking about, but if you want to learn more about flat earth research (not the "flat earth" psyop you seem to have experience with) check out the community I created for its exploration! https://communities.win/c/flatearthresearch. Check the posts there for the explanations you seek or make a post asking questions (or engage in any other way you choose, as long as you are earnest!) I'm typically happy to provide answers to questions when I can!
It might not be very accurate, but it is obvious we are being affected by it increasingly.
It's all nonsense built on the fiction of the geodynamo, which is also unscientific and stupid (look up the curie point).
You're on block. I don't respond to mockery. Words like Lol. I don't need my words repeated back to me either. Where you have explained nothing. Nothing. But you have trolled and provided nonsense. Try again, speaking like a human, not a monkey or a nutter.
So don't then! I wasn't mocking you, just expressing emotion (laughing out loud). Even if I were mocking you, you should be able to ignore that and respond to the other content!
I don't need my words repeated back to me either
You mean when I quoted you in-line and then commented my specific response to your quote? You thought I was repeating things back to you? You know you have a few "hang ups" regarding communication - has anyone ever told you that?
I do it for intelligibility/clarity. It is a major benefit to communication and the only thing reddit ever gave us that was of benefit. You should try it!
Where you have explained nothing. Nothing
As I said, any explanation you want, check the community I created where many of your explanations can already be found, and if it isn't there - post your questions! I'm typically quite happy to answer any question assuming I have the answers!
Try again,
Yes, you should. And you should try to avoid ad hominem. It is the last resort of the intellectually feeble. Attack the thought! Never the thinker! Did you notice how none of my criticisms were directed at you?
Lol was ad hominid. So was your tone. Nonsense. Plain dismissal. Your refusal to even answer. You dumb ape.
I don't need your offered psychology. I didn't ask for your bullshit. I hoped for a rational debate on the subject matter. Not erroneous conjecture. Where you made it personal. You make it personal every time. Hence you're blocked. I don't see your dumb replies. I do when looking back over the page. You are simply a troll.
You offered nothing but blind dismal. As you bombard the page with a response that has answered nothing except for providing a fabrication, where you mock, goad, and troll. But you have offered zero rationality. Nothing topically, not in any answer either, except dumb refusal.
My tone? I verbally attacked you with my tone?! I feel like you might be a little overly sensitive here.
Plain dismissal
Yes. I dismiss stupid ideas that have no basis in science but are presented erroneously/disingenuously under its guise.
Your refusal to even answer
No refusal whatsoever! It's just a longer conversation! Please join me on the community I created to discuss it further! Just ask, and I'm most happy to share my perspective/knowledge with you!
You dumb ape.
This dovetails nicely with the ad hominid line.
I don't need your offered psychology
That's good, I loathe the pseudoscience of psychology. I'm not sure what you are talking about (you didn't quote me! It really is helpful to quote the specific statement I made that you are interpreting as "offered psychology"!) because I offered no psychology.
I hoped for a rational debate on the subject matter.
Sorry, debate is beneath me - I don't engage in stupid games. However, rational discourse is one of my favorite things in the world, and that is what I seek with you and others! Let us not waste breath on debate, but instead discuss - together!
Not erroneous conjecture
Again, please quote me so that I may respond meaningfully. I made no erroneous conjecture. I made plain statements of fact.
You make it personal every time
You may have felt that way, but if you read my words again you will see that I never once made it personal nor directed a single criticism towards you! The criticisms were always directed at your statements. You are not your statements! Your statements (that you were merely repeating, having been taught them - incorrectly - as science) were stupid and unscientific. I am most happy to explain why! Having stupid ideas does not make YOU stupid. We ALL have stupid ideas.
You are simply a troll.
Says the person trolling me currently. Lol. I work hard to be earnest, and I encourage others to do the same.
You offered nothing but blind dismal
Dismissal, absolutely. Blind? No, I see it clearly which is why I know it's stupid and unscientific. If you would like to know what I see and why, please join me on the other community and discuss it!
except for providing a fabrication
Again this statement is too general for me to respond to. I have no idea what you are talking about, or what you interpreted as a "fabrication". Had you only quoted me, I could explain my statements meaning to you. Without that quote, I can only respond that I fabricated nothing, and you seem to be misunderstanding me. Specific criticism of specific statements is a much better way to communicate!
where you mock, goad
Is this about the chicken little line? I assure you that was sincere and out of love. I was not mocking nor goading you. Only trying to "reach" you, and failing miserably! Communication is very hard, and requires tremendous effort from all involved!
