Thanks to everyone who voted. Our featured documentary is:
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9/11 Alchemy - Facing Reality (bitchute)
Since this was was my suggestion, and it's proving to be a somewhat controversial one, here's a "short" intro / justification for my wanting to bring it to people's attention:
This film could be described as an alternative documentary to the mainstream of 9/11 truth. It is not a replacement for a documentary such as “September 11: The New Pearl Harbor”, which I hold in high regard of and recommend that everyone should see.
However. "9/11 Alchemy" explores in depth anomalous evidence that NPH and other 9/11 documentaries don’t. It also considers some evidence that NPH does cover, but does not go into much depth by way of hazarding an explanation e.g. the technical impossibility of maneuvers made by the Boeing 757 / 767 planes on 9/11.
The possibility that advanced optical holographic projection was utilized on 9/11 is considered in this documentary, in light of the publicly available R&D documentation of the technology. R&D for this technology was well funded and sought-after as long as 30 years prior to 9/11, and is likely developed to a far higher standard than is known to the general public or commercially available, since the target market was military application. One early stated, seemingly realistic aim of using this tech in a military setting was to convince an enemy that an optical holographic projection of a plane was the real deal.
Also explored in the film is the strong evidence for the use of an exotic, directed-energy, black technology, based on “zero point” energy generation, to "dustify" the World Trade Centre buildings. This evidence is also documented in great detail in the book "Where Did The Towers Go?" by Dr. Judy Wood, a pdf of which is available for download in our wiki.
Since the latter technology produces similar effects to some of those seen during hurricanes/tornadoes, the strange behaviour of Hurricane Erin on 9/11 is addressed, and how the weather conditions over New York in the 24 hours prior to the morning of 9/11 could have been conducive to the use of this technology, and potentially contributed, by design.
For a basic operating outline of a smaller scale form of this technology, please see this brief explanation. What's described in that article was achieved with second hand, decommissioned Naval machinery and no more than domestic, mains electricity.
Another concern of the film is addressing the claims of certain 9/11 researchers. One might be mistaken in believing these would be comrades of those who seriously consider the possibility of that hidden technologies were used on 9/11. The researchers concerned make claims of camera trickery on the day, and claims of there being “no planes”.
However their claims do not hold up to scrutiny, as demonstrated in the film, and it must be seriously considered that their aim is to obscure, muddle or muddy the narrative for people who are seeking the truth. They are hostile to the proponents of the issues considered in this film.
If this is your first foray into 9/11 truth, this film may not be for you; it might be better to start with “September 11: A New Pearl Harbor”. However, the issues covered by this film should be of concern to anyone who has spent time looking into the truth of 9/11, even if they seem controversial, “bat-shit insane” or “woo” on the surface.
The people who have come to dominate the 9/11 truth movement actively censor mention of the issues covered in this film, and more often than not resort to ad hominem attack, among other logical fallacies, when dealing with these issues and with those who discuss them or are proponents of them. This was something I noticed years ago before I ever looked into the topics covered in this film properly; It concerned me and eventually led me to want to give a fair hearing to what was being unfairly suppressed.
Direct energy weapons may be a discussion today for things like Beirut, but the technology was not viable in 2001. The towers were brought down be explosives in the core of the building. Wired by the front org ACE elevator company/Mossad as an eleborate insurance scheme, insider trading, and a pretext to go to war in the middle east for the Greater Israel Project as well as further monitor Americans through the use of the Patriot act that was pre-written for the event.
When you start talking about DEWS and no planes, it kind of discredits the 9/11 truth movement imo. It’s like the flat earth society to FE’ers. Not calling anyone down if that’s the story they want to roll with but I am just being straight. There is a video of the second plane strike when a husband and wife go “What is that?! OH MY GOD!” As they watch the second plane coming in.
I don't dispute that people saw planes. Nor does the maker of this film. Almost everyone there that day and looking up saw planes. They are on video, and they were recorded live, not added later. The claim is that in reality they were extremely powerful and advanced optical holographics, developed military use. Some of the reasons for thinking so are covered in the film.
