Since I've been silenced on reddit, I'd like to take the opportunity to respond to this unfortunate article about me from the daily dot:
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/r-conspiracy-axolotl-peyotl-banned-reddit/
This article is now being cited elsewhere:
https://gizmodo.com/reddit-bans-r-conspiracy-moderator-and-r-donaldtrump-1846021265
Let's address it piece by piece:
Reddit admins said the action came after "repeated violations of our content policy."
The only notices of "violations" I've received from the reddit admins in 10+ years on the site are the following:
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A few years ago I used the phrase "shoot the messenger" when describing a whistleblower's unjust punishment. I was told using this phrase was a "call to violence."
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Shortly before the 2020 election, reddit banned ZeroHedge and TheGatewayPundit site-wide. I used an archived link to a ZH article and apparently this triggered a 7-day suspension which was given one day before the election. This effectively cut me off from my community at /r/conspiracy during the post-election fallout. In retrospect, I believe the timing of this suspension on the eve of the election was deliberate.
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On the 6th I shared a tweet from a blue check calling the events a "Constitutional" demonstration. Admins cited it as a "call to violence."
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One of my last threads on the morning of my permanent suspension was called "Night of Digital Long Knives: They're coming for us next"...probably one of my more prophetic threads. Admins said it was a "call to violence" and immediately suspended my account. Here's the thread:
https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/ksj8dg/night_of_the_digital_long_knives_theyre_coming/
I was definitely banned for wrongthink, and it was a long time coming...but more pressingly I was banned for ITALYGATE.
https://conspiracies.win/p/11RhKDYFUp/i-may-have-been-banned-from-redd/c/
I had pinned an Italygate thread at the top of /r/conspiracy for several days, and I'm convinced it resulted in "reddit conspiracies" being evoked on the Senate floor:
https://conspiracies.win/p/11RhOrwR07/this-footage-from-the-senate-got/c/
Here's the reddit thread that got me banned from reddit and removed as top moderator of /r/conspiracy:
https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/krozz6/italygate_obama_and_renzi_former_pm_of_italy/
Here's a post I made before my reddit ban when I noted that what was happening to that thread was stranger than anything I'd seen in 10+ years on reddit:
https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/ksfsi8/the_voting_comments_and_awards_on_the_pinned/
Let's get back to the hit piece from the daily dot.
The ban came hours after Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.) called out “Reddit conspiracy theories” following the Capitol riot.
When those words came out of her mouth, /r/conspiracy collectively said "uh oh." The reddit admins ONLY act when they get negative press, and this was about as bad as it gets. Either they nuke the sub, or they cut off its head. They chose the latter. I'm grateful the sub didn't get the ax, but I fear it's merely operating on bought time.
By trying to overturn this election, they are placing more trust in Reddit conspiracy theories over the Constitution
It's my firm belief that Sen. Duckworth was trying to "get ahead" of the Italygate story, as my pinned thread was attracting more attention than any thread I'd ever made (30 awards and counting when it was removed).
There's no other recent "reddit conspiracy" that was getting as much attention to warrant that phrase being mentioned by a Senator.
r/conspiracy has remained a haven for fringe ideas
I'm SHOCKED, I tell you, that a conspiracy forum discusses fringe ideas. SHOCKED.
particularly those from the far-right.
Ah, the ol appeal to the "far right" boogeyman. /r/conspiracy is/was a forum dedicated to the free flow of ideas and information.
When reddit started systematically silencing every community that was even slightly right of center, I was always confused at the "outrage" when very predictably some of these voices came to /r/conspiracy so they could still have their voices heard. Did they think they would just shut up and go away?
Axolotl_Peyotl often shared this type of content
What "type of content"? Fringe? Well duh. I post about anti-gravity, ancient civilizations with high technology, etc. It's a CONSPIRACY forum. Hello.
with many of his recent posts promoting election fraud conspiracies.
Again, SHOCKING that someone interested in conspiracies would post conspiracy theories about an election rife with conspiracy. HEY READER, ARE YOU NOT OUTRAGED?!
In a final message to r/conspiracy, he pushed “Italygate,” which baselessly purports the election was fixed by an international coalition that includes President Barack Obama and a former Italian prime minister.
