Well, so much for this one. What's next?
(media.conspiracies.win)
You're viewing a single comment thread. View all comments, or full comment thread.
Comments (16)
sorted by:
Your knowledge of American history is very, very limited. It's like all you know is what happened since you started paying attention to politics a few years ago when you started getting a paycheck from Media Matters.
Jefferson, in a somewhat disputed election, as VP and and president of the Senate, and the candidate choosing the electors, put himself in power over Adams. It's happened before.
Look into other disputed and stolen elections and come back to us here a bit more informed. 1824, where Jackson was robbed, 1876, which led to the Compromise of 1876, and 1960, where nobody denies rampant voter fraud in IL and TX stole the election from Nixon.
Hey, I'm fairly astute when it comes to history! And, what you're saying isn't entirely accurate. Jefferson did not put himself into power, as is claimed above.
Hamilton had as much to do with the election victory as anyone as the results were determined in the House and not the Senate, where Jefferson was President of the Senate.
Yes, you are surely historically astute, just as you didn't know that Taft was the fattest president in American history.
In the election of 1800, surely a unique case prior to the 12th Amendment, a major candidate, Jefferson, was also the sitting VP and diametrically opposed to the current president, Adams. There was some funny stuff with the electors, particularly NY with Burr, but Adams being principled didn't want to play and put country ahead of self. Jefferson used his unilateral power to accept, and not dispute, electors from states where there were troubling questions about the election..not unlike today.
Hamilton had nothing to do with it.
Umph. Read a book, friend. You can write out all the falsehood you'd like, but that does not make it true. The House decided that election, not the Senate. And yeah, Hamilton had quite a bit to do with the results as he advocated for Jefferson and convinced several of his fellow Federalists in the House to vote Jefferson.
As far as the fat thing, here's a definition for you:
Joke. Noun.
a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline.
Wow, you what rhetorical flourish you use there to enliven your last minute Wikipedia research.
And I never said the Senate decided the election....I said Jefferson as president of the Senate used his role to accept electors favorable to him. At least if you're going to debate someone, don't mangle their arguments.
So let me reprise, from some perspectives Hamilton had some influence on the situation through his lobbying, but at the time, he had so burned so many bridges with the Federalists due to his endless attacks on Adams, that he had no effect on the outcome. But really, it was that Adams didn't contest things, putting country over self, never being a party man.
History is deep, there are many undercurrents, and competing perspectives. You can't just read one book, you have to read many, many books.