The technology potentially used to destroy the towers was independently demonstrated to be possible, and to work, many times by Canadian John Hutchison, on a much smaller scale than 9/11, from the mid 70's onwards. He was trying to recreate the experiments of Nikola Tesla by studying photographs of Tesla's laboratory and obtaining and/or building machinery that Tesla had. One would imagine Tesla documented his process and discoveries in his papers, but, as you may or may not know, upon his death, Tesla's papers were confiscated by the US gov, specifically by Donald Trump's uncle. Nikola Tesla did publicly describe this destructive force which he had discovered, and how he experimented successfully with it. He gave a dire warning about it's capabilities.
The main truth movement is heavily influenced by, and potentially under the control of "controlled opposition" agents. Alleged evidence of explosives/thermate is weak, yet it is touted as iron clad by Steven Jones and others.
The evidence for the use of an exotic energy technology is much stronger, and in abundance, and yet it is ridiculed and censored by them, without rational response.
Steven Jones has a history of suppressing research into "zero point" energy (LENR - low energy nuclear reaction - the energy source used for the destruction of the WTC) in his career as a USGov, DOE-funded scientist at the Los Alamos National Laboratory. The dude glows.
Wtc 7 was destroyed from the bottom. It was a text book controlled demolition. How do laser beams from space destroy the bottom of the building first? I'm sorry but you've been taken in by lunatic fringe theories aka flat earth designed deliberately to discredit all legitimate questions.
WTC7 may have looked like a "text book" controlled demolition at the moment of it's collapse, but the collapse of the towers did not, and the physical evidence for "text book" controlled demolition is weak.
It's based reports of the sound of explosions (not captured on any footage that I've seen, not like the boom boom boom we hear in footage of other controlled demolitions); and also on microscopic bits of metal in the rubble, that anyway one could expect to be there regardless, since the buildings themselves were composed of those same metals.
Also, the chain of custody of the evidence (the dust) in which Steven Jones found his "microspheres" was not maintained or logged. It's a "trust me bro" type of situation.
What is covered in the film has nothing to do with flat earth or lasers (or mazers or plasmoids), and no serious proponent of LENR or DEW is a flat earther, nor am I.
Nor is there some requirement for a DEW to be operated from space.
You are making the same mistake that the blue-pilled do, when they believe what they're told on the news without researching it for themselves.
Suppression of the success of this type of "quantum vacuum" energy creation, or low energy nuclear reaction, is a conspiracy with far-reaching consequences. The cover-up has been very successful, but 9/11 is evidence of it's utilisation.
The towers came down from the top down because that was the only way to do it semi-safely. They didnt want to take a chance of tipping them over. So the buildings get imploded from the top down in sections. You’d only need 10 or so rows of charges in the core. When you set off charges from the bottom up in a slim core building like that, you risk damaging your det cord other charges leading to failure and having the tower tip over. They don’t set charges on the exterior, the core pulls everything down and in.
Larry wanted them gone becuase of asbestos and a new WTC7, but couldn’t foot the bill and implosions of a building that size would never be allowed in NYC. They must disassemble it top down. So take the cost of an implosion style demolition, and multiply that by 500 and you have your cost to mechanically demo a building like that. Now you also find a way to get 4 BILLION in insurance money to pay for the new ones as a little cherry on top.
I think Larry was late to the plan, not that he isn't complicit in everything because he is. But he bought the buildings when it was a known secret that they were asbestos infested and largely redundant. He knew before he bought them that the buildings that would cost twice what he paid to bring up to code. After purchasing he immediately took out terrorist attack insurance. As soon as that was granted the attacks then took place. It was quite clearly planned, and he knew it was going to happen, but there's no way to judge if he organized it or was involved with that. It's possible he ran in the circles where there imminent destruction was known about. If his buying was part of the plan or not is unclear to me. He may have been an opportunist. Or it may be related to making sure that the planners had complete control of the site after the destruction and clean up, through Larry's ownership, to manage it in some specific way.
The speed at which they came down tends to contradict this. The top of the building met no resistance at all as it fell. Everything below it was already on the same path of destruction as it and so it was not obstructed. The face of the buildings are already peeling away like a banana as the top descends, and there is no impedance to the top's falling from the interior structure. The entire moment is incredibly "smooth" for buildings that size, aside the massive volumes of clouds and dust, and dissimilar to any controlled demolition I've seen a video of. The buildings fall at the same speed as an object that were thrown off the top of one of them and plummeted directly to the ground.
