first responders or police officers ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO DELCLARE PEOPLE DEAD under 3 circumstances. (the 3 Ds) they have to be decomposing, decapitated, or dissected (meaning cut in half). when someone is shot in the head they are rushed to hospital and a Doctor must declare them dead.
all of the kids were declared dead at the scene and never even went to the hospital.
so either it was real and were dealing with the most insane cases of police and medical neglect ever..
During the Lenny Pozner/Jim Fetzer lawsuit, Wayne Carver did a deposition. Fetzer asked him who could declare the victims dead. Carver said a competent emergency medical technician could do that. There were EMT's in the school that could declare them dead.
EMT's were allowed in. Two of the first responding officers, Cario and Dragon were also EMT's. Cario then brought in three more, Cassavechia, Reed and Meehan.
There's a lot of things that don't add up and are made even more suspicious by the hostility shown to anyone who questions any of it, but I think it's a lot more likely that the shooter was a patsy or MKULTRA. The "mainstream" conspiracy theory, i.e. that there was no shooting at all and none of the people involved actually existed, would have been needlessly complex on the part of the government. I don't think a government willing to stage a shooting would suddenly grow a conscience when they got to the killing part when it's a lot easier to just have somebody actually shoot a bunch of kids. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the more out there theories were put out by the government themselves to discredit all skepticism of the event. As for the official narrative, nothing about it is impossible, but every part of it is just too convenient. The timing (around a month after Obama secured his second term) and choice of target couldn't have been more perfect to get support for a nationwide gun ban and I think the only reason we didn't see that is because they expected American gun owners to roll over like British and Australian gun owners, truly did not expect the level of opposition they received, and realized there would be conflict if they took that much of what they wanted at one time.
Ironically, I don't think I would be suspicious of the narrative if it wasn't so forbidden to question. Kind of like another historical event.
Good reply. I don’t think it’s a “Hoax” and it’s crazy how if you question the government report you are labeled as a person who hates dead children
Edit: also, it horrifies me how desperate the government is to disarm us. It means they plan on doing something to us that would justify us shooting them.
Completely agree except we are all already justified in shooting our government down this day.
But you said something so true and important: that the only reason they take guns from nations is because they have lethal plans for that nation's people.
Its time we all band together and make our own nation. Secede etc. Then we can move to phase 2 and start blasting out redpills exposing the old order etc etc. We must do this to survive now.
Many red flags for me. One important red flag is the video of the aerial footage of the next door firehouse. It’s clearly staged to make it look like a chaotic scene
That's proof of what, exactly? Are you saying you just don't know what was going on there?
Like I said in my other comment, the psychological reactions in the people who watched or read about the story is the interesting part. You see people walking around, and without knowing why they were doing so or what was going on, you see that as a red flag. Fascinating.
What have they been told? What do they think they know? What is prompting this specific behavior seen in the video? What's the name of the person who generated this behavior, and what was the communication?
I don't have evidence either way but I definitely don't trust any mainstream narrative from the last 25+ years. I focus more on the resulting push of tyranny that ALWAYS follows certain incidents.
judging by how deceiving the media is on the current narrative, with the "massive war with russia and ukraine" where they are reporting massive chaos going on, and all this other stuff...
i can see them seriously lying about sandy hook and massively overblowing it.
I have been watching live streams of SEVERAL TOWNS and countryside of ukraine from 3 days ago. NOTHING Like they have been showing on the news is happening. they have even already been caught using imagery of OTHER conflicts on stories to make it look like it was UKRAINE.
Not only that, if we’re seeing the same streams then the stream content isn’t even as exciting as its YouTube thumbnail. The actual activity is so lame they have to make the thumbnail look like something is actually happening or else it would just be a pic of an empty town square
i have every stream i can up on my 3 screens by my computer, some on my tv, and on my tablet. maybe there is a convoy every now and then. or some armored carrier. but NOTHING to the extent they are making this out to be....
