People are being hostile to doctors, but they're only the face of (and products of) a system.
The other issue is doctors being prosecuted for "medical malpractice". So basically the doctor can't experiment on you off the beaten path, or even tell you what experiments need to be done, but has to stick with "standard medical advice". And can't try to save your money. Nope prescribe all kinds of tests just to cover their backside.
Example: From personal experience, ideally you need to "titrate" to figure out the minimum dose that'd work for the particular individual, to minimize the side effects. And if the patient reduces lifestyle factors causing it, the minimum dose may change as well. Nope. They just write out the standard dosage, and just tell the patients to accept the side effects. No guidance on experimentation with the dose.
And who controls the standard? The ones with the money to fund the research.
I think most doctors start out in medical school thinking they'll be able to do some good in the world. But by the time they come out, they're put in a legal straightjacket by the law, a salesman straightjacket by the hospital they work for, a financial straightjacket by the bank they owe money to, a temporal straightjacket by the industry culture that allows no time for doing research etc. And the disdain they pick up on in medical school (cultural influence) on what is or isn't "proper medicine" (eg: things that might not have the funding to be "peer-reviewed research")...
You're not wrong. But practice still means practice. And cookbooks go wrong without a chef... Ingredients, environments, idiosyncrasies, all vary; particulars outside of stats must be handled.
Doctors are completely overhyped. They are medical technicians and are not real scientists. (Scientists are also just people who are mostly stupid btw.)
Now that is a gross overgeneralization. The majority of MDs are definitely not scientists. Some are, sure, but the majority are not. Being an MD doesn't prevent you from being a scientist, but it sure doesn't make you one. Modern education, practice, culture, and regulation on the other hand does a lot to discourage and prevent it.
I have worked in healthcare all my life and this is spot on. Doctors are basically remote controlled. They score their work through ICD 11 codes and psychiatrists through DSM V and follow protocols. The important question is : Who defines these protocols?
There's a lot of good doctors out there and IMO a lot have good intent going into the field. I think the medical system, esp the licensing boards, are highly gated on standards that demand a hollow shell and this reduces their expertise into this schematic based framework
Critical thinking is a skill. You have to develop it, by learning to question anyone and everyone, especially authority.
One good way is to learn every kind of logical fallacy. And vice versa, learn proper logic, be it via philosophy or mathematical/algorithmic logic (both is best).
Another good way is to study statistics.
I doubt most medical programs focus on the first, and the second, statistics is usually seen as hard/boring/confusing by undergrads.
Lawyers and philosophers should learn logic well. Some mathematicians and pure science should learn both. Engineers should learn statistics well.
But most important is applying it to every-day life and deciding to have a sceptical take on anything the government or media or authority says. Without application, all the learning in the world is useless.
My (former) primary care doctor several years ago: "All I can do is give you a flu shot."
She retired right after that.
In my 20s I told her I had night sweats and swollen glands for MONTHS and her response was "It's probably just something viral." Nah bitch, IT WAS LYME DISEASE AND BARTONELLA.
I asked my Dr about FMT (Fecal Matter Transplant) and she looked at me like I was out of my mind.
Admittedly it is not widely known treatment, but it should be. The reason it has been shuttered is because it, in many cases, is a CURE. We all know that pharma companies don't participate in cures.
People who suffer from Celiac disease, C-Diff and other intestinal issues have been cured by using this treatment as opposed to a lifetime of miserable drug treatments.
It is my opinion that this treatment is a possible cure for many other ailments as the Gut is the source of determining our overall health. If you have flora issues, it can manifest in all kinds of ways through our over all health. Auto immune diseases, obesity, hair loss, etc.
I found this shit storm you work in rather hyperbolic. Only to be followed by “Hundreds of millions of americans” routinely exploding ass to my “1 case” confirms my suspicions
tl;dr: Anon thinks they are smarter than a doctor because not having 8+ years of educational training is supposed to be an advantage.