That’s because the spine of the building was removed in a handful of shots timed milliseconds apart. The top of the building was slightly weakened by the plane and fires, once the first charge goes off if begins its fall. You can see this by the antenna falling inward first before the outer steel walls. One two or three charges/sections are blasted, the weight of the building does most of the destruction as it free falls at full speed pulling itself apart.
I am not talking out of my ass here, I run a 45ton excavator and do industrial building demos, no explosives but I know physics and building egineering. It pays my bills. If you can show me a DEW in live action irrefutably in 2021, I will give your theory some more consideration but the feat that day would have been, and was imo, done via implosion of traditional means. In my honest opinion, the building was built in such a way as they knew how they wanted to take it down one day. It was designed to be imploded in that manner.
Watching it basically live on TV that day, it struck me, in my youth, as a controlled demolition.
I also believe it was a controlled demolition. I just don't think it was a typical one, that is was unlike any that have happened or been recorded before. I didn't think this originally, but once it was pointed out to me I saw it.
Watched your video. I don't fault any of the logic.
The video does appear just as it did to me two decades ago. Gives me new perspective. Thanks for sharing.
People can't see to get their head around nano thermate. It would be like saying, yeah the building collapsed and turned to dust but the dust just happened to turn into a microchip. After all there were silicone and other constituent elements for microchips in there. The nano thermate was an extremely high end material mixed at the nano level. There were only a few labs in the world in 2001 capable of manufacturing such a material. It was also highly explosive, which regular thermite is not, it's more of an incendiary. It should have been an open and shut case. Contact the relevant companies, find out who they supplied in large quantities. But Jones was shut down, forced out of the university. The case could have been followed up upon, but like the financial aspect of 9/11 was deliberately ignored by the relevant agencies in government. Yes the 'chain of custody' of the material could have been better, but the issue was looked at like 5 years after 9/11. But I don't believe that Jones was the only scientist to study the material and come to such conclusions. But even if Jones didn't exist there is plenty of evidence for controlled demolition and bombs, from countless eye witnesses testimony etc. Ie the lobbies of the buildings were literally blown up before the towers collapsed, that is on video. In a controlled demolition they usually weaken the building by cutting up to 20% of the core columns before the implosion takes place. These buildings have massive structural redundancy.
Dude, Jones is an agent. You definitely should know this.
He sabotaged Pons and Fleischmann during the cold fusion debacle.
Jones was tasked with pushing the thermite red herring. He's the most glowing of ALL 9/11 researchers.
Thermite is a "red herring" but holograms TOTALLY did everything?
This is why we are the laughing stock of the internet. Because mods would rather push their inflation fetish flat earth garbage and shit on real evidence.
The more you claim viruses are "fake news" and explosions are "fake news" and earth itself is "fake news" the more disjointed we become. Our enemies are getting exactly what they want when you do shit like this. How can you not see that?
How about we have evidence instead of an internet slapping match like faggots on twitter?
i agree jones (BH) is an agent but my guess is that makes thermite more plausible since his role is to tell the truth but to do it in such a distasteful way that it turns normies off
Just saying that doesn't make it true. Just like screaming "the earth is flat!!!!!!" doesn't make it true.
Would you stop making things up about "metal shards " and address the actual issues?
agreed.
https://www.spikeartmagazine.com/articles/one-work-gelatins-b-thing
Here are pictures of mossad agents in the towers with pallets and pallets and pallets full of industrial switches. Switches which, theoretically, could be used to rig ordinance to fire in a controlled manner, exactly as needed to take down a tower of this size.
Do you have anything comparable to that with these alleged "holograms"?
Have you never heard the mossad agents (dancing Israelis) confess?
Why does everything you say sound like disinfo and why do you refuse to defend it?
I'd like to see evidence direct energy weapons could even destroy a single brick, let alone a building. The amount of theoretical energy required alone makes it impossible. There are legitimate questions about what actually hit the pentagon. I mean the fbi immediately confiscated the cctv footage from the hotel and gas station across the road if I recall. Then they only ever released a few frames none of which showed a plane, let alone a commercial airliner. The wtc buildings were a different story. The event was obviously designed for maximum visual impact destroying some of the most recognisable buildings in the world. Every TV camera and home video camera was pointed at those buildings. If the buildings exploded without planes it would have been seen on hundreds of home videos. These don't exist, the theory isn't just garbage, it's actually insane. Any kind of 3d holographic projection is also nuts, it can't be done today it couldn't be done then. Videos like September clues are obviously quite high budget productions. I consider them deliberate disinformation designed to discredit the entire 9/11 movement. And it's obviously working, it's got the dullards fooled and us wasting time talking about completely unprovable fringe theories when there is a mountain of hard evidence against the official story.