They hide shit in the facts to try to discredit those that find out.
Yes, the shooting happened.
Yes, kids died.
No, he didn't use the AR-15 in the school. How do I know? Because they claim he only had one, and the NBC live stream of the police in the parking lot opening his trunk that night show them recovering the AR-15 from the trunk. He used his handgun in the school.
But 0bummer wanted to ban the AR15 so they didn't let a crisis go to waste.
Mainstream media is more concerned with getting info fast than getting it right. Early reports at things like Sandy Hook are often wrong. Once they investigated, they figured out what guns Lanza had.
The gun found in the car was an Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun
In the school they found,
Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S
Glock 10 mm handgun
Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun
"Recovered from the car was an Izhmash Saiga-12, 12 gauge shotgun with two magazines
containing a total of twenty rounds of ammunition.35 The shotgun and ammunition were
originally seen in the passenger compartment of the car and were moved by police to the car’s
trunk for safekeeping during the initial response and evacuation."
There has never been a mass shooting ever where no ambulances show up because it is impossible for any 911 dispatcher to know how many of the injured people might be still be alive.
For EMT's there are hot zones, warm zones and cold zones. Hot zones, cops go in first and secure the area. Sandy Hook would have been considered a hot zone, so the ambulances were staged at the firehouse.
The cops secured the area of the school where the victims were, then officer Cario brought three medics into the school.
The only part that interests me in any sense is the way people get so worked up about it. Seems real enough on a superficial level, and most of the "it's fake!" claims I've seen have looked nutty, or like things they just fail to understand.
Like the school was closed for years, and there are pics of all the bookshelves and stuff being in the hall, not the classrooms. People sometimes move stuff to paint and refurbish. None of those kids existed, or they've been seen dying in other places too, as proved by real images found on the internet. There's the one where a parent exhibited abnormal emotions in reaction to their child's death, which was proof they're just an actor. The way people parked was suspect for some other reason? Oh, and the best one was that "everyone in town got free houses on Christmas day."
Whether the shooting was real or fake, the most interesting aspect was the psychological response in people to the story.
There's a large number of inconsistencies with the official narrative about Sandy Hook.
The shooter is said to have entered by the main doors near the office with an AR and pistols and then gone to a classroom; but evidence from the room showed that the glass was broken from the outside, as the glass landed inside the room. There were shotgun patterns in the classroom. The shotgun was later said to have been found in the car, but proper evidence collection wasn't done. Was there a second shooter?
The other children from the school appear to have been marched out past the media twice in a photo op "rescue".
A phony swat team walked past cameras multiple times, later the same crisis actor was used as a victim parent.
A large number of mortgages of families related to the shooting were paid off or forgiven on Christmas eve following the event. This exceeded $1bn.
The parents cars appear to have arrived at the school as a convoy, they almost all parked pointing the same way as seen in the OP's photo.
The school was torn down the following year, and many people claimed that the building hadn't been in use as a school during the time of the shooting, but had been used as a storage facility because of the run down nature of the interior.
That glass is at the entry to the school, not at the classroom. The police broke glass in this area during the response.
The shotgun was moved to the trunk of the car, and no explanation for the shotgun having been used in the shooting was provided. The existence of the shotgun was only publicly admitted after people started to ask about it.
I personally verified that there were such pay-off dates on numerous lots, both before and after the computer system was supposedly reporting in error. The response that it was debunked is BS, the claim it was debunked is another one of the extreme sensitivity of the left things. They don't want people to think for themselves.
If the school wasn't run down and used mostly for storage, then why was it removed so soon after the incident? No one said it was because of the shooting, it was just quickly done.
This is a conspiracy forum, not a skeptic forum. At the end of the day if you want to believe the story the MSM created for the public, that is your right. The left certainly has much more money behind what I consider propaganda.
The claim about the free homes has been around for several years. You can check any county tax assessor in the US and then check homes for sale in that area. You'll find homes with a $0 or very cheap sale price.
