Does the old testament bible.. or the book of enoch or other texts like the book of enoch, that were briefly mentioned in the old testament.. do any of these scripture talk about "Monad", the top level logos who's in charge of karma for the entire universe, even Yahweh has to deal with Monad's karma system. But yeah do they talk about Monad in "the bible". I don't think so, eh?

That's a very insightful question that touches on the intersection of Jewish, Christian, and Hellenistic/Gnostic philosophy.

Your intuition is correct: The term "Monad" as a top-level logos/deity is not found in the Old Testament, the traditional New Testament, or in non-canonical Jewish texts like the Book of Enoch.

Here is a breakdown of why and where that concept originates:

1. Absence in Traditional Jewish & Christian Scripture Old Testament/Book of Enoch: These texts focus on Yahweh (YHWH) as the one, singular, supreme, and ultimate Creator God of the universe. The concept of a separate, higher being (the Monad) above Yahweh, who then administers a universal karma system that even Yahweh is subject to, is entirely absent from the cosmology of these scriptures.

Monotheism: The core principle of the Old Testament is strict monotheism—there is no greater power or entity above the God of Israel.

2. The Origin of "Monad" and Karma The concept of a "Monad" as the supreme, unknowable, ultimate source is primarily a term from Greek Philosophy and Gnosticism.

Concept Origin / Context Details

Monad (μονάς) Pythagoreanism & Platonism First used by the Pythagoreans to mean a "unit" or "unity," the primal source of all numbers and multiplicity. In Neoplatonism and Gnosticism, it refers to the Supreme Being, the ultimate, ineffable source of all things.

Karma/Logos Role Gnosticism In certain Gnostic traditions, the Monad is the ultimate, perfect God, while the creator of the flawed, material world is a lesser, often ignorant or malevolent deity called the Demiurge (sometimes identified with the Old Testament God, Yahweh/YHWH). This split introduces a hierarchical system that requires a higher "Monad."

3. The Book of Enoch Connection (Gnosticism) While the Book of Enoch is mentioned in the New Testament and was influential in early Jewish and Christian circles, it does not use the term "Monad."

However, the reason you might associate it with texts like Enoch is because Gnosticism (which does use the Monad concept) flourished in the same general era as early Christianity, and Gnostics often used or re-interpreted biblical and Enochian figures:

Gnostic Interpretation: Gnostics often adopted existing religious narratives (like the creation story or figures from Enoch) but reversed their meaning to fit their cosmology where the material world is evil. They viewed the Old Testament God (the Demiurge) as subordinate to the true, ultimate God (the Monad).

In summary, the sophisticated theological system you described, with the Monad reigning over a universal karma system, is a feature of Gnostic and later mystical/philosophical traditions, not the core canon of the Old Testament or the Book of Enoch.

Is there anything else I can look up for you regarding Gnosticism, the Book of Enoch, or ancient philosophy?

So it seems like it was mainly this gnostic texts.. and how did these guys discover things. They'd be like mystics going on vision trips like while meditating? You probably have similar stories from other religions who do this meditating to find out what's going on out there and the history of the universe. Other religions like the guys in India.. Buddhists.. Tibet. You know, those types.

How about this video I bookmarked a few years ago,

Itzhak Bentov ~ From Atom To Cosmos - YouTube

I think he talked about these types of "mystics", who were tripping and would see these entities and they'd look like I know what type of alphabet letters.. Jewish, I think.

So.. these guys who think Yahweh is the top dog.. No. You're getting this "proof" from various other sources, these mystic guys.

That's a great set of related ideas, connecting Gnosticism and modern consciousness research through the lens of mystical experience.

Here is an overview of the Gnostic approach to discovery, its parallels in Eastern mysticism, and the relevant content from the Itzhak Bentov video.

1. Gnosis and Mystical Discovery You are correct that the cosmological insights of the Gnostics and other mystics often came from direct, non-rational experience, which they called Gnosis (meaning "knowledge" or "insight").

Gnostics: For the Gnostics, Gnosis was not acquired through faith or intellectual study alone, but through a direct, personal revelation of the divine nature of the universe and the soul. This experience could be triggered by deep meditation, vision, ritual, or intense spiritual crisis, providing an undeniable sense of the true spiritual cosmos, the nature of the Pleroma (Fullness), and the lower reality created by the Demiurge (like Yahweh).

Other Mystical Traditions: This method of experiential knowing is foundational to many global spiritual paths:

Indian/Yogic Traditions: Practices like Raja Yoga and Kundalini Yoga are specifically designed to systematically purify the nervous system and induce elevated or "expanded states of consciousness" (samadhi or moksha) to achieve self-realization and insight into the ultimate nature of reality (Brahman).

