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posted 4 years ago by BigBadBrutus 4 years ago by BigBadBrutus +17 / -0
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– CrazyRussian 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

He's trying to build a parallel economy. That doesn't happen around decentralized platforms.

It is orthogonal things. You could build parallel economy on any platform. Crypto+illegal things economy build completely on decentralised platform and works perfectly.

this is often why leftists win. They aren't afraid to centralize and plan

Don't even know where to start....

  1. Current leftists (or better say "leftists") win only because TPTB want that. Without TPTB support we wouldn't even hear something about all that SJWs, marxists, fags and other crap.
  2. Independent leftists win or stand only when used decentralized resistance tactics. (f.e. Zapatista)
  3. Planning have nothing to do with centralization at all. In case of modern TPTB leftists planning is done for them by TPTB.

Torba could be a nice guy, trying to do something good and make some money. There is nothing bad in that, but unfortunately his platform have a giant inevitable vulnerability right in its core. If somehow he change his mind or would be destroyed by TPTB or appear to be not who he is, all his platform will be immidiately taken over with all its participants.

That is why distributed things are much preferrable now. Corporations try to destroy torrents over 20 years without any success. It is a very good result for a technology.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

An organized minority will always win against an unorganized majority. And torrenting is a niche thing where most people end up with a virus on their computer.

You are basically saying the way to fight back is to create a black market. That doesn't get you political power. It get's you left alone, which is enough for most people I suppose.

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– CrazyRussian 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

An organized minority will always win against an unorganized majority.

Organization have nothing to do with centralization. You could easily have a perfectly organized and fully decentralized community.

And torrenting is a niche thing where most people end up with a virus on their computer.

I'm waiting for more than 20 years to see any working virus for Linux. Still waiting without any result. May be a problem is not in torrents? May be you just should not use proprietary OS where you have a need to download proprietary software in binary form from murky sources, and everything will be OK? How torrents could be connected with your wrong choice of OS?

Most people use torrents to share music, movies and books and not software.

You are basically saying the way to fight back is to create a black market.

Exactly. It is just a necessary part on the way to win. In any case you will need some kind of goods exchange in your community. If trade for f.e. unvaxxed or conservatives become outlawed, there will be no any other way except creating black market. So why don't you want to create working solition without a hurry and thoroughly tune it to the needs of community before it become an urgent necessity?

That doesn't get you political power.

All and every political power was literally bought on black market. Obviously you can't go to some legal shop and officially buy some political power.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I don't think you understand what the word centralization means. While not a synonym for organization, there is quite the overlap. Being organized is being centralized, to a large extent. It was George Washington's army, not individual militia patriots, that won the Revolutionary War. Likewise, although the IRA was both centralized and decentralized, it was their decentralization that led to them losing. Same goes for about every successful vs failed revolution.

Linux? That's even more niche. The only reason there is no viruses for Linux is because not enough people use it to make it worth the time to create them.

Peer-to-peer needs to be in person, to build connections. To build communities of like minded people who can organize for collective aims. This gets around the free-rider effect.

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– CrazyRussian 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I don't think you understand what the word centralization means.

Any centralization means inevitable existence of single point of failure. Dot.

It was George Washington's army, not individual militia patriots, that won the Revolutionary War.

Result seems to be at least questionable now.

it was their decentralization that led to them losing.

But it still exists. It is more importarnt to exist than to win.

Same goes for about every successful vs failed revolution.

Every successfull revolution was controlled by TPTB and immidiately after win it eated nearly all rebels.

The only reason there is no viruses for Linux is because not enough people use it to make it worth the time to create them.

Nice. Do you know that nearly all Internet servers running Linux? And you tell me, that some dude windows PC is much preferrable target than Internet server? Tell that story to some sheeple, may be they believe it. In reality, Windows is so bad written and designed OS, that even scholar could write a virus for it. So they just do it. That is why there a tons of viruses for Windows and no any really working virus for Linux. Linux was written by professionals for ourselves for doing job, and Windows by cheap workforce for taking money from sheeple. The result is clearly visible.

Peer-to-peer needs to be in person, to build connections.

No. You don't need to know your peer in person at all.

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