You can look up Prof James Tracy's house in Boca Raton, Fla. It has a sale price of $0 listed several times.
This real estate site talks about homes with a $0 or $1 sale price.
The school was not quickly torn down. It was done starting in Oct 2013. Ten months after the shooting. The school was old, built im the mid 50's. Makes more sense to just build a new one.
At first I believed 100% but little things stood out as weird. And pulse shooting happened and the some victim’s were fake walking down the road towards the night club. Made no sense.
I believe the shooter was basically induced into doing it, by the Feds, as a reason to push for gun control. They though that this time, it would work, because it was kids. Just like they thought, this time it would work, in Vegas, when it was fellow "conservatives" at a country music concert.
There’s a good chance we’ll never know the truth. When it comes to any story out of the media, big or small we can guarantee it’s not even close to what happened. It’s better to look at policy changes in regard to any said event. It’s like sports- a distraction from being robbed blind by our government.
first responders or police officers ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO DELCLARE PEOPLE DEAD under 3 circumstances. (the 3 Ds) they have to be decomposing, decapitated, or dissected (meaning cut in half). when someone is shot in the head they are rushed to hospital and a Doctor must declare them dead.
all of the kids were declared dead at the scene and never even went to the hospital.
so either it was real and were dealing with the most insane cases of police and medical neglect ever..
or there were no kids.
A doctor who reviewed the autopsies said the victims died almost immediately.
Hartford Consensus
During the Lenny Pozner/Jim Fetzer lawsuit, Wayne Carver did a deposition. Fetzer asked him who could declare the victims dead. Carver said a competent emergency medical technician could do that. There were EMT's in the school that could declare them dead.
Carver Deposition
EMT's were allowed in. Two of the first responding officers, Cario and Dragon were also EMT's. Cario then brought in three more, Cassavechia, Reed and Meehan.
Cario's Statement
Cassavechia
The school was torn down starting in Oct 2013. The evidence had all been collected.
Nice way to try to dox people with a link that pulls your email address
OK, here are MediaFire links.
Cario
Cassavechia
There's a lot of things that don't add up and are made even more suspicious by the hostility shown to anyone who questions any of it, but I think it's a lot more likely that the shooter was a patsy or MKULTRA. The "mainstream" conspiracy theory, i.e. that there was no shooting at all and none of the people involved actually existed, would have been needlessly complex on the part of the government. I don't think a government willing to stage a shooting would suddenly grow a conscience when they got to the killing part when it's a lot easier to just have somebody actually shoot a bunch of kids. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the more out there theories were put out by the government themselves to discredit all skepticism of the event. As for the official narrative, nothing about it is impossible, but every part of it is just too convenient. The timing (around a month after Obama secured his second term) and choice of target couldn't have been more perfect to get support for a nationwide gun ban and I think the only reason we didn't see that is because they expected American gun owners to roll over like British and Australian gun owners, truly did not expect the level of opposition they received, and realized there would be conflict if they took that much of what they wanted at one time.
Ironically, I don't think I would be suspicious of the narrative if it wasn't so forbidden to question. Kind of like another historical event.
Good reply. I don’t think it’s a “Hoax” and it’s crazy how if you question the government report you are labeled as a person who hates dead children
Edit: also, it horrifies me how desperate the government is to disarm us. It means they plan on doing something to us that would justify us shooting them.
Completely agree except we are all already justified in shooting our government down this day. But you said something so true and important: that the only reason they take guns from nations is because they have lethal plans for that nation's people. Its time we all band together and make our own nation. Secede etc. Then we can move to phase 2 and start blasting out redpills exposing the old order etc etc. We must do this to survive now.
Many red flags for me. One important red flag is the video of the aerial footage of the next door firehouse. It’s clearly staged to make it look like a chaotic scene
https://www.bitchute.com/video/w5emRL4DOFiY/
That's proof of what, exactly? Are you saying you just don't know what was going on there?