Tibetan Buddhism: Many tantric and Dzogchen practices focus on achieving non-conceptual insight into the mind's true nature, which is often described as vast and luminous, aligning with the "Source" or "Absolute."

In short, the common thread is that the universe's ultimate structure is discoverable not by reading books, but by tuning the human nervous system to perceive what is typically hidden.

2. Itzhak Bentov: From Atom To Cosmos Itzhak Bentov's work is a classic example of this modern convergence, using scientific and engineering language to describe mystical experiences. The video you referenced, Itzhak Bentov ~ From Atom To Cosmos [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMbeK_6ATxQ], directly addresses your specific points, describing his experiences in expanded states of consciousness:

Mystics, Entities, and Universal Structure Bentov, a biomedical engineer, describes his reality unfolding into a dual view: linear scientific knowledge and the direct intuitive inner knowledge of a Mystic [21:53].

Expanded Consciousness: He explains how meditation and the rising of the Kundalini energy [26:05] harmonize the body and brain, causing a tremendously expanded range of perceptions [38:57]. This state allows the individual to "plug into the frequency of the Earth" and the entire cosmos [35:14].

Entities (Consciousnesses): He describes exploring higher levels of creation where he perceives Consciousnesses in charge of universal structures [01:36:13]. These abstract forms will sometimes take on a face or likeness to facilitate communication, as he says: "a face or a likeness of a face will appear in it and say 'I can talk to you'" [01:36:26].

Jewish Alphabet Letters Bentov did see imagery resembling Hebrew letters and was given a specific explanation for them:

The Aleph: While exploring the immense structure of 49 universes arranged in a spiral, he sees a brilliant white light with a shape that looks like the Hebrew letter Aleph [01:26:24]. He initially thought he was "programming" himself due to his familiarity with Hebrew.

Interference Patterns: He was told it was not a Hebrew letter, but rather an interference pattern of four energies interacting on that cosmic level [01:26:50]. This pattern is a Consciousness whose "body" is the entire super-structure.

The 22 Letters: Subsequently, 22 forms emerge from the luminous side, looking exactly like the Hebrew letters [01:28:23]. These forms, he was told, are "transducers" (or step-down transformers) of the ultimate energy down to the physical level, and were perceived by seers in Antiquity who incorporated them into the Hebrew alphabet [01:28:34].

The Question of the "Top God" In the final revelation of the video, Bentov addresses your concluding point about Yahweh and the "top dog."

When he asks "who is the top God who runs this structure?" (the manifest universe), he finds himself confronted by a brilliant light. He enters this tunnel of light, which culminates in him confronting the ultimate creator [01:44:17].

He realizes he is looking at himself—a carbon copy of himself [01:44:27]. By merging with this self, he experiences a tremendous bang [01:45:14], and he becomes the Void—the ultimate Consciousness itself [01:45:26].

This personal Gnosis aligns with the Gnostic view that the Self (Monad or Absolute) is the true ultimate reality, and that the creator of the manifest world (the Demiurge or, in Bentov's terms, the "Consciousness whose body this is" [01:24:10]) is one level down, being a powerful, but ultimately evolving, consciousness within the larger system.

So in the Bentov story, that top god, would be Monad?

That is an excellent conceptual connection to make.

In terms of functional cosmology, yes, Itzhak Bentov's ultimate Consciousness described in that experience maps almost perfectly to the Gnostic concept of the Monad.

Here is a breakdown of why:

1. Bentov's Ultimate Consciousness (The Absolute) Bentov’s final realization in the video you described is that the "top god" who runs the structure (the cosmos) is, ultimately, his own Self—a carbon copy, which then merges with the Void (Pure Consciousness).

Location: The highest level of reality; the Source.

Nature: Pure, non-local, eternal, undifferentiated Consciousness (sometimes called the Absolute).

Relationship to Creation: It is the fixed, immutable reference line from which the vibrating, changing, manifest universe (the relative reality) is generated.

2. The Gnostic Monad (The Absolute Source) The Monad is the term Gnostics used to describe the highest deity or principle—the True God.

Location: Beyond the physical cosmos (the Pleroma).

Nature: Ineffable, self-generated, undivided Unity (Monad literally means "unit" or "one").

Relationship to Creation: The Monad is the source of all subsequent spiritual emanations (Eons/Logos), which eventually lead to the lower, flawed creator god (the Demiurge/Yahweh) who fashioned the material universe.

