I get your point and I don't expect them to jump and shout or cry, but they seem outright depressed. One would expect more joy and pride in their demeanor. They've supposedly managed the feat of the century or even of the millenium.

When was going to the moon and setting bases there banned exactly?

It wasn’t. Keep your strawmen to yourself.

Lol you degenerate liar. This:

also it makes no sense not to weaponize space because every country regularly uses chemical and biological weapons on each other and there’s absolutely no way anyone would simply agree to ban them from use because… uh…

was your stupid argument and I refuted it - International law has banned a lot of things that are currently going on, do you realize that? There is no stupid ban or law that will prevent a world power to do as it pleases if it's geopolitically beneficial and viable to do so. This is what power means. This includes not only setting military bases anywhere, but also use of biological and nuclear weapons or committing genocide.

Thanks for admitting you don’t understand economics. You just made my argument for me.

Please enlighten me then. Or do you believe making assertions is an argument you moron?

adult men

you mean adult freemasons

Ok, freemasons walked the surface of the moon. Is that cool with you or would you require proof of that?

Did the world powers ban the use of nuclear weapons too? Or did international law (which is a joke) ban invading independent countries? How's that going on?

When was going to the moon and setting bases there banned exactly? Do you have the document? Would "never" be the correct answer? Oh but of course, they didn't come back to the moon because they've lost the technology and don't have the money they did back then, even though they literally printed 3 trillions in two weeks for a fake pandemic.

Makes total sense. You're a certified retard dude. But at least you're a true 'Murican patriotic retard, which is the good kind. Imagine writing in a conspiracy forum while feeling pride that a satanic Deep State organization like NASA supposedly did some Crowleyan ritual by sending a phallic shaped object, crewed by degenerate lying freemasons to the moon.

There are two possible options: you're either an utterly demented soyjack or a fedboy.

Martin Luther wrote: "Therefore know, my dear Christian, that next to the Devil you have no more bitter, more poisonous, more vehement an enemy than a real Jew who earnestly desires to be a Jew." Yes, know your enemy.

Fast forward a couple of centuries and most protestant churches are pro-skittles, liberal and zionist. In the end the Reformation did exactly what it was brought about to do.

It's Winston.

Gold is king, true. But it's still controlled by your overlords and you're a fool if you believe otherwise.

Mining gold is a thing dude. But aside from that they literally set the prices and can control how much gold there is in circulation in local markets. The prices of gold are set by the The London Bullion Market Association (LBMA) and COMEX (New York Mercantile Exchange). There's a reason why the Rothschilds backed the gold standard historically - it's as much their thing as is the Fed.

What you said about BTC, actually applies to gold - it is controlled by London and Wall Str.

I am not able to speak as I wish to speak, but have to bring it down to a level where perhaps something might resonate with you.

But why is communicating that a problem? Aren't we all just projections of the mind of God? There shouldn't be meaningful distinctions then because "me" and "you" is just an illusion, right? Whatever you know and understand also applies to me. Why do you insist on talking as if you are not me and I am not you? You're playing into the illusion. Our whole argument is basically God arguing with himself, isn't that true in your worldview?

Rothschild doesn't control the gold because all the gold you see in society is controlled by us.

What would that gold be? Personal jewelry and gold coins? What about the giant hoards of gold bars the governments and central banks hold? Or the inherited gold of the aristocratic families of the past? Our combined stashes pale in comparison.

He also cannot make any gold.

They own the mines and it's not from yesterday. Guess what the Boar wars were all about. There's a lot of gold still being mined all over the world and guess who owns the companies? It's no different than with oil and gas. Gold is a natural resource after all and we don't have the right to extract it, even if we owned the land.

Yet somehow this logic doesn't apply to BTC?

The blockchain is anonymous and encrypted - it's a giant hash code basically (673.58 GB). The IRS can investigate who's the owner of the wallets but that's not something that can be done by regular folks I guess.

1. There are ways to buy/sell or trade with BTC completely anonymously without divulging any personal data and without the government getting notified.
2. They will have a cut but still it would be much less as a percentage of the total compared to traditional assets like fiat, gold and stocks. Here are actual stats:

A recent report by Gemini (in conjunction with Glassnode) estimates that about 30.9% of the circulating Bitcoin supply is held by so-called “centralised treasuries” — that includes governments, corporates, ETFs and large custodial entities.

Another data source suggests that among public/private companies + funds etc., ~17.8% of “21 million” total supply is held by 251 such entities (including ETFs, companies, countries) as of mid-Oct 2025.

In the U.S. spot Bitcoin ETFs context, institutional investors reportedly hold around 20% of all such ETFs’ shares.

So about 20-30% of BTC is in the hands of governments and financial corporations.