But you have offered zero rationality
As I've said repeatedly, I am most happy to provide my reasoning! Because it is a longer discussion and will take some time, and because some of your answers/explanations are already written on the community I created for discussions like this - I suggested we explore them further there!
except dumb refusal
Please quote this "dumb refusal" from me. I have no idea what you are talking about, or referring to. I can only conclude that you are either trolling me, or you have misunderstood something I've said. If you quote what you interpreted as "dumb refusal" , then I can explain what I meant! Without it I can only flatly deny, and that isn't so helpful in communication!
An example of "dumb refusal" would be "No, I am not going to provide any explanation or further detail because I am a monkey who only throws shit at you". What I said was, "I AM going to provide you with explanation and further detail. Please join me on the other community for this more lengthy discussion!"
Read yourself you daft retarded cunt. You have done nothing but troll and mock. You started insults. Calling me chicken little, and stupid, and using LOL. But the funny is at least I learned something in school. Where did you learn. Obviously from your asshole. It has shat all over this page. Where you haven't debated. Nowhere. But you have had the gall to suggest you provide rational debate. It's nowhere. Why would anybody, and I mean anybody want to entertain your win thread. Look how you speak. It is ignorant, it is abusive, it is condescending, it is mocking. It hasn't debated unless it has trolled. Take too much time. What are you doing right now specifically by not answering this topic. You're trolling. It is all you have done. While using ad hominid rhetoric. You used it, read yourself, your opening. We can all hope the sky falls on your flattened head. Because it sure as hell is hitting almost everybody else increasingly today.
You haven't spoke about anything other than jack's shit, trolling, baiting, and goading. But it has nothing to do with this topic. Unless it was in dumb refusal, from opening, and throughout. But Magnetic North moves, because of the snow globe wobbling? You said it. Hilariously dumb after also denying that it didn't. Absolute non stop nonsense. Not once have you made any attempt to answer this topic or thread with anything but your pig stupid blind refusal and believe in Jack's shit. Not once.
Now fuck off back to your bullshit lair with all the other flattened heads.
Man is accelerating the change in climate and the petroleum industry has spent billions lobbying to hide that fact. They know they'll be dead before they suffer the consequences.
To keep it concise - climate on Earth is governed by two processes - solar radiation and plate tectonics. Both can affect ocean currents - which in turn are the main driver of weather events - and neither is even remotely within human technology. Naturally, neither official side of the "debate" is willing to even mention plate tectonics in the first place, since a lot of discoveries there would render the whole point moot - and thus leave a ton of lawyers, lobbyists and media pundits on both sides in need to look for a real job.
dear lord... tail end of your argument went to "shit show in 60 seconds."
its a god damn shame fuckn politicians figga they gonna steer planet earth in the "best interest" of... sec, imma hit my inhaler real quick ...
in the interest of us. oh, fuck. this shit is comedy.
There is no such thing as "pole shift". That is unscientific, unsupported, and stupid.
There is. True North is moving. It means the pole is shifting. It has been steadily since recording. Massively speeding up since the millennium. The tectonic plates haven't stop peak activity rapidly increasing in tectonic movement within the last decades. The jetstream has been pushing down and el nino has been increasing. The Northern lights are being observed much farther South than they ever have been.
Explain? Try too.
The obvious explanation outside of a simple phrase pole shift is much harder. Where a combination of solar, geological, and cosmic phenomenon is also causing it. As well as our natural carbon cycles occurring. Where the Earth's magnetic field is also weakening. Outside of any other conspiracy like HAARP, or flathead earth, or simple human activity.
You're denying it due to constantly popping Flat Earth conspiracies. They haven't accounted for much fact, or offer any explanation, towards my opening paragraph.
Where nobody outside of profit has any solution, and there are no real predictions to what actually occurs from it, apart from it possibly causing the worse. It might not be very accurate, but it is obvious we are being affected by it increasingly.
its fairly easy to explain on both a geocentric and heliocentric models. Heliocentric - the earth stops rotating on a tilted angle causing cooling on both poles, which in turn cools the globe geocentric - the sun stops traversing the over the lines of Capricorn and cancer and only moves along the equator, this would cause cooling at the center (north pole and antartica (ice wall / barrier) thus cooling the entire plane
either way you look at it, the great winter is coming
That is a much better explanation.
But in either case there is rotation.
Why would the Sun suddenly traverse differently, on a geocentric model if not a cause of orbit? And when does it realign, if not by orbit?
tbh im not sure what would cause the change on either scale. my wild guess would be some kind of magnetic field phenomenon
Not an easy explanation. Mass effect. Technology advances bringing its reapers, causing a reset. It definitely wasn't singularity, but rather Babel. All that Laarp, and EMR.
