If you want to explain the best division of Ukraine, you start with maps showing ethnic groups. Some people find such maps and facts offensive. That's why nobody is talking about the logical next steps.
Good observation. I'm not a military expert, so can't comment on feasibility.
We already know Ukraine will be broken up, since the sovereignty of Donetsk and Luhansk is the official line of Russia. In addition, the Russian spy chief did let slip (if you believe it wasn't misdirection) they're going to integrate the breakaway regions into Russia. The region you've highlighted is much bigger however: So not sure if they also plan to conquer and occupy those regions.
I'm still holding CrazyRussian's theory as the best fit theory currently (fits with Putin's WEF affiliation if you believe that. The other option is corner Russia till its only choice is to conquer and assimilate): https://conspiracies.win/p/141rswiosR/x/c/4OUgMspFvaa
Meaning, in the distant future all of Eastern Europe will be part of the Russia (Slavic Union or something). A multi-polar world, and skip the one world government plan (for now). Perhaps their attempts to homogenize the entire world via globalization failed or wasn't considered possible anymore as there was too much resistance to ethnic/cultural mixing.
This explains why Putin could be moving away from the West, the war to grab Ukraine, no intervention from NATO and the sanctions all make sense. They provide the narrative for why Russia to form its own (economic/political) union. If true, expect more scripted fighting between Russia and the West..
Another good point he brings up is the "missile attack" on the government building. It seems quite suspicious to me since the payload seems disproportionate to the capabilities of missiles found on armored vehicles.
It's also consistent with the otherwise weird actions of the Russian army near Kiev, namely the abandonment of tons of military vehicles and equipment, all while steering clear of the Eastern cities.
The Russians are destroying infrastructure in the Western half, leaving guns and ammo (as is the EU) to make the place a warlord's paradise for the next decade, so that the Ukrainian army proper will be completely disabled from acting against the now Russia-controlled Eastern half. Donetsk and Lugansk join Crimea as Russian vassal republics, while what's left of Ukraine joins the EU, but is otherwise defanged as a nation state.
I'll ponder this some more, a few details still don't fit that puzzle. In the meantime, nice catch.
Yeah I think that this is essentially what everyone has already agreed to being the scenes. Soon they'll be fine the ultimate: continue existing government on West side or be replaced.
Because it's bullshit and it is its Eastern half you what's it.
The blue line is dated speculation that still holds some vague intention. But objectively is guesswork.
Guesswork still basing a premise on the initial invasion positions. Perhaps baffling when decisively the border being sealed squeezes an opponent's ability to reinforce and resupply and propagate. But the size of Ukraine is a logistic nightmare, without support lines can easily be overrun. Although seemingly it's drawing an enemy in while also hoping it surrenders. Tediously.
Who knows that objective. Except at this point those old lines speculated might as well be doodles. Russia has nothing to lose and more to gain. Why take half?
Obviously it will also dominate its flank quickest.
Haha teasing. Eastern yes. But as stated bullshit. Although problematic. Who knows what that objective is.
Okay Ukraine is the largest Country in Europe because Russia technically isn't. So it makes sense it would attack from its battle positions dominating from any flanks advancing forwards. Except in warfare there is also strategy. If you want to force surrender you must surround cut off and exert pressure. By sealing an enemy in and further firing at will. Not quite at will. Whoever he is. But you don't allow a gravvy train to keep reinforcing. In that regard the assumed speculation holds. Half by geographical river or some other imaginary line. Except now that Russia are in the doghouse. What exactly have they got to lose apart from being the presumed liberators?
Obviously they'll push from the flank. But at which point didn't they send enough detachments to enclose. It's still week one, no rush. There was no real rush anyway despite contrary opinion. Once committed what indeed is its objective?
Anybody can suggest once Kyvi goes the West will yield. Speculation.
NATO expansion. There are other causal variables, but this one has the largest explanatory power and this has been warned about for decades.
Russia, or dare I say Putin, is not a good guy here, but Ukraine in NATO would be the same as when the US placed nukes in Turkey. The Russians responded by putting nukes in Cuba. The result was the Cuban missile crisis.