Like I said in my other comment, the psychological reactions in the people who watched or read about the story is the interesting part. You see people walking around, and without knowing why they were doing so or what was going on, you see that as a red flag. Fascinating.
I know exactly what’s going on and we have context. Yes the way they are acting is extremely suspicious
What have they been told? What do they think they know? What is prompting this specific behavior seen in the video? What's the name of the person who generated this behavior, and what was the communication?
I don't have evidence either way but I definitely don't trust any mainstream narrative from the last 25+ years. I focus more on the resulting push of tyranny that ALWAYS follows certain incidents.
i think something happened. but i think it was massively overblown to push the anti gun narrative
I think something happened. I just don’t know what to believe anymore
judging by how deceiving the media is on the current narrative, with the "massive war with russia and ukraine" where they are reporting massive chaos going on, and all this other stuff...
i can see them seriously lying about sandy hook and massively overblowing it.
I have been watching live streams of SEVERAL TOWNS and countryside of ukraine from 3 days ago. NOTHING Like they have been showing on the news is happening. they have even already been caught using imagery of OTHER conflicts on stories to make it look like it was UKRAINE.
disgusting demons
Not only that, if we’re seeing the same streams then the stream content isn’t even as exciting as its YouTube thumbnail. The actual activity is so lame they have to make the thumbnail look like something is actually happening or else it would just be a pic of an empty town square
i have every stream i can up on my 3 screens by my computer, some on my tv, and on my tablet. maybe there is a convoy every now and then. or some armored carrier. but NOTHING to the extent they are making this out to be....
this is a fake media war
They hide shit in the facts to try to discredit those that find out.
Yes, the shooting happened.
Yes, kids died.
No, he didn't use the AR-15 in the school. How do I know? Because they claim he only had one, and the NBC live stream of the police in the parking lot opening his trunk that night show them recovering the AR-15 from the trunk. He used his handgun in the school.
But 0bummer wanted to ban the AR15 so they didn't let a crisis go to waste.
Mainstream media is more concerned with getting info fast than getting it right. Early reports at things like Sandy Hook are often wrong. Once they investigated, they figured out what guns Lanza had.
The gun found in the car was an Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun
In the school they found,
Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S Glock 10 mm handgun Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun
State Police press release on the guns
The gun found in the car was actually found in the front passenger side of the car, and then placed in the trunk.
Sedensky Report
Page 23:
"Recovered from the car was an Izhmash Saiga-12, 12 gauge shotgun with two magazines containing a total of twenty rounds of ammunition.35 The shotgun and ammunition were originally seen in the passenger compartment of the car and were moved by police to the car’s trunk for safekeeping during the initial response and evacuation."
I had this video saved on on old cellphone, so I put it on Odysee. Not sure who the guy doing the talking is but he does have a good point lol.
https://odysee.com/@Raven9:2/Sandy_Hook_Raw_Helicopter_Footage:7
Kept from the public? That's news video from the day of the shooting, It wasn't hidden from anyone
They victims were dead, no need for ambulances. By the time news helicopters were there, the shooting was over with.
There is a clearer version of that footage on YouTube
Firehouse
There has never been a mass shooting ever where no ambulances show up because it is impossible for any 911 dispatcher to know how many of the injured people might be still be alive.
For EMT's there are hot zones, warm zones and cold zones. Hot zones, cops go in first and secure the area. Sandy Hook would have been considered a hot zone, so the ambulances were staged at the firehouse.
The cops secured the area of the school where the victims were, then officer Cario brought three medics into the school.
EMS talking about Hot scenes
"Most EMS systems have operational protocols that prohibit responders from entering “hot scenes,” where the risk of injury is higher than acceptable."
IIRC, at least one memorial FB page was published the day before the shooting was supposed to happen. Suspicious.
The only part that interests me in any sense is the way people get so worked up about it. Seems real enough on a superficial level, and most of the "it's fake!" claims I've seen have looked nutty, or like things they just fail to understand.
