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The Dorchester Vase (media.communities.win)
posted 4 years ago by clemaneuverers 4 years ago by clemaneuverers +19 / -0
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– Graphenium 10 points 4 years ago +10 / -0

“Out-of-place” artifacts, like this, the antikthyera device, Michigan-source copper found in the ancient Levant, the mammoth bones with tool marks on it found in America and dated to 130,000 years ago, and so on, are proof positive that our “dating regimes” are just garbage.

u/SwampRangers , if you don’t mind, could you link or copy/paste that research you shared with me on the issues with our current dating techniques? I can’t find it in my messages anymore, but I remember you touched on carbon dating and some other flawed techniques

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– SwampRangers 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

Your primary link will be setterfield.org, Barry Setterfield, full but not that easy to navigate. The thesis is CDK (lightspeed decay), placing all carbon dates within less than 10,000 years. This helps with some of these concerns though it doesn't solve everything.

Briefly, OP requires a theory of sudden Precambrian formation within human memory, which leads YECs to cry deluge, although that too is a harder fit because you need something suitably molten. So I honestly don't have a prima facie theory on this one because I don't remember the volcanism effects.

Polonium radiohaloes found in Precambrian rock are very inexplicable and very worthy of greater recognition, but they arise from a formation period rather than a human period so they don't help with this vase either.

Antikythera is "out of place" in the sense of stretching our knowledge of lost arts; I'm partial to the lightbulbs depicted in the pyramid carvings myself, as we've proven they could make batteries. You also remind me of the abacus-like Ishango bone, which shows an earlier appreciation for computation than believed, and the Paluxy footprints of humans and dinosaurs frolicking together. I'll come back later though.

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– KiloRomeo 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Fossilization can also occur much more quickly than expected

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– SwampRangers 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

True!

WP shows disappointingly at "Dorchester pot", with the OP's source in full, that the simplest explanation is just mistransmission of the finding data, providing evidence of the pot being 19th-century in origin. As I said there is not a direct YEC explanation for finding human artifacts within granite. Since Scientific American said the results were being submitted to verification we can infer any such process ended in quiet rejection. Also it's probable based on custody that the OP photo is not that of the artifact. In those days of course Scientific American could still get away with attributing the pot to Tubal-Cain! (He's the man for whom the modern Hebrew name is now "Vulcan".)

I'll plug again that it's worth reading the "Pleochroic halo" article in WP, which makes no reference to the difficulty making any mainstream explanation of the effect work, and then searching for articles on particularly the polonium halos that show the difficulty. There you have something in granite that didn't get there by simple means. But recapitulating those physics is beyond my scope today. Verbum sat.

(Add: I also see that John D. Morris, whom I greatly respect, has suggested backing off from insistence that the Paluxy tracks are necessarily human, as there is a strong battle over custody of those evidences as well and over erosional changes, so I cannot affirm this particular evidence other than to say the whole history of that discovery needs further investigation for resolution of loose ends.)

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– Graphenium 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

A computer, found under the sea, dated to the time of chariots isnt “out-of-place” in your opinion?

Can you show me any other Ancient Greek computers we have found?

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– Graphenium 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

So you seriously don’t see how paradigm shifting it is that “clockwork” “machines” for “computing” were invented (at a minimum) ~2,500 years before the consensus belief that they began with the advent of world war 2? And you’re posting on conspiracy forums? Odd that

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– KiloRomeo 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

A lot of the brass instruments the Greeks made in late antiquity were melted by Napoleon for the “war effort”. Some think he was rewriting history.

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