No, but probably a combination of rare cosmic conjunctions, orbit, solar activity, geological activity, affecting that magnetism and tilt. There is also a theory how the Earth's core is cooling.
I don't think it can be pinned on just the dumb humans. When the carbon cycle occurs all naturally anyway despite of any peak stupidity.
In that other flathead model, it would have us believe we're inside a snowglobe, and it simply stopped playing its tune. Then when it does, it goes on to the next song, and it rearranges all the spinning baby shapes above our heads.
yeah this cycle is way beyond our realm of impact
Who knows what happens except it is also being forced.
I cannot think of anything stupider than hitting an Ice-age with peak electricity and breakables/renewables. I cannot think of anything dumber than getting rid of meat in an ice-age.
But here we are today where it's that dumb they've got rid of almost all skills unless it's using redundant tech in an ice-age.
It means it seriously can't get that stupid. But with humans you never know, they're obviously devolving back to peak neanderthals.
breh, i heard youre black. whats up w/ that?
So you're baiting? Because you misunderstood my judgement.
There's nothing up with that.
god... how to say "imma not a white backwoods cracka-fuck" without saying "imma not a white backwoods cracka-fuck."
bro, hug your mom & blow your dad; you need help.
No, you're dumber than cletus the inbred donkey from the back of that barn.
You heard it from another dumb cunt baiting me. He must have been dumber than you, but was your breh or something. Now he's mouthing to all the other inbreds at what a punk he thought he pulled.
Except dumbass, what did I say? Ask Plemethrockyy. But what did I say to you.
bitch... mmm... mmmm...
once i figure out that dora-da-fuckn explora shiet you jus said to me... OOOOOF, u wait, son. mmmm.
now i dont need chit-chat w/ the con.win grapevine to know you CRACK-LACKA-FLACKA in some back-woods shit. its all over you like a shit-stain cause you soo stupid you wore your undies like some sorta pro-ukrainian national guard that wants a god-damn medal cause he thinks he done figured out how to wear a balaclava.
you tiny piece of shit live'n under my shoe.
I am right here waiting. But you're far too stupid. Nigger.
I ain't your son, I ain't your breh. I am nothing to do with anybody like you. You make the dumbest retard look smart.
No, magnetic north shifts (in small ways).
Lol. That is merely an unscientific belief you were taught under the guise of science. It is also stupid.
Occasionally. And yet I still haven't seen them with my own eyes :( Perhaps one day.
The magnetic field of the earth has lots of variance - no one has the slightest clue why. The sky is not falling chicken little. Don't fall for the fear porn propaganda!
And increasing!
There are no "flat earth conspiracies". Humanity requires no conspiracy to be stupid and wrong as it historically always is. The pole shift speculation is both unscientific and stupid.
I have no idea what you are talking about, but if you want to learn more about flat earth research (not the "flat earth" psyop you seem to have experience with) check out the community I created for its exploration! https://communities.win/c/flatearthresearch. Check the posts there for the explanations you seek or make a post asking questions (or engage in any other way you choose, as long as you are earnest!) I'm typically happy to provide answers to questions when I can!
It's all nonsense built on the fiction of the geodynamo, which is also unscientific and stupid (look up the curie point).
You're on block. I don't respond to mockery. Words like Lol. I don't need my words repeated back to me either. Where you have explained nothing. Nothing. But you have trolled and provided nonsense. Try again, speaking like a human, not a monkey or a nutter.
So don't then! I wasn't mocking you, just expressing emotion (laughing out loud). Even if I were mocking you, you should be able to ignore that and respond to the other content!
You mean when I quoted you in-line and then commented my specific response to your quote? You thought I was repeating things back to you? You know you have a few "hang ups" regarding communication - has anyone ever told you that?
I do it for intelligibility/clarity. It is a major benefit to communication and the only thing reddit ever gave us that was of benefit. You should try it!
As I said, any explanation you want, check the community I created where many of your explanations can already be found, and if it isn't there - post your questions! I'm typically quite happy to answer any question assuming I have the answers!
Yes, you should. And you should try to avoid ad hominem. It is the last resort of the intellectually feeble. Attack the thought! Never the thinker! Did you notice how none of my criticisms were directed at you?
Lol was ad hominid. So was your tone. Nonsense. Plain dismissal. Your refusal to even answer. You dumb ape.
I don't need your offered psychology. I didn't ask for your bullshit. I hoped for a rational debate on the subject matter. Not erroneous conjecture. Where you made it personal. You make it personal every time. Hence you're blocked. I don't see your dumb replies. I do when looking back over the page. You are simply a troll.