Bruh they've been fucking with this high tech since Tesla.
If you unironically believe we didn't have this tech in 2001, you have about 100+ years of hidden history to catch up on.
https://youtu.be/FNt7s_Wed_4
Here is general Wesley Clark proving the wars following 911 were pre-planned.
Since the mere mention of exotic technology on 9/11 is AGGRESSIVELY attacked on all corners of the internet, here's incontrovertible evidence that some form of directed energy weaponry was deployed that day:
Where Did the Towers Go? Evidence of Directed Energy Technology on 9/11
Looking forward to this doc, thanks OP!
There were no Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11. We have the evidence of military-grade nano-thermite in the concrete rubble. We have the testimony of witnesses who saw explosions in the basement before the collapse. We have the witness testimony of the unprecedented security systems power-down in the week before 9/11 when the bombs were installed.
If we're going to recommend a documentary it should be only
911 Mysteries
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vV9ND1BqDk
and Loose Change
Here is another fantastic documentary that was produced shortly after 9/11. A lot of this information has been memory-holed.
MOHAMED ATTA AND THE VENICE FLYING CIRCUS
https://www.bitchute.com/video/KyC5BfJlUtdw/
why not both
totally agree. this far out shit is unnecessary when a perfectly good explanation (thermite) has been verified by a/e
At this point, if you don't realize that multiple causes brought down the towers, you're a shill or useful idiot.
Why tf are you unironically saying it's "proof" no directed energy weapons were used because allegedly nano-thermite was found and bombs went off?
It's the most obviously short-sighted and blatantly fallacious argument conceivable, which is why I think you're more than merely a useful idiot.
There is almost never one "correct" answer for a conspiracy.
They planted bombs, they used thermite, and they employed directed energy weapons.
Evidence of one of these methods does NOT eliminate the others.
Idiot.
my opinion is, what does it matter what tech was used, it was a FALSE FLAG, and needs to be addressed in this light
Your numbered sources just link back to the same post. Maybe links are broken? I for real want some actual evidence of "holograms on 911".
The technology doesn't exist. You can't project into thin air without a medium to reflect back upon. Let alone creating a moving object that appears correctly from all angles and distances. Believing in this kind of technology in the absence of any evidence it even exists is akin to believing in santa or the tooth fairy.
i agree. why tf would they go through all that trouble when they could just get some old planes, hook them up to remote control, and drone them into the buildings to provide cover for the thermite explosives? this seems like a distraction and a stupid one. if nothing else you are going to lose supporters by claiming this unnecessary far out shit. they dont need space tech to bring these buildings down just the tried and true way of controlled demo
BUILDING 7.
go fuck yourself until anyone can explain building 7.
Being an inside job is enough of a conspiracy. Why do we need holograms and projectors when we know we have drone technology? No one has to be flying a plane in the plane when it can be done remotely. No one in the plane means maneuvers that would cause a pilot to black out or red out can be done safely and without worry.
Removing all important materiel from the towers days prior and planting demo charges then having drone planes fly into them to change the national narrative is all that had to happen that day.
What was the major news story on 9/10? What happened before this? Why does no one remember this shit? Bush was elected, people complained it wasn’t legitimate(man is that part of history repeating a drag), and all of that went away in a moment of burning reichstag I mean WTC.
You don’t use a sledge hammer when a tack hammer will do. You don’t use a shopping cart to move groceries from your fridge to your table. You don’t use a directed energy weapon when conventional explosives do the job with less effort and requirement for secrecy.
It's scrutiny of the documentation and evidence that led people to hypothesize DEW originally. it was observed (over a couple of years) by Dr. Judy Wood, that affected sample objects and materials from experiments with directed energy (on a much smaller scale) were similar in many regards to documentation, reports and evidence from 9/11
It may not be an accurate analogy between a bigger & smaller hammer and DEW and explosives. Using the DEW could actually be the smaller, more discrete physical operation, especially if you already have access to the technology (I don't think this technology was developed specifically for this task.) If it is advanced enough, and it appears that it was/is:
Using it potentially required less effort than a conventional demolition, whereby the building is rigged with tons of explosives by a large team of expert workers, with careful, time-consuming co-ordination needed throughout the fit-out and on the day.