A better way to think of it is Pharmacy Corporations invest millions appeal to physicians because those are the only people allowed to prescribe their drugs.
It's really easy to bribe doctors though, in fact it's really easy to bribe most people. Everyone has a price. Look at all the idiots standing in line to get the vax for $100.
For it to be OTC it has to clear four things. Low potential for misuse, used for self-diagnosed conditions, can be safely used without physician instruction, and they can be adequately labeled.
Most of these are pretty subjective. And that's a problem because that means more people can make claims that'll hold up your approval. And these days, nothing clears for "the good of the people". You have to pay every single party off what they think they are worth.
It's cheaper to pay off a doctor that sees thousands of patients each year. And it's even cheaper to use public opinion to push idiots like the OP into dogma. Like you may think doctors are doing this, many are not. Mine was spoke to by the ACP and basically told to conform or they would have state license issues. Everyone knows what happen to Joe Rogan's doctor who is currently in a dozen lawsuits by physician memberships. And what happened to all those doctors that spoke of hydroxychloroquine? Lawsuits, social media bans, and forgotten. If you're dumb enough to blame physicans, congratulations for falling for the political propaganda.
IMO --- A typical young GP is a vending machine for pills.
Substatially agree; some of us are scientists and critical analysts, but FAR too many are not.
People are being hostile to doctors, but they're only the face of (and products of) a system.
The other issue is doctors being prosecuted for "medical malpractice". So basically the doctor can't experiment on you off the beaten path, or even tell you what experiments need to be done, but has to stick with "standard medical advice". And can't try to save your money. Nope prescribe all kinds of tests just to cover their backside.
Example: From personal experience, ideally you need to "titrate" to figure out the minimum dose that'd work for the particular individual, to minimize the side effects. And if the patient reduces lifestyle factors causing it, the minimum dose may change as well. Nope. They just write out the standard dosage, and just tell the patients to accept the side effects. No guidance on experimentation with the dose.
And who controls the standard? The ones with the money to fund the research.
I think most doctors start out in medical school thinking they'll be able to do some good in the world. But by the time they come out, they're put in a legal straightjacket by the law, a salesman straightjacket by the hospital they work for, a financial straightjacket by the bank they owe money to, a temporal straightjacket by the industry culture that allows no time for doing research etc. And the disdain they pick up on in medical school (cultural influence) on what is or isn't "proper medicine" (eg: things that might not have the funding to be "peer-reviewed research")...
You're not wrong. But practice still means practice. And cookbooks go wrong without a chef... Ingredients, environments, idiosyncrasies, all vary; particulars outside of stats must be handled.
I work as a consultant to the pt's health. I also fire patients on occassion.
Rockefeller controlled medical industry. Controlled school industry. It's all under foreign control.
If I said essentially this same thing 3 years ago, I would've gotten all the Reddit awards
Doctors are completely overhyped. They are medical technicians and are not real scientists. (Scientists are also just people who are mostly stupid btw.)
(Scientists are also just people who are mostly stupid btw.)
Wait..... are you implying that ENGINEERS are smarter then SCIENTISTS?!!1?
I don't know. Most engineers I have known have been pretty stupid, but they were mostly civil engineers so I am probably not the best judge of that.
Am a scientist, can confirm. Mostly stupid.
Now that is a gross overgeneralization. The majority of MDs are definitely not scientists. Some are, sure, but the majority are not. Being an MD doesn't prevent you from being a scientist, but it sure doesn't make you one. Modern education, practice, culture, and regulation on the other hand does a lot to discourage and prevent it.
Define "many" using percentage.
How many neurologists have you seen? I was misdiagnosed by 4. FOUR.
Either they are all fucking IDIOTS, or they are willfully misdiagnosing people to benefit Big Pharma.
I have worked in healthcare all my life and this is spot on. Doctors are basically remote controlled. They score their work through ICD 11 codes and psychiatrists through DSM V and follow protocols. The important question is : Who defines these protocols?