You offered nothing but blind dismal. As you bombard the page with a response that has answered nothing except for providing a fabrication, where you mock, goad, and troll. But you have offered zero rationality. Nothing topically, not in any answer either, except dumb refusal.
Lol. That's kind of funny.
My tone? I verbally attacked you with my tone?! I feel like you might be a little overly sensitive here.
Yes. I dismiss stupid ideas that have no basis in science but are presented erroneously/disingenuously under its guise.
No refusal whatsoever! It's just a longer conversation! Please join me on the community I created to discuss it further! Just ask, and I'm most happy to share my perspective/knowledge with you!
This dovetails nicely with the ad hominid line.
That's good, I loathe the pseudoscience of psychology. I'm not sure what you are talking about (you didn't quote me! It really is helpful to quote the specific statement I made that you are interpreting as "offered psychology"!) because I offered no psychology.
Sorry, debate is beneath me - I don't engage in stupid games. However, rational discourse is one of my favorite things in the world, and that is what I seek with you and others! Let us not waste breath on debate, but instead discuss - together!
Again, please quote me so that I may respond meaningfully. I made no erroneous conjecture. I made plain statements of fact.
You may have felt that way, but if you read my words again you will see that I never once made it personal nor directed a single criticism towards you! The criticisms were always directed at your statements. You are not your statements! Your statements (that you were merely repeating, having been taught them - incorrectly - as science) were stupid and unscientific. I am most happy to explain why! Having stupid ideas does not make YOU stupid. We ALL have stupid ideas.
Says the person trolling me currently. Lol. I work hard to be earnest, and I encourage others to do the same.
Dismissal, absolutely. Blind? No, I see it clearly which is why I know it's stupid and unscientific. If you would like to know what I see and why, please join me on the other community and discuss it!
Again this statement is too general for me to respond to. I have no idea what you are talking about, or what you interpreted as a "fabrication". Had you only quoted me, I could explain my statements meaning to you. Without that quote, I can only respond that I fabricated nothing, and you seem to be misunderstanding me. Specific criticism of specific statements is a much better way to communicate!
Is this about the chicken little line? I assure you that was sincere and out of love. I was not mocking nor goading you. Only trying to "reach" you, and failing miserably! Communication is very hard, and requires tremendous effort from all involved!
As I've said repeatedly, I am most happy to provide my reasoning! Because it is a longer discussion and will take some time, and because some of your answers/explanations are already written on the community I created for discussions like this - I suggested we explore them further there!
Please quote this "dumb refusal" from me. I have no idea what you are talking about, or referring to. I can only conclude that you are either trolling me, or you have misunderstood something I've said. If you quote what you interpreted as "dumb refusal" , then I can explain what I meant! Without it I can only flatly deny, and that isn't so helpful in communication!
An example of "dumb refusal" would be "No, I am not going to provide any explanation or further detail because I am a monkey who only throws shit at you". What I said was, "I AM going to provide you with explanation and further detail. Please join me on the other community for this more lengthy discussion!"
Read yourself you daft retarded cunt. You have done nothing but troll and mock. You started insults. Calling me chicken little, and stupid, and using LOL. But the funny is at least I learned something in school. Where did you learn. Obviously from your asshole. It has shat all over this page. Where you haven't debated. Nowhere. But you have had the gall to suggest you provide rational debate. It's nowhere. Why would anybody, and I mean anybody want to entertain your win thread. Look how you speak. It is ignorant, it is abusive, it is condescending, it is mocking. It hasn't debated unless it has trolled. Take too much time. What are you doing right now specifically by not answering this topic. You're trolling. It is all you have done. While using ad hominid rhetoric. You used it, read yourself, your opening. We can all hope the sky falls on your flattened head. Because it sure as hell is hitting almost everybody else increasingly today.
You haven't spoke about anything other than jack's shit, trolling, baiting, and goading. But it has nothing to do with this topic. Unless it was in dumb refusal, from opening, and throughout. But Magnetic North moves, because of the snow globe wobbling? You said it. Hilariously dumb after also denying that it didn't. Absolute non stop nonsense. Not once have you made any attempt to answer this topic or thread with anything but your pig stupid blind refusal and believe in Jack's shit. Not once.
Now fuck off back to your bullshit lair with all the other flattened heads.
You have proved how dumb you are.
The climate is changing. It's on a cycle.
The poles are changing. They're on a cycle.
Man is accelerating the change in climate and the petroleum industry has spent billions lobbying to hide that fact. They know they'll be dead before they suffer the consequences.