3. That's just not true. BTC has been adopted as legal tender by El Salvador and Central African Republic. BTC is used by millions for transactions in the US, India, Indonesia, Nigeria, Russia, Ukraine, Vietnam, Brazil, etc. There is a lot of BTC trading going on and it will only get more. As for the conversion rate, the trading will be done in Satoshi (one hundred millionth BTC, currently $1).

4. That's hard to determine because addresses are not always personal wallets. Some addresses are held by exchanges and custodians. When you adjust for custodial wallets, lost supply, and dormant holdings, it's not as bad as it appears looking at the raw stats. But sure, I agree there is vulnerability to speculation by whales. This is true for any money or asset and BTC is no exception here.

1. Do you have proof of this?

2. How does that change who controls gold?

If someone says you have 7 fingers and another says 8, is that enough to make you doubt the understanding God gave you?

That's sophistry and false equivalence. Do you mean to tell me that complex, multilayered contex-dependent scriptural text, that is the result of thousands of years of tradition is in the same category as looking at how many fingers are there? I know you're not that stupid to believe this but you're being dishonest instead of admitting interpretation is a thing.

Is the Holy Spirit so inconsequential to you that He can't provide correct interpretation to a mind searching out for truth?

So God provided you personally with the correct interpretation? What about the other millions of Christians who believe in God, search the truth and hold believes that are contradictory to yours? Did the Holy Spirit gave them a separate contradictory revelation? How many truths are there? What makes you believe you are special in your apprehension of the truth if everyone else also claims to be enlightened through the Holy Spirit?

In fact, how were you able to carry on this conversation without first consulting with a Pope or high priest? How can you conserve with family members without a priestly intermediary analyzing the meaning of every sentence?

You have no understanding of what you're criticizing. Of course I have a spiritual father who serves as an authority and who got his authority through the apostolic succession within the Church. I also read the Church fathers and the saints who provide me with the correct interpretation. Is it a bad thing that I don't put all my trust in my fallen and limited mind, that is susceptible to delusion and error and seek the teachings of the Church that is guided by the Spirit and that will keep the faith to the end of time?

Then your words didn't make much sense and were very misleading. I think it speaks to the logic of your argument breaking down.

Sure it does. Whatever makes you feel like you got me.

Regarding heresy, who is the authority, man or God?

It's Christ and His Church, who He is a head of. The Church is guided by the Holy Spirit Himself.

Jesus was very skeptical of religious traditions chastising the beared "papas" of his day. "For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men" [Mark 7:8].

Come on dude. Jesus worshipped according to the hebrew tradition (went to the Temple and synagoges). He constantly made references to the OT. He's literally the anointed one, which is a hebrew tradition instituted by God in the book of Kings with Saul. He fulfilled all the prophecies which were part of that tradition. He was fully within the tradition of Abraham, Moses and David (lineage included) because He was the one who spoke to the prophets and gave them the commandments.

The quote is about Jesus chastising the pharisees (future rabbis in judaism) for making up their own traditions and not following the true God-revealed tradition of Abraham and the prophets. It's not a condemnation of tradition itself, that would be contradictory and retarded because the whole Biblical narrative is describing a millenia year old tradition that was passed down for thousands of years before it was written down. Same thing happened with the NT - again, the Bible you appeal to was compiled hundreds of years after Christ and yet the tradition and the Church functioned without the Bible in that period. This is such a low tier argument. Why do prots think that quote mining can prove anything? You disregard the whole context of the Bible to produce your heretical interpretation.

Btw isn't your interpretation of Scripture man-made tradition itself (even if it's only you within that tradition)? Aren't you your own "pope" when you go along your interpretation as dogmatically correct? No one escapes the problem of interpretation. The only difference between you and the Pope of Rome is that he has a few billions followers and you're on your own, reading your Bible in your closet. This was the whole point of the revolutionary Reformation - to topple Church authority and to make everyone the equal authority of interpretation (granted that Roman Catholicism was already corrupted and outside the Body of Christ - it was the first protestant sect and the pope was the first protestant).

The argument was about what's heresy. You don't even have a Church that can condemn something as heresy. Do you have anathemas? No. So once more, you just go by your interpretation and authority and declare heresy everything you deem not to be the true word of God.

You don't have to reply me. Just think about those arguments with an open heart and a critical mind. I truly want to help you see the problems of your position and it's not about owning you. The only thing I care about is the true faith which is salvific.

You don't have any way to verify or prove that the authors of the texts of Luke and John wrote through divine revelation. You don't have a way to verify or prove your claim of objective universal truth in your Jesus-God figure

Every one of those claims is justified within the system and is dependent on it. They don't exist in a vacuum - all facts and data is interpreted through a paradigm (Thomas Kuhn). I don't have to prove separate claims if I can prove the truthfulness of the worldview itself. And I can do it through the transcendental argument for the existence of God (TAG).