Using it potentially needed less people to be involved: no one needed to drag in and carefully rig the many tons of necessary explosives; no demolition crew needed to be paid and monitored to make sure they kept quiet (or murdered to keep them quiet); less people needed to know. The secrecy was already established, since the tech was developed in secret.
Using it also appears to have brought down the buildings far more efficiently and neatly (small rubble pile) than explosives ever could have, and largely preserved Lower Manhattan in the process.
If you want to push this insane argument you might want to prove the technology even exists. Good luck with that.
This shit was being used in grocery stores to sell bananas over a decade ago:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KjsT_s5eWhI
Everyone is well aware of the cuban embassy attacks:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_syndrome
How can you play so aggressively dumb over the existence of the technology much less its historical uses?
WTF are you retarded? This has nothing to do with holograms or laser beams from space.
These are both examples of DEWs you inbred moron, which are what you denied the existence of.
LOL. These people are claiming that DEWS can evaporate buildings. Literally turn millions of tonnes of steel and concrete into dust. There is nothing magic about focusing audio in a small beam.
what’s another word for focused? Directed? And what’s another word for “audio”? Energy? Huh so we have here “directed”(focused) “energy” (audio) to cause harm? Hmmmmmmm golly sounds a heck of a lot like commercial/russian knock offs of an actual military technology...
Using the one word "technology" isn't the best description, I've just been using it out of laziness. It's a range of effects resulting from intersecting fields of radio frequency, micro waves and static electricity. The various technologies used to create those fields obviously exist. And some how when mixed they can produce such effects on "solid" objects:
There are various videos (of differing, 80's- 90's video quality) of John Hutchinson's experiments online, such as this one of a block of iron. The room where the experiments take place is filled with equipment surrounding the test area producing the above mentioned fields.
Similar effects were seen on 9/11, but at a much larger scale.
Independent observers saw John's experiments, and filmed some of them for themselves. People these days tend to claim the videos were faked, but don't explain how they were faked. There was clearly a campaign to discredit him once his work started to become known. It wasn't difficult to achieve that since he is a kook, and not a "professional scientist".
He didn't invent or discover these effects though. As I stated earlier, he was trying to mimic the work Tesla did, and he did so completely independently, using de-commissioned, second-hand Naval equipment and machines that he repaired himself, and Tesla coils that he made.
HERE is a post I made on reddit a year ago that has as many video examples of his experiments as I could find online at the time. Be warned, the videos are from long before the days of high res.
LOL if those effects were real, there would be large scientific papers written about these principles. People would be able to replicate these experiments. Relying on this to explain how the towers fell ... lol. Good god man. This reminds me of the many fake free energy devices on youtube.
This is an assumption that observation doesn't support. There are indeed books and research papers written about these principles, on-going, but they had to/have to be done independently. The world of scientific research is controlled and corrupted by misanthropes with no ethics. Large scientific studies need funding and the support of large institutions, peer-review, journal publications etc. These are largely denied to any research that strays into this area. All work done in this area tends to be on the fringe and independently financed for that reason.
Not everyone is a misanthrope though, some just flatly deny the reality of what is captured on video, in Hutchison's experiments, on 9/11; Mostly because it contradicts the Gospel of Einstein and the teachings of other "Esteemed Elders". There has been a big brainwash on for a long time, through institutionalized education. Young minds taught from early on which direction they may go and which direction they may not. Certain things are deemed impossible based on assumption, and others deemed to be absolutely certain based on theory and hypothesis i.e. with no actual evidence, or even when there is only contradictory evidence!
I don't know why any one has faith in the scientific research world or assumes that big, paradigm shifting discoveries would be embraced. A study of history demonstrates that paradigm shifting discoveries are generally abhorrent to the scientific establishment.
The psychological block is also intentionally maintained and encouraged, probably by those groups who have been funding/developing/perfecting the use of field interference effects (and other black technologies):
How The Patent Office Suppresses Free Energy Technology
Another example of how the patent system is used to suppress, or steal, valuable or game changing technology or discoveries from private individuals or businesses: someone posted the other day how all social media is based on code stolen from a patent submission.