I "pushed" it did I? "Baseless" you say? The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
The move was also denounced by a number of commenters, some of whom called it “censorship.”
If you sort the stickied announcement thread on /r/conspiracy by "controversial", they're saying much more than just that:
"The only reason axo was banned is Italygate. They're doing this today because he stickied one of the most damaging leak ever."
"He seriously gets banned after his italygate post? Are you guys blind to what is going on?"
However, others cheered Reddit’s actions
So that wasn't cheering. That was a well-coordinated, site-wide digital lynching, even by reddit's standards. It's still ongoing. In the many threads rejoicing at my ousting, you will find thousands of TOS violations directed against me, included calls to violence and to doxx me and my family.
In many ways what happened to me was a scaled-down version of what transpired with Trump literally the next day. As above, so below. They cut me off from communicating with my forum and prevented me from defending myself in the ensuing chaos, while the rabid masses cheered in their state-sanctioned 2 minutes hate.
saying the former head moderator had a documented penchant for banning those who disagreed with him
She actually cites a Top Minds of Reddit thread for this, one of the most notoriously toxic forums in the history of the internet, and that's not ever hyperbole. What this claim fails to address is that the vast majority of accounts that I banned were all serial violators of the rules of our sub (or alt accounts evading their bans). In the many threads celebrating my removal, multiple users admitted I had banned "dozens" of their alt accounts, a clear violations of reddit's TOS and vindication for my efforts.
We have a really transparent process when it comes to bans. EVERY user banned is given an opportunity to appeal the action before the entire /r/conspiracy mod team. We frequently unban users who pledge to follow the rules of our forum...it's not a difficult process in the slightest.
The idea that I was solely responsible for whether or not people could speak on our forum is absurd on its face, and the fact that this "journalist" used TMOR as a source unironically is peak clown world journalism.
and elevating those who shared his often-extreme views.
Here she links a ridiculous article from a few years ago that I will address in another thread that essentially accuses me of being a Russian agent for not being convinced by Russiagate as a conspiracy theorist. They never forgave the conspiracy theorists for refusing to jump on board the "muh Russia" hysteria, so they went the "CT=domestic terrorist" route instead.
In a post on r/SubredditDrama sharing the news
Ah, so "sharing the news" means "hundreds of comments threatening and even calling for the user's arrest" now. I've lost track of the number of these unhinged individuals who claim to have "reported me to the authorities/FBI". FOR WHAT?!? These people...
She then quotes a random user on SubredditDrama, as if he was some sort of authority:
axolotl_peyotl was far right
Not true. In 2016 I was on record multiple times saying I would've supported Tulsi Gabbard over Trump. I was portrayed as "far right" like most conspiracy theorists in 2016 when I didn't immediately believe that Trump was in on some massive conspiracy with Russia.
I also was portrayed as "far right" because I had the audacity to allow right leaning opinions on /r/conspiracy as top mod. Apparently permitting speech equates with endorsing it. What happened to the notion of agreeing with someone's opinion but still defending their right to express it?
extreme pro-Trump
...see the above. I allowed pro-Trump content on /r/conspiracy and I questioned Russiagate. That's all it took to earn that label, apparently.
anti-vaxx
I'll admit I'm skeptical of most vaccines and at what age children receive them. I composed two megathreads called "The Skeptic's Guide to Vaccines" several years ago, but I included a disclaimer saying they were NOT meant as medical advice, and no where did I say you shouldn't get vaccinated at all. It's about being informed. I'm skeptical of the increasingly aggressive vaccine schedule, and I think the COVID vaccine is completely unnecessary, so if that makes me "anti-vaxx" then so be it.
anti-Semitic
Completely false. This is the same trap they lay for every conspiracy theorist that questions Israel...you're immediately labeled "anti-semitic." I barely even mention Israel these days because of it.
Six years ago, axolotl_peyotl took heat for stickying a pro-Hitler documentary to the top of the subreddit
Ah, the "Greatest Story Never Told" saga. Here's what actually happened: as /r/conspiracy mod, one of my projects was a weekly "featured documentary" where the community would spend a few days voting for a film to be pinned for a sub-wide discussion.
