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Renzus 13 points ago +13 / -0

It's completely dead and shrinking. FANG is about all that exists anymore. People on forums like this and reddit just circle jerking the same stuff. This place has just that a bit more variety than the mainstream places. Even the deep web is questionable since their "hidden wikis" only contain a few dozen links.

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Skyrison 2 points ago +3 / -1

go to www.sitescroll.com

new place in the past 2 months and good discussion goes on over there. get off these reddit like sites. this just proves the "dead internet theory". since it's basically JUST LIKE REDDIT, but its NOT reddit.com LOL.

hilarious

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Renzus 1 point ago +1 / -0

The hundredth reason to abandon the internet.

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Renzus 3 points ago +3 / -0

Only problem is, it further silos us. Interactions where you see things that offend you and make you think will be nearly non-existent.

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Mrexreturns 9 points ago +9 / -0

Not since 2016 when Obama transferred it to the United Nations so it could become a globalist front?

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Renzus 9 points ago +9 / -0

Try any search term on google. You won't find more than 1,000 results despite them promising billions. By the last page, you see that it's a Potemkin Village.

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MindlessRationality 2 points ago +2 / -0

True! I discovered this years ago. I was searching and couldn't find a single topic which allowed me past 40-50 pages....it was such a sham. They are all duplicates...

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user20461 4 points ago +4 / -0

Just read about the Dead Internet Theory.

I know it's centered around bots and algorithms running most of the internet. I'd say that's true, but I still believe that there's still a lot of human interaction and discussion going on.

I'm of the personal belief that a lot of the mainstream sites are manipulated with discussion that is pushed by state governments.

We know this because we know China employs people and bots to manipulate public opinion in favor of the government. It's okay to talk about and report about China's evil and manipulative practices (at least for now). It's the states that are using it against us where it's tougher to find information, like the US and Israel.

Aside from governments pushing this practice, I have no doubts that corporations use this practice, as well.

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Europeade 3 points ago +3 / -0

It's just that A LOT of the human interaction has been gated into social media sites.

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MindlessRationality 4 points ago +4 / -0

I agree. I remember fondly searching around and discovering so much information and so many communities that were thriving and active but each unique and purposeful. The ads were barely there and if they were they were typify self hosted and directly managed.

The blogs (before the term was really a thing) were so much better. Hell...even the home websites on the universities were great....

IRC was a jungle and if you wanted to have DMs you could share your messenger or AOL....

Man I miss the golden internet. Centralisation ruined the culture of it.....that's what is missing in my opinion. A collection of cultures...now it's Echo chambers and monoculture everywhere. Even the wins kind of suffer because they feel like Reddit in a way.... monotonous

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Hand_Of_Node 1 point ago +1 / -0

There are users here who openly admit to having used reddit anytime since 2015. Worse, no one bullies them off the internet.

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Bye_Reddit 3 points ago +3 / -0

I agree, but I think it's more than just the internet. All forms of culture have come to a halt since the turn of the century. Prior to 2000, it seemed like every decade had its own set of styles and trends. Doesn't happen anymore.

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Europeade 2 points ago +2 / -0

Absolutely. It's WAY harder to find things I'm looking for today than it was 10 years ago. WAY harder. Sometimes impossible.

Like you say, bots, bad indexing, index gin propaganda / fake results, extremely heavy handed censor-ship, most communication has been gated into social media giants (forums used to be BIG BIG BIG - All replaced by social media shit).

Some elements of the internet are way cooler and works way better - but the internet as a knowledge sharing / gathering phenomena has declined so much it's almost unbearable.

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Skyrison 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yap. it's all been a big lie. everything is just the same shit, just circle around in a drain, coming out the other side from the same drain. sure, there will be some new things here and there from independent people, or people who start things...

but a lot of the stuff is just scripted fake shit

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MOCKxTHExCROSS 1 point ago +1 / -0

they certainly have AOLed the shit out of it

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SkullE 1 point ago +1 / -0

I remember playing a game where you were not allowed to touch the keyboard. Just site links to more links. To see where you'd end up at. Always ended up at a UFO site for some reason.