What I've never seen before, is a good explanation for the elite western leaders' hatred of Russia, and why the huge shift. In the 1980s, liberals looked to the Soviet Union as a model.
NATO facilitated a large portion of the multi-state coalition that invaded Afghanistan. And the air bombing for Balkan wars in the 1990s. It's offensive as well. Saying it's defensive is classic double-speak.
Secondly, NATO the same as the entangling alliances that led to WWI and WWII. What country wants to be surrounded by nations with that, basically giving any of them cover for offensive actions if there is a defensive response?
Russia is asshole, but don't discount the problem with Biden, Bush, Obama, Trump, being assholes too.
Russia didn't need to invade....but it's not "as simple as that".
You can't separate our county's behavior from the reaction it causes in other countries. Russia invaded because of NATO's expansion. MFers in the US just couldn't let there be a balance of power. They "poked the bear" if you get the dual meaning of that phrase, and then act shocked and surprised when they get a reaction. Well, no shit.
America has the "Monroe Doctrine" right? I'm sure you learned about it in high school. Same idea, but Russian and for neighboring countries. It's not like it's a secret, this has been an issue since the Warsaw Pact disintegrated.
For me, this fact doesn't excuse invasion, rather it fortifies my condemnation (since Ukraine was separated from the USSR at the end of the cold war, this invasion threatens the terms of our peace).
But also, them having been the same government for so long, opens the question whether it's all a ruse. Especially since the US Communist Party 🐴 leader's son is also involved in Ukraini corruption.
I always default to the idea that RUS and USA have a protection racket going on, being the two biggest fists on the planet. I don't trust either of them.
Biden in his SOTU said they worked for months to figure out how to falsify the Russian invasion.
Are the "independent" breakaway provinces in the east?
They are on eastern border with Russia, along with many other regions between those two and the river: https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1989638/map-ukraines-territorial-disputes.webp?w=790&f=9341ab2a7a673efaafcd0ebd8d3f38bc
Src/https://mobile.twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1498692916511924232/photo/1
If you want to explain the best division of Ukraine, you start with maps showing ethnic groups. Some people find such maps and facts offensive. That's why nobody is talking about the logical next steps.
Good observation. I'm not a military expert, so can't comment on feasibility.
We already know Ukraine will be broken up, since the sovereignty of Donetsk and Luhansk is the official line of Russia. In addition, the Russian spy chief did let slip (if you believe it wasn't misdirection) they're going to integrate the breakaway regions into Russia. The region you've highlighted is much bigger however: So not sure if they also plan to conquer and occupy those regions.
I'm still holding CrazyRussian's theory as the best fit theory currently (fits with Putin's WEF affiliation if you believe that. The other option is corner Russia till its only choice is to conquer and assimilate): https://conspiracies.win/p/141rswiosR/x/c/4OUgMspFvaa
Meaning, in the distant future all of Eastern Europe will be part of the Russia (Slavic Union or something). A multi-polar world, and skip the one world government plan (for now). Perhaps their attempts to homogenize the entire world via globalization failed or wasn't considered possible anymore as there was too much resistance to ethnic/cultural mixing.
This explains why Putin could be moving away from the West, the war to grab Ukraine, no intervention from NATO and the sanctions all make sense. They provide the narrative for why Russia to form its own (economic/political) union. If true, expect more scripted fighting between Russia and the West..
u/GynaNumbaZero ^Here's another theory.
Coach Red Pill talked about this. Most people are not looking at the map like you are. Good work.
1:40:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zXeIBIpXfc
Another good point he brings up is the "missile attack" on the government building. It seems quite suspicious to me since the payload seems disproportionate to the capabilities of missiles found on armored vehicles.
Now that's interesting.
It's also consistent with the otherwise weird actions of the Russian army near Kiev, namely the abandonment of tons of military vehicles and equipment, all while steering clear of the Eastern cities.
The Russians are destroying infrastructure in the Western half, leaving guns and ammo (as is the EU) to make the place a warlord's paradise for the next decade, so that the Ukrainian army proper will be completely disabled from acting against the now Russia-controlled Eastern half. Donetsk and Lugansk join Crimea as Russian vassal republics, while what's left of Ukraine joins the EU, but is otherwise defanged as a nation state.