I've stickied many hundreds of films over the years because of this, and indeed on every wide-eyed, high octane conspiracy imaginable. At the time I recognized the optics on pinning the that film weren't the best, but it's a consequential conspiratorial film no matter what way you look at it, and I didn't feel it was my place to simply "decide" as a /r/conspiracy moderator that it didn't deserve its time in the sun to be simply discussed, especially since it was actually what was voted up by the community.
He also faced accusations of banning users for disagreeing with an anti-vax stance
The "source" for this is literally a google search for "axolotl_peyotl vax"...smh.
and trawling through user histories to find reasons to ban them.
This person is laughably incompetent if they're legitimately oblivious as to how moderating internet forums works.
If we see a user violating one of our rules, it's literally our job to check their history to see if they have a history of rule breaking on our sub. Does this woman think that every new comment made is a clean slate?
If you have dozens of rule violations, you get banned, and we have to go through your history to check. Reddit makes it easy too...comments that have been removed by mods in the past are red, so you can simply scroll down quickly through a user's history that's currently under review.
If a significant portion of their user page is RED, they've had a ton of recent rule violations and that's a very strong indicator they aren't operating in good faith.
Axolotl_Peyotl has also weighed in on his mod removal and suspension on conspiracies.win, another conspiracy-minded site he’s been pushing on Reddit for the past month.
I wasn't "pushing" it, I knew I was about to get fucked by the admins and I made sure to have a contingency plan in place, that everybody knew about it, and that it was publicly linked to me (and not an impostor).
Looks like getting conspiracies.win up and running when I did was a pretty darn smart thing to do.
(quoting me): “There's already considerable more freedom at conspiracies.win...like a breath of fresh air."
Amen and awomen!
For those familiar with r/The_Donald, this might all sound familiar—mods on that subreddit similarly used Reddit to launch their own .win site, where conspiracy theories now run rampant.
I've been warning folks for years that the "conspiracy theorists" were going to become the new "domestic terrorists."
I tried my absolute hardest to keep /r/conspiracy from being consumed by the clutches of the aggressively pernicious conformity that has consumed the rest of reddit.
I made sure to allow even the most unpopular opinions and conspiracies, and as a result in the eyes of the mob that meant I explicitly endorsed those conspiracies.
I was a fluke. I was in the right place at the right time. I wasn't supposed to get into the position that I did, and I tried to make the most of it when I had the chance. I wasn't always right, but I always did what I thought was right, and my conscience is clear in that respect.
I was among the most, if not the most, harassed and brigaded account on reddit in the last few years. Entire communities were dedicated to burying all of my threads and comments, and engaging in regular witch-hunts and slander against me and anyone who dared defend me. There are many thousands of threads dedicated to mocking, harassing, and brigading my content.
The reddit admins explicitly condoned and even augmented this behavior.
I firmly believe there is an MSM-worthy news story in there somewhere if the actual details of this coordination were ever revealed...not just against me but against many users across reddit.
I spent more than 10 years of my life on that place, and I poured my heart and soul into my efforts.
I don't regret moving on now, and honestly I can't help but feel pride at how things ultimately went down. Imagine, I lost my decade-long position just hours after essentially getting called out on the Senate Floor! I mean c'mon, how cool is that?
Not only that, but my ban precipitated the Night of the Digital Long Knives, as I specifically predicted in one of my last threads. I always had a feeling that when reddit inc. came for my head, that that would be a major SHTF indicator. It sure was.
TBH, I always got the feeling that /r/conspiracy is still around because someone on the admin team is on our side. I know people say it's a "honeypot" or whatever, but at this point the information getting out is so damning that they're going scorched earth...there's no reason for them to keep it around at this rate of censorship. Will it last? Maybe.
That's why I hope that removing me was the "next best thing" to outright banning the sub...which may actually be in the cards anyway. But it does buy them some time.
Until then, I'll be pumping away on conspiracies.win and now gab.
Thanks for reading this, I feel much better having written it!
Much love,
-axolotl_peyotl
Well said. They are doing their best to slander you and portray you as some kind of extremist that advocates violence/racism. It's their standard play...it's SO incredibly predictable at this point. You have nothing to be ashamed of and EVERYTHING to be proud of. Wear their hatred like a shiny golden badge of honor...because it marks you as a vetted and proven lover of freedom and truth. That is something to be esteemed, treasured- not regretted or weighed down by.