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braveContrarian 2 points ago +2 / -0

easier and harder. good luck getting the normie crowd to forget their mnemonics (yes as tech support ive had to make shortcuts to netflix.com)

sure the scripting languages and modern stuff make things so much easier than hacking away win32 C++ in notepad. but then again you have an increased feature-set to deal with. like sure i could write my own video streaming CMS system in a month or so (maybe less giving myself time),

but even then it wouldnt have near feature-parity with existing centralized sites (time sink) also the cost would be incredibly high in comparison to even try to compete.

and god forbid i actually threatened the major sites competitively in any way, id have the full force of fake laws thrown at me to remove me by any means necessary -- id essentially have to go as far as Alex Jones did, in mostly paying for my own base infrastructure and being my own ISP -- and that would just be as a defense against getting wiped out immediately by hosting and technology companies.

Id have to run my own hardware servers and everything soup to nuts, and program it all by my lonesome (and manage it all by my lonesome)

if doing it the way we did it back in 2003 was still "good enough" i could hack together a quick PHP/SQL or ASP/SQL CMS with a chat and forum system and everything, maybe even a shopping cart if i decided to be secure about that.

but then you have all that massive infrastructure cost as insurance, and the initial problem of getting normies to forget easy mnemonic sites and find yours.

the problem we're really up against is the inconvenience of old tech. we could STILL BE USING IRC. its just not profitable to centralize that for free and not control the servers, so you get discord instead.

and if you dont get the normie crowd -- you're left with the same old tech savvy crowd alone and thats that.

its gotten even worse since AIs now pre-buy any good domain long before any human purchases it to intentionally drive up prices.

when i did this, video streaming didnt exist yet, bandwidth wasnt that bad, it cost $5 a year for a domain and there were only humans guessing what would be profitable names or easy to remember, meaning you could get $5 banger deals on amazing names.

people using the internet were still satisfied with decentralized forums and chat systems by and large.

ultimately the problem in technology is not the available technology, but the sheer size and scope of centralized 'big tech', combined with a target-audience shift that happened around the time video games shifted over into becoming BS.

it was when the core-nerd demographic got audience swapped with the massive normie audience that was the ultimate problem that enabled big-tech.

i mean like, i have every single IT acronym memorized even in fields i dont bother to ever work in by rote. for me i dont need to remember netflix.com. 99% of old people at best buy and actual baby boomers or normies that wouldnt use computers in past periods though? they have a hard time remembering youtube.

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Leporidae 1 point ago +1 / -0

Everything you're saying is true, and half of it is the point I really wanted to make but was too lazy to do.

The fun "wild west" internet we remember from 20+ years ago, is still there, in a way. Back then you could put up a website with whatever information you wanted, and you could participate in the forums without the fear of rampant mobs of SJWs and mainstream media "journalists" wanting to burn your house down for failing to kowtow to whatever new craziness was the hot topic of the day. Everyone involved were reasonably technical people, and the normies were nowhere to be seen.

Today, in addition to that, we also have enormous, well-lit, highly polished, user friendly sheep pens for the masses, where the global normie population is guided into to consuming the narrative and posting pictures of their breakfasts as well as their genitals, and argue wildly as long as they stay inside the Overton window like good little boys and girls. Anyone who fail to say "baah" in either of the permitted ways, is ejected from the pens.

If you ignore all the mainstream systems, what's left is the internet of old. You can still run an irc server and write and host whatever sites you and your peers want - and that is far easier today than it was back then. As long as you don't get an audience larger than what you could have had those 20 years ago, you will be fine - but if you try to reach and threaten the gated communities of big tech, the powers that be will strike you down. Back then you couldn't reach the normies because they weren't on the internet, and today you can't reach them because the global cabal still has global control of them.

I don't think we can have it both ways. Reaching the mainstream isn't about making a good or fun or necessary product, it's about being part of the right club. That's how it was then, and it's how it is now, even though all the details have changed.

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Turtlew0rk 1 point ago +1 / -0

There is still porn at least.