I'll ponder this some more, a few details still don't fit that puzzle. In the meantime, nice catch.
Yeah I think that this is essentially what everyone has already agreed to being the scenes. Soon they'll be fine the ultimate: continue existing government on West side or be replaced.
Because it's bullshit and it is its Eastern half you what's it.
The blue line is dated speculation that still holds some vague intention. But objectively is guesswork.
Guesswork still basing a premise on the initial invasion positions. Perhaps baffling when decisively the border being sealed squeezes an opponent's ability to reinforce and resupply and propagate. But the size of Ukraine is a logistic nightmare, without support lines can easily be overrun. Although seemingly it's drawing an enemy in while also hoping it surrenders. Tediously.
Who knows that objective. Except at this point those old lines speculated might as well be doodles. Russia has nothing to lose and more to gain. Why take half?
Obviously it will also dominate its flank quickest.
Western half 🤦♂️
Eastern Japan - Western USA. What are you talking about? Look I purposesfully did an autist impression.
Western USA - Eastern Japan
Yes I should have put "occupying Eastern half" calm down. Didn't affect the main point- their strategy is to fracture and hold.
Haha teasing. Eastern yes. But as stated bullshit. Although problematic. Who knows what that objective is.
Okay Ukraine is the largest Country in Europe because Russia technically isn't. So it makes sense it would attack from its battle positions dominating from any flanks advancing forwards. Except in warfare there is also strategy. If you want to force surrender you must surround cut off and exert pressure. By sealing an enemy in and further firing at will. Not quite at will. Whoever he is. But you don't allow a gravvy train to keep reinforcing. In that regard the assumed speculation holds. Half by geographical river or some other imaginary line. Except now that Russia are in the doghouse. What exactly have they got to lose apart from being the presumed liberators?
Obviously they'll push from the flank. But at which point didn't they send enough detachments to enclose. It's still week one, no rush. There was no real rush anyway despite contrary opinion. Once committed what indeed is its objective?
Anybody can suggest once Kyvi goes the West will yield. Speculation.
NATO expansion. There are other causal variables, but this one has the largest explanatory power and this has been warned about for decades.
Russia, or dare I say Putin, is not a good guy here, but Ukraine in NATO would be the same as when the US placed nukes in Turkey. The Russians responded by putting nukes in Cuba. The result was the Cuban missile crisis.
What I've never seen before, is a good explanation for the elite western leaders' hatred of Russia, and why the huge shift. In the 1980s, liberals looked to the Soviet Union as a model.
"NATO is a defensive alliance (and a joke)"
NATO facilitated a large portion of the multi-state coalition that invaded Afghanistan. And the air bombing for Balkan wars in the 1990s. It's offensive as well. Saying it's defensive is classic double-speak.
Secondly, NATO the same as the entangling alliances that led to WWI and WWII. What country wants to be surrounded by nations with that, basically giving any of them cover for offensive actions if there is a defensive response?
Russia is asshole, but don't discount the problem with Biden, Bush, Obama, Trump, being assholes too.
Russia didn't need to invade....but it's not "as simple as that".
You can't separate our county's behavior from the reaction it causes in other countries. Russia invaded because of NATO's expansion. MFers in the US just couldn't let there be a balance of power. They "poked the bear" if you get the dual meaning of that phrase, and then act shocked and surprised when they get a reaction. Well, no shit.
America has the "Monroe Doctrine" right? I'm sure you learned about it in high school. Same idea, but Russian and for neighboring countries. It's not like it's a secret, this has been an issue since the Warsaw Pact disintegrated.
Is this not true?
For me, this fact doesn't excuse invasion, rather it fortifies my condemnation (since Ukraine was separated from the USSR at the end of the cold war, this invasion threatens the terms of our peace).
But also, them having been the same government for so long, opens the question whether it's all a ruse. Especially since the US Communist Party 🐴 leader's son is also involved in Ukraini corruption.
I always default to the idea that RUS and USA have a protection racket going on, being the two biggest fists on the planet. I don't trust either of them.
Biden in his SOTU said they worked for months to figure out how to falsify the Russian invasion.
So much warmongering from someone who dosent have the balls to go enlist.your mask may be too tight.