I wonder if a Libel Suit would gain any traction? My advice is to contact Lin Wood's law firm. I'm not even joking. You should also start writing a book that tells the story of your journey over the past 10 years. It would be a unique perspective that many people could learn from. Either way, the MAGA crowd supports you. We look after our own.
And I really don't want to say this (it's awkward to talk about) but I would feel remiss not to: You need to protect yourself from any possibility of real-life retaliation on their part. Not saying for you to become paranoid...but I think you should put time, effort and resources into ensuring that you and your family are as safe as humanly possible from this point on. Carry a weapon and train (dryfire/presentation) with it daily, if possible and legal where you're at. Even if the best you can do is a small blade. I recommend both armed and unarmed personal protective training via a reputable instructor. When people make death threats, 99% of the time it's a psychological deterrent strategy intended to suppress your effort to spread a truth that they despise. But sometimes there is a 1% within that metric which you need to factor in and be prepared for. And that "1%" may be a lone mentally deranged hater or something more sinister and organized. My purpose in saying this isn't to worry you or spread "doom and gloom" ...but you are quickly becoming one of the most influential people within Conspiracy-themed Social Media. And those of us who seek truth are here to support you in any way possible...even if you just need to vent, we're here.
God Bless, take care
Good to get a response down. The whole point of that garbage article will be something “real” and “fact-checked” for the lemmings and TuMORs of the world to share on r/con in the coming days. It would take a journalistic miracle for them to acknowledge this, but you should try and send it to the author to be linked at the top of their article as a “response”. Unlikely but hey atleast you did your part. Like all the other bullshit you’ve been put through because you wanted a place to freely share ideas, you’ve done your part, now it’s time for others to do theirs.
Damnatio memoriae...
gab link
Moving to .win was the best thing I've done, and now that you are banned on reddit, axo, I'm glad I left ccp reddit. Best choice I made this year so far!
this shit's insane.
i can't help but feel they're rolling it out to fast, though. There's already >30% of America that feels Biden is illegitimate. The recent social media purges has added another 10-15% who are pissed off beyond the point of no return. The level of distrust for "establishment narratives" isn't just on the right, though. There's alot of us hold-outs on the left who haven't bought the DNC/MSM bullshit. I voted Green and doubt I could ever vote for Trump, but I'm pissed about the election fraud and all the other bullshit that has distracted Americans from moving forward for the last 4 years.
I am glad to see people seeing what is being done to us. You guys be rational and not emotional, and do what you fhink is right.
The establishment immediately squandered whatever win the capitol fiasco was for them.
lurked rconspiracy last year, sad but expected to see you persecuted and defamed. you are one of the good ones imo.
Might want to add that you are not suicidal as well.
/J/k
Well, in all seriousness, I'm definitely not!
Long time lurker, standing behind you.
Hope you used a VPN so they don't go after your finical side! stay vigilante and don't get hit in the neck with the CIA heart attack gun.... You're a good mod!
They are calling everything a "Call to Violence" these days, what a bunch of clowns. They banned me for questioning the official narrative of the holocaust as a call to violence too lmao.
That's what they got me for the 3/7 day autobans. Can't question it. The evidence is always testimony vs actual evidence against.
I'v been forgiven for quite a bit more controversial comments in the past. Even that evil moderator axlotl gave me a lot of rope to hang myself.
Whatever happened at /r/conspiracy I'm sorry.
You're free to say whatever you want here, just try not to be insufferable about it.
Yeah youve said that before lol, sorry if I dont believe you.
You ruined a perfectly good sub because of your own partisan politics and inability to be shown an idea you disagree with.
Youve gotten everything you deserve
You really think people dont notice when one person gets perma banned for pointing out youre wrong and you let other uses slide with hundreds of removals?
For real at least own up to it like a man instead of just shrugging and saying "Sorry if you feel that way bro"
My battle is not with you, friend.
To be honest, your battle seemed to be with the truth.
You no longer cared about reality, you only cared about crafting your little part of the internet in a way you saw fit, truth be damned.
You had the chance to really have a place where people would be free to debate but instead you turned it into your own playground.
I feel no sympathy for you and like many others Im glad you wont have the chance to pollute a sub that used to be amazing.
Whatever. You give me way too much power and credit for events that were largely beyond my control.