Like the school was closed for years, and there are pics of all the bookshelves and stuff being in the hall, not the classrooms. People sometimes move stuff to paint and refurbish. None of those kids existed, or they've been seen dying in other places too, as proved by real images found on the internet. There's the one where a parent exhibited abnormal emotions in reaction to their child's death, which was proof they're just an actor. The way people parked was suspect for some other reason? Oh, and the best one was that "everyone in town got free houses on Christmas day."
Whether the shooting was real or fake, the most interesting aspect was the psychological response in people to the story.
There's a large number of inconsistencies with the official narrative about Sandy Hook.
The shooter is said to have entered by the main doors near the office with an AR and pistols and then gone to a classroom; but evidence from the room showed that the glass was broken from the outside, as the glass landed inside the room. There were shotgun patterns in the classroom. The shotgun was later said to have been found in the car, but proper evidence collection wasn't done. Was there a second shooter?
The other children from the school appear to have been marched out past the media twice in a photo op "rescue".
A phony swat team walked past cameras multiple times, later the same crisis actor was used as a victim parent.
A large number of mortgages of families related to the shooting were paid off or forgiven on Christmas eve following the event. This exceeded $1bn.
The parents cars appear to have arrived at the school as a convoy, they almost all parked pointing the same way as seen in the OP's photo.
The school was torn down the following year, and many people claimed that the building hadn't been in use as a school during the time of the shooting, but had been used as a storage facility because of the run down nature of the interior.
There was also glass on the sidewalk outside.
broken glass
There was a gun found in the car and Lanza used the Bushmaster in the school. Why do you think proper evidence collection wasn't done?
The free houses thing was debunked.
Free homes debunked
The school wasn't used for storage. There is a photo that was taken after cops took stuff out of classrooms so they could look for more evidence.
Debunking Fetzer's book
That glass is at the entry to the school, not at the classroom. The police broke glass in this area during the response.
The shotgun was moved to the trunk of the car, and no explanation for the shotgun having been used in the shooting was provided. The existence of the shotgun was only publicly admitted after people started to ask about it.
I personally verified that there were such pay-off dates on numerous lots, both before and after the computer system was supposedly reporting in error. The response that it was debunked is BS, the claim it was debunked is another one of the extreme sensitivity of the left things. They don't want people to think for themselves.
If the school wasn't run down and used mostly for storage, then why was it removed so soon after the incident? No one said it was because of the shooting, it was just quickly done.
This is a conspiracy forum, not a skeptic forum. At the end of the day if you want to believe the story the MSM created for the public, that is your right. The left certainly has much more money behind what I consider propaganda.
This a video about the room 10 windows and their bullet holes.
Classroom 10
The Sednksy report has the explanation of the Bushmaster used in the school.
Sedensky Report
The state police also put out a press release in Jan '13saying what guns Lanza had with him at the school.
Lanza's guns
The claim about the free homes has been around for several years. You can check any county tax assessor in the US and then check homes for sale in that area. You'll find homes with a $0 or very cheap sale price.
You can look up Prof James Tracy's house in Boca Raton, Fla. It has a sale price of $0 listed several times.
This real estate site talks about homes with a $0 or $1 sale price.
Low Sale Price
The school was not quickly torn down. It was done starting in Oct 2013. Ten months after the shooting. The school was old, built im the mid 50's. Makes more sense to just build a new one.
[School demolition(https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna53372259)
At first I believed 100% but little things stood out as weird. And pulse shooting happened and the some victim’s were fake walking down the road towards the night club. Made no sense.
I believe the shooter was basically induced into doing it, by the Feds, as a reason to push for gun control. They though that this time, it would work, because it was kids. Just like they thought, this time it would work, in Vegas, when it was fellow "conservatives" at a country music concert.
There’s a good chance we’ll never know the truth. When it comes to any story out of the media, big or small we can guarantee it’s not even close to what happened. It’s better to look at policy changes in regard to any said event. It’s like sports- a distraction from being robbed blind by our government.