There's a lot of good doctors out there and IMO a lot have good intent going into the field. I think the medical system, esp the licensing boards, are highly gated on standards that demand a hollow shell and this reduces their expertise into this schematic based framework
Critical thinking is a skill. You have to develop it, by learning to question anyone and everyone, especially authority.
One good way is to learn every kind of logical fallacy. And vice versa, learn proper logic, be it via philosophy or mathematical/algorithmic logic (both is best).
Another good way is to study statistics.
I doubt most medical programs focus on the first, and the second, statistics is usually seen as hard/boring/confusing by undergrads.
Lawyers and philosophers should learn logic well. Some mathematicians and pure science should learn both. Engineers should learn statistics well.
But most important is applying it to every-day life and deciding to have a sceptical take on anything the government or media or authority says. Without application, all the learning in the world is useless.
My (former) primary care doctor several years ago: "All I can do is give you a flu shot."
She retired right after that.
In my 20s I told her I had night sweats and swollen glands for MONTHS and her response was "It's probably just something viral." Nah bitch, IT WAS LYME DISEASE AND BARTONELLA.
Agreed.
I asked my Dr about FMT (Fecal Matter Transplant) and she looked at me like I was out of my mind.
Admittedly it is not widely known treatment, but it should be. The reason it has been shuttered is because it, in many cases, is a CURE. We all know that pharma companies don't participate in cures.
People who suffer from Celiac disease, C-Diff and other intestinal issues have been cured by using this treatment as opposed to a lifetime of miserable drug treatments.
It is my opinion that this treatment is a possible cure for many other ailments as the Gut is the source of determining our overall health. If you have flora issues, it can manifest in all kinds of ways through our over all health. Auto immune diseases, obesity, hair loss, etc.
Do you have c diff? I had it twice, so I know about FMT (didn't need it, thank God, Flagyl cured it, also diet and probiotics).
I don't I have celiacs. Although I know many people who have suffered terribly from c-diff. Some have lost parts of their intestines.
It is terrible.
The idea that there is a cure that is relatively unexplored is par for the course of the medical community.
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Hiriluk
With the exception of the show COPS. Every show about police, doctors, lawyers, and fireman is the shits.
Imodium AD- problem solved. So you were sayin’…..?
I found this shit storm you work in rather hyperbolic. Only to be followed by “Hundreds of millions of americans” routinely exploding ass to my “1 case” confirms my suspicions
tl;dr: Anon thinks they are smarter than a doctor because not having 8+ years of educational training is supposed to be an advantage.
A better way to think of it is Pharmacy Corporations invest millions appeal to physicians because those are the only people allowed to prescribe their drugs.
IT IS ! 8 years less training in trusting the authority HELPS .
What I've always found odd about this argument is: why not advocate to make drugs OTC? would be easier than bribing all the doctors
It's really easy to bribe doctors though, in fact it's really easy to bribe most people. Everyone has a price. Look at all the idiots standing in line to get the vax for $100.
Black Friday is our annual reminder of this factor
For it to be OTC it has to clear four things. Low potential for misuse, used for self-diagnosed conditions, can be safely used without physician instruction, and they can be adequately labeled.
Most of these are pretty subjective. And that's a problem because that means more people can make claims that'll hold up your approval. And these days, nothing clears for "the good of the people". You have to pay every single party off what they think they are worth.
It's cheaper to pay off a doctor that sees thousands of patients each year. And it's even cheaper to use public opinion to push idiots like the OP into dogma. Like you may think doctors are doing this, many are not. Mine was spoke to by the ACP and basically told to conform or they would have state license issues. Everyone knows what happen to Joe Rogan's doctor who is currently in a dozen lawsuits by physician memberships. And what happened to all those doctors that spoke of hydroxychloroquine? Lawsuits, social media bans, and forgotten. If you're dumb enough to blame physicans, congratulations for falling for the political propaganda.