I'm not the bad guy you think, but I don't expect you to believe me.
I literally had interactions with you that were beyond reasonable moderation.
Would you like to see some highlights?
Can you explain why some users such as earthquakesandvolcanoes had several hundred removals while other users were banned for innocuous things? Did reddit make you do that?
I dont think youre a bad guy, I just think you got a little big headed and instead of being an impassive arbiter you became a gatekeeper, deciding what is and what is not appropriate to be seen by your sub.
You ran it as your own fiefdom.
https://i.imgur.com/TIw50n0.png
What events were beyond your control? The events where you banned people for not being a Trump simp?
I think you are 100% right.
If it makes you feel any better, you're far from alone in being targeted right now. For example, Nick Fuentes just lost his platform on Dlive, which follows him being banned on Youtube last year. There is a huge digital purge happening, and I hope there's at least a silver lining in this dark could, which is that more and more people have to see what's happening now. It's not just "wackos" like Alex Jones getting de-personed now, and if people don't see that we're getting pushed into digital bubbles at this point then they must be blind or willfully ignorant.
Cmon, bro... We are all aware of why the ban and the propaganda that followed happened. You don't have to defend yourself when you have proven your worth so many years as a mod... Of course they target you because you have morals and speak the truth. Don't waste your time to defend yourself from a propaganda post... Look what Trump did - "Fake news, fake news". They want you to defend yourself - that is how propaganda works, and we are aware of that.
Just always remember that your morals allow you to sleep untroubled, which is far more than you can say about the corrupt hypocrit who wrote the article or who banned you. If you are affected by their petty attempts - they win. We are with you, we don't care about the propaganda - why should you?
Silicon Valley Victory Fund gave Tammy Duckworth $18,824 in 2016: https://www.followthemoney.org/entity-details?eid=17658669
JStreetPAC, part of JStreet which is "The political home of pro-Israel, pro-peace Americans" gave Tammy: $279,565
League of Conservation Voters, which has gotten donations from Bloomberg Lp, and Goldman Sachs, gave Tammy: $213,402
https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/tammy-duckworth/contributors?cid=N00027860&cycle=CAREER
The "Communications/Electronics" sector donated $640,733 to her campaign committee in 2020: https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/industries?cid=N00027860&cycle=2020&type=I
Awesome - one of the most basic principles of investigation at work: follow the money.
Axo.
When you get this much slander from the outside, and inside. Where the powers to be use so much time and energy on crushing you... You should wear this as a badge of honor.
Apparently you are too correct. That's not accepted in today's media picture.
I have been a trusted follower for years, enjoying all your theories, even if I sometimes don't agree sometimes (of course), you still always had some very good angels and points that I was never taught in school (of course)
What happened to you these last days/weeks, should give you even more energy to place searchlights to where we others should have a look.
A long time ago, a post I made to r/conspiracy was featured in a BuzzFeed deboonking article. ?
Find a lawyer: Lin Wood. Sue for defamation
Thanks for the share. Stay positive!
You done good son. I enjoyed r/conspiracy for years.
I have never seen AP be anti-semetic, extreme, or far right. Being anti big pharma mandates is a good thing in my book.
I'm not surprised the media and top intellectuals would slander you.
AP was selectively held to a perfection standard, while compared to the moderation of most subs (ahem u/maxwellhill) AP was an angel mod.
It's standard operating procedure to wrest control of the mods of every sub that becomes popular and is not following the prescribed narratives.
If you are right about Italy gate...will they invite you back and pin it up! Having unfiltered information is freedom..ty for posting things that would otherwise be censored.
If I'm vindicated over Italygate it will probably result it reddit being shut down anyway, heh.
Only the Left can question the Election Results. It’s wrong think to do otherwise if you ain’t Left.
Also I’ve been banned from nearly every sub forum on Reddit. I called Antifa fags and got a 3 day suspension site wide for calling them fags.
Are you able to sue for slander? Have you talking with a lawyer?
If someone ran an article like that about me, I'd have my lawyer on the phone within 10 mins.
Really trying not to get doxxed but I'll think about it.
At the very least talk to a lawyer, talking with them is free. It could be a major payday even if the company settles.
Can’t believe you have to justify yourself to be honest, so many fucking idiots around it’s untrue. You shouldn’t be penalised for your views, thoughts or ideas.