If WTC7 was text book controlled demolition. Why would you need magical hypothetical technology to bring it down? Makes no sense.
I speculate that they (whoever) didn't need it, but already had it. Perhaps it was simpler and more controlled to use it, rather than physically rigging and triggering explosives in the buildings. Maybe some explosives were used or required too. Maybe explosives were used as back up on WTC 7 to finish it off.
It could be that they used the exotic technology simply because they had it, to "secretly" demonstrate it in public, to experiment with it, and at the same time mock society at large.
All this hinges on the unknown DEW being small enough, portable enough and discreet enough to be taken close enough to the location, used, and removed without being noticed, photographed etc.
A large team isn’t required to plant the explosives and they also have the benefit of setting this up weeks or months ahead of time and hiding charges in places requiring extra clearance, etc. Unless the DEW is flown around in a c-130 like a spectre gunship, getting it in and out seems rather complicated. We know the military has BUDS school, you’ve had marines trained in demo since ww2. It’s not inconceivable to me to send in a black ops team that’s done similar ops around the world to do the job in New York.
Hell I still wonder how a plane that supposedly flew mostly though the tower didn’t have enough momentum to cause the top to fall off in the direction of the plane travel and fall off leaving the top gone and the rest standing. Why free fall straight down?
Does anyone here understand what "holograms" are? It's a projection. So, what exactly are they projecting off of?
I hate when I miss these suggestions and flat earth garbage like this makes the cut.
How can clementine and I have a conversation when he refuses to answer my questions about "viruses are dead cells and soap bubbles" in the first documentary?
You, Clem, have some good posts. Nothing that couldn't be feigned, of course. I was starting to think I've been to hard on you with the whole "asking for evidence or any rationale to why you would believe what you do". And then you come with this complete horse shit of a documentary.
And axo, being "aggressively attacked" doesn't lend credence to your argument. Jeffrey Epstein was "aggressively attacked" and he got a sweatheart deal a decade ago. This is leftist mentality. This is "anyone who criticisms BLM is a racist!" Mentality. Straighten up
I have seen, in person, incredibly realistic projections several times in my life, as far back as the 1980s. In all cases, I could not tell what was the projector. The only explanation for that technology not being commercialized is that it is under a secrecy order. I assume that in the late 80s all commercial applications were forbidden. They want us to believe that holograms are fiction, since then we cannot disbelieve our eyes.
If lucky Larry was going to buy wtc then he had to do his homework into their value. So he knew they were a liability as they were not up to code. But he bought then anyways because he had some sort of plan, knowing others would help him out. Otherwise he would have stayed clear of the wtc.
What about a cost/effect ratio? What would be stopping them from using conventional weapons? Why would they bother covering up evidence when EXPLOSIONS ARE PRETTY GOOD AT THAT?
there's no logic to any of it. Flat Earth fucking garbage, get out of here with this shit.
The more you downvote my comments without discourse, my darling clementine, the more you're proving yourself to be full of shit.
I've tried talking to you before. It's pointless.
That's not my experience.
I ask for evidence evidence that "viruses are soap bubbles and dead cells" and you either ignore it or act like I'm attacking you.
Literally all you can do is point to documentaries and tell me to watch 30 hours of garbage. At that point it becomes clear you either have no idea or no interest in talking about the ideas you're pushing. I note this is a tried and true flat earther playbook.
Can everyone at least recognize it's highly unpalatable to normies or even people who wash in from patriots for the mods to be screaming "germs are fake news" and "explosions are fake news" and "the earth is fake news" with absolutely no evidence to back that up?
I don't think discourse is ever pointless. I think it would expose your agenda. It's "pointless" to your agenda, whatever that is.
I dunno man, I researched it myself, and I can say that I find no proof viruses exist.
That no flight paths go near the south pole is concerning.
I mean, you don't have to pick a side, just admit where the evidence has a proper chain of custody. Where we can really rely on facts. Complaining that you would have to learn stuff to understand stuff doesn't really help your case.
You just make shit up and then say that i said it. Pretty sick of your bullshit TBH.
I think it's funny clementine downvotes my evidence of mossad agents while claiming "the evidence is weak" fucking lol
The mossad agent evidence is partial. I don't think anyone is saying they didn't exist, but there is no reason to believe they were the only part of the equation. They could have been separate, or complementary.