You don't understand what the term Christ means. The OT doesn't prophesy a particular person of a Messiah, let alone a Messiah named Christ.

Again, how do you know that? Was that information given to you during your NDE? If so, how do you know you weren't told a lie by the entity that told you that?

If you're happy being a follower of man and not God, then go for it.

And you believe your notion of what/who God is is not man made? Tell me this and be honest: did you come up with your belief system all by yourself in a vacuum through your NDE or did you read a bunch of man made texts and pick and choose different ideas and opinions about God?

Common sense tells anyone with a functioning brain that humans never got to the moon. If they truly did it 60 years ago, we'd see numerous moon bases and satellites all over it by now. Just think of the military superiority that would come from controlling the moon - what, you think that the Pentagon, Russia and China would spare resources to get the upper hand? Furthermore, if they achieved this in the 60's, imagine how much easier and cheaper it would be today. One would imagine that private ventures would also establish a base there (like Musk intended to before he was forbidden by congress).

This makes zero geopolitical sense. I personally require no further evidence. Logical arguments are much more reliable than circumstantial evidence that can be faked and misinterpreted ("but but there were moon rocks, you guys!!!1!). Arguing about space physics, images, video footage or minutia only gets you in the weeds.

The difference is that we don't know who exactly holds BTC and the network itself is decentralized. But we know for sure who holds the precious metals, especially the gold market - the Rothschilds and their cronies.

Through divine revelation which was preserved throughout history by His Church.

Christ is a title for a condition of mind-the Lord's anointed. Even Cyrus in the OT was called a Christ. It's not a name for Jesus.

Word concept fallacy. Yes, Christ translates to "anointed one". The prophesized Messiah of the OT named Christ is a particular person. Here's what you did: "Cyrus is king but Christ is also king - they must be the same thing". In typical gnostic fashion you collapsed the contextual meaning of the word which led you to wrong interpretation.

This is why you need a tradition of interpretation, because your mind can made up whatever it feels like when you read the Bible by your own in your closet, thinking you've acquired special gnosis through spiritual pathways. This leaves you confused and being overtly skeptical of everything that supposedly came from outside sources (exoteric), ignoring the glaring absurdity of your inner enlightened epiphany (esoteric) which is only backed up by your feeble deluded mind (which you believe to be an illusion btw, so there's no "you" in the equation).

Of course, your "epiphany" didn't really come from within you but you've red this gnostic new age garbage elsewhere and made up some idiosyncratic belief system that borrows from many sources which you happened to like - it's a philosophical pick-and-choose all-you-can-eat buffet. This is exactly what you do with the Christian tradition. You pick narratives and ideas that appeals to you and discard the rest. But the Christian worldview is holistic and can't be subjected to reductionism and piecemealing. While gnosticism and esotericism is ancient, this new age form of gnosticism is a very modern, individualistic and consumerist approach to worldviews. This is what makes it so appealing to the fragmented, uprooted, ahistorical and confused individual consumer in todays society, who is desperately craves truth and meaning in this clown world.

The result is a fragmented and incoherent mess that only makes sense to you and is not verifiable and proven in any way - why would anyone care for your individually-tailored system when anyone can do the same and get their own tailored system that is similar, yet different and made to match the tastes and preferences of the individual consumer? You reject objective universal truth in the person of Christ who is God. Great, so why should I care about "your truth" at all when I can have "my truth"?

Hope you read this with an open and critical mind and think about it. You said there are many possible perspectives right? Try this one.

Put the truth you see in it into practice in your life, and see where the Spirit of God guides you.

I have done that and I have come to pretty much opposite conclusions to yours. What now?

It's sad to see such levels of delusion but everyone suffers the consequences of their ignorance in the end so it's fair.

BTC is a decentralized peer to peer network. Gold on the other hand...

Who do you think owns the gold market?

If you understood what is being talked about in the Biblical texts, you'd see that they promote gnosis; and one who seeks gnosis from God is a Gnostic.

It's begging the question. I asked you how do you know you have the correct interpretation? Maybe it is the case but how do you know it's the correct interpretation as opposed to say the Orthodox teachings or some other gnostic's take?

What people call objective is entirely subjective.

That proposition is entirely subjective then. So why would I care about anything you say when it's just a figment of your mind, or if you're right it's even worse - even the figment of your mind is an illusion.

Gnosticism leads to the impossibility of knowledge at all. What's the point of even communicating what you delude yourself to be your subjective experience (because it's an illusion) when communication is also illusory and impossible? Our minds don't even exist, remember? So who are you writing to right now?

So it's entirely subjective. But how can you be sure your experience is truthful and not a delusion (which is inevitable if everything, including the self, is illusory)? Can you be deceived or be mistaken as a human being?

and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free

The truth is God Himself in the person of the Logos though. It's not some abstraction or a property of the mind.