Sounds like you got rolled on pretty hard by the Reddit team on conspiracy, the place has been a shit show for a very long time anyway. I think your content was great, might not of agreed with all of it but that’s the whole point of having these sites, to exchange views and thoughts.
What they did to you seems reminiscent of Chinese state media shaming tactics. Hm.
I want to remind everyone that this is no longer mere social media issues but full-fledged political war. The big boys are involved, it is not amateur trolls at all but the same people who drive campaigns. Axo has tried hard to deal with deliberate interference with free discussion, being done by troll agents. In the media attacks now, it is the same drivers behind it. News and articles and opinion pieces are almost never spontaneous - most are either plants by PR agencies, or corporations, or lobbyists, or politicians. The news is not what it seems on the surface. every point in the article attacking Axo was shaped for a purpose. Much to dissuade protest or opposition to attempts to control us. And Axo, I believe JCM from the old days, who has grown in power under ground on Reddit like mushroom roots, is behind many of the attacks on you, because you were a threat to his neocon influence powers. The AxoComeOuttoPlay troll was JCM. I won't reveal how I came to believe this, but I use AI tools in it. And it suggests he's come here too now.
I always appreciated your contributions
They're giving you so much attention because you carry power. Continue using it responsibly. ?
I’ve pretty much abandoned reddit after td and r/conspiracy went to shit.
Question: Do you believe the u/maxwellhill is Gislane Maxwell?
I have followed reddit for years but only just made an account specifically to be more involved on the conspiracy forums haha I'm glad they led me here. I'm a total newbie to it all and especially the history of you as a mod but just wanna share that this post and others on conspiracies.win are giving me hope as I've watched so many friends & family become fully indoctrinated into bi-partisan bullshit and fear over the last year. I'm glad to know there's still some sort of middle ground / "free thinking" / open mindedness that remains on a corner of the internet.
Barely know you - but I'm here for it. Thank you!
Get fucked, You ran that sub into the ground banning people for bullshit reasons.
The fact you don’t address the title of the article, “Reddit bans mod of r/conspiracy after years of anti-Semitism,” seems very sleazy in a politician kind of way.
tbh it was so stupid and demonstrably false that it didn't even occur to me. I address the anti-semitism thing.
Don't you find it rather revealing that the only example of "anti-semitism" they could find was a 6-year-old thread of a single documentary out of hundreds of community-voted featured docs that I pinned?
I mean, that was it.
Year of anti-semitism? Please show me how the title of the article is even remotely backed up by the actual content of the article.
It's pure, unadulterated, click-bait.
And actual slander, but they don't know who I am, so fuck 'em.
You don't clearly understand don't you ? Antisemite is in today double-speech not only the person who don't like kikes. Currently it is also the person who is don't liked by them (and it could be even jewish person !). Of course being against semites conspiracies makes you clear antisemite even if you don't know that.
Because you are messing with "master race" - oh sorry I was planning to say "chosen (by god) nation" plans for more power and domination.
Thanks for addressing the topic. The most outrageous lie is often the easiest to sell. People assume no one would lie about something like that.
Edit: I strongly vrecommend you append your statement opening this thread to include your reply to me.
You overrate your part in this story.
As for me, i won't shed a single threas for you. You banned three of my accounts 2 of them unfairly, censored many of my comments, and there was several case when i wrote a fairly sophisticated comment about what you got wrong in your post and in the end you either banned it, or if you couldn't find the smallest thing to use as an excuse, you just deleted the whole post with my comment and posted it again.
If i look at your mod logs, i see nothin but you deleting comments, banning people. Half of them never deserve it and their only wrongdoing was not agreeing with you.
With all of my respect, I don't know how you see yourself, but many of us agree, that you acted toxic as a mod.
Exactly why am i a shill? It's my opinion. If stating my opinion is shilling than i am a shill indeed.
Stop calling me a "shill" and keep praisin your lord amphibian
Not every got special treatment like you.
Let's go for four.
Uhm what?
He is not mod anymore he can't ban me.
Lol dude wtf?
He was such a bad mod you followed him here LOL
"Followed him here"? What are you talking about? Why would i "follow him at all"? I mean this place existed before he got banned.
I don't think you are making sense.