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Well, so much for this one. What's next? (media.conspiracies.win)
posted 4 years ago by Syrian 4 years ago by Syrian +15 / -8
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– Mad_King_Kalak 8 points 4 years ago +9 / -1

My understanding is that he doesn't have to sign anything, as he has unilateral authority to accept or reject electors no matter a lawsuit or whatnot.

Show me I'm wrong or right please.

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– MagaPede69 -13 points 4 years ago +3 / -16

If Pence has unilateral authority to reject electors, don't you think Biden would have done the same thing four years ago?

Your understanding of the process is flawed.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

Your counterfactual isn't a good response to an HONEST query.

  1. The 2016 election wasn't contested (even though some Dems did protest during process in Congress)
  2. There was no dueling groups of electors in 2016, like in 1876
  3. Biden, Hillary, and Obama had already cooked up Russiagate as a response to Trump winning.

So, if my understanding is flawed, enlighten me bro.

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– MagaPede69 -14 points 4 years ago +2 / -16

The word of choice here is unilateral. Again, democracy works because losers lose and winners win. If any outgoing administration can just choose to stay in power by rejecting electors, don't you think this would have happened already in American history?

If you have unilateral power, you don't need contested results or dueling electors (which is silly, because there aren't dueling electors... there are electors and people who said they deserved to be but weren't) to use your unilateral authority.

State electors can only be tossed after a simple majority passes both chambers of Congress. Pence has nothing to do with that process other than opening the mail.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Your knowledge of American history is very, very limited. It's like all you know is what happened since you started paying attention to politics a few years ago when you started getting a paycheck from Media Matters.

Jefferson, in a somewhat disputed election, as VP and and president of the Senate, and the candidate choosing the electors, put himself in power over Adams. It's happened before.

Look into other disputed and stolen elections and come back to us here a bit more informed. 1824, where Jackson was robbed, 1876, which led to the Compromise of 1876, and 1960, where nobody denies rampant voter fraud in IL and TX stole the election from Nixon.

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– MagaPede69 -7 points 4 years ago +1 / -8

Hey, I'm fairly astute when it comes to history! And, what you're saying isn't entirely accurate. Jefferson did not put himself into power, as is claimed above.

Hamilton had as much to do with the election victory as anyone as the results were determined in the House and not the Senate, where Jefferson was President of the Senate.

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– Mad_King_Kalak 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Yes, you are surely historically astute, just as you didn't know that Taft was the fattest president in American history.

In the election of 1800, surely a unique case prior to the 12th Amendment, a major candidate, Jefferson, was also the sitting VP and diametrically opposed to the current president, Adams. There was some funny stuff with the electors, particularly NY with Burr, but Adams being principled didn't want to play and put country ahead of self. Jefferson used his unilateral power to accept, and not dispute, electors from states where there were troubling questions about the election..not unlike today.

Hamilton had nothing to do with it.

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– MagaPede69 -7 points 4 years ago +1 / -8

Umph. Read a book, friend. You can write out all the falsehood you'd like, but that does not make it true. The House decided that election, not the Senate. And yeah, Hamilton had quite a bit to do with the results as he advocated for Jefferson and convinced several of his fellow Federalists in the House to vote Jefferson.

As far as the fat thing, here's a definition for you:

Joke. Noun.

a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline.

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... continue reading thread?
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– tracheotome 1 point 4 years ago +3 / -2

“ In new court filings made public Tuesday, the plaintiffs disclosed that they had reached out to Pence before filing their suit in an attempt to join forces but that their talks did not reach any kind of agreement.”

People say a lot of shit doesn’t make it true. Also. Why would you reveal your plan to your enemy?

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– MagaPede69 -13 points 4 years ago +3 / -16

It's not a "plan" as much as it's the last hope from the Cult of Trump. A Vice President can't simply reject electors because his party lost. What the hell is wrong with you people that you believe this.

How would you have felt in 2016 if Biden had just tossed out a half dozen state's worth of electors because of reasons?

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– tracheotome 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

That’s too much of a hypothetical considering there wasn’t a vast amount of evidence of fraud. Which. Again. I’m sure you’re unwilling to acknowledge as reality considering the other dimension you clearly live in based on our last interaction.

Government officials swear an oath to defend and uphold the constitution not my feelings and not your feelings. If they are all honest with themselves and reality and they are faithful to that oath then it’s not a matter of “tossing out electors” it’s a matter of “these states ran their elections unconstitutionally thus disenfranchising all of the voters” but you know. Believe whatever you want. You seem to do that anyway.

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– letrain 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

As soon as he kept repeating "public private partnership" I knew he was compromised. He's far to polished to not be compromised. Never saw the media really go after him. They tried going after his wife and that ended pretty quickly.

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– Poopybuttboy 1 point 4 years ago +2 / -1

Biden dies and Kamlalah takes the reigns

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– valadin89 0 points 4 years ago +1 / -1

I believe I read somewhere that Pence doesn’t really have the authority to just choose what electors to go with in a contested state. However he does have the ability to say that states not following their own constitutions could be omitted from the count - this would put trump at 232-222 (from what I read).

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