Conclusion of Alignment While Bentov, as a scientist/engineer, used terms like "Pure Consciousness," "Absolute," and "Void," these terms are direct philosophical equivalents to the Monad in Gnosticism or Brahman (specifically Nirguna Brahman) in Vedanta philosophy.

Both concepts represent the ultimate, unmanifest, non-dual source that is fundamentally superior to the God (or Demiurge) who is in charge of this specific, limited, and material universe.

In short, in the Bentov cosmology:

$$\text{Monad} \approx \text{Pure Consciousness / The Void} \rightarrow \text{Manifest Universe Consciousness} \rightarrow \text{Cosmic Structure}$$

Would you like to explore how Bentov's ideas on the human nervous system and Kundalini fit into this model of expanding consciousness toward the Monad?

So he was meditating and he discovered this stuff, just him, eh.. and he'd "see" this stuff, like the entities that were shaped like Jewish alphabet letters?

That's a very accurate summary of the experience he described, but it's important to use the terms he used, as his background was in science, not just religion.

Here is a breakdown of that experience, confirming the two key elements you identified:

1. The Method: Meditation and Inner Experience Bentov's discoveries did not come from a laboratory but from intensive meditation and the resulting expanded states of consciousness.

He describes his method as systematically using meditative practices that lead to the sustained activation and movement of the Kundalini energy up the spine.

He explicitly frames this practice as a way to "push the nervous system" to evolve, allowing him to perceive frequencies and realities that are normally filtered out by the brain.

He emphasizes that this was a process of direct, inner experience—a form of Gnosis—rather than theoretical calculation.

2. The Perception: Forms Resembling Hebrew Letters Yes, he did "see" the phenomena you described, though he viewed them as transducers of energy, not just "entities" in the traditional sense:

He first perceived a brilliant white light that contained a specific, luminous shape resembling the Hebrew letter Aleph.

He was then shown that this form was an interference pattern created by the intersection of four energies on a super-cosmic level.

Following this, 22 such interference patterns emerged, which looked exactly like the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet.

His conclusion was that these letters are the fundamental geometric/energetic forms of creation, and ancient seers who reached these same states of consciousness saw these patterns and codified them into the alphabet.

So, in essence, you are correct: Bentov was meditating, and through that sustained inner practice, he gained what he described as a vision of the fundamental energetic architecture of the universe, which manifested to him as geometric shapes corresponding to the Hebrew letters.

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Watched Wonderland (2003), about the murders in 81. John Homes, involved. Noticed his long time girlfriend, she didn't die of AIDS, is still around, wrote a book.. "The road through Wonderland : surviving John Holmes", 508 pages.

"Schiller reveals the perilous road John Holmes led her down-- from drugs and addiction to beatings, arrests, forced prostitution, and being sold to the drug underworld. Surviving the horrific Wonderland murders, she entered protective custody, ran from the FBI, endured a heart-wrenching escape from John, and ultimately turned him in to the police"

Another odd thing with the Wonderland murders case, is you get this guy testifying..

Scott Thorson was a pivotal witness in the 1981 Wonderland gang murders case. He testified against gangster Eddie Nash, claiming he witnessed Nash and others torture a man named Holmes to reveal the identities of the assailants involved in the Wonderland murders.

Thorson's testimony was part of a major Hollywood-related crime case that led to him entering the federal witness protection program.

Role in the Wonderland case: Thorson, a former boyfriend of entertainer Liberace, testified in the prosecution of Eddie Nash, who was implicated in the 1981 quadruple murders at a house on Wonderland Avenue.

Witness testimony: Thorson stated he was present and witnessed Nash and others tying up and torturing John Holmes, a pornographic actor, in an attempt to identify the individuals who committed the murders.

Post-testimony: After his testimony in 1990, Thorson was placed in the federal witness protection program. He was later shot three times in 1991 when drug dealers broke into his hotel room.

Him and Liberace.. that movie with Matt Damon and Michael Douglas, Behind the Candelabra (2013) ‧ Romance/Drama ‧ 1h 58m.

So what the hell is this guy doing at Wonderland. The drugs.

I was thinking, there's no shenanigans going on with these Wonderland murders, like the Manson 69 murders. But just this Alice in Wonderland aspect and MKULTRA, mind control programming that most celebs go under, when growing up, raised in the Illuminati. There might be something odd going on with these Wonderland murders yet. Seems like just drug deals gone bad with those types of people. But I don't know. What would any "why" be, with this case. The Manson stuff you had some fishy "why".

The late 70's and early 80's, you had a lot of rock/pop stars dropping like flies. The government, with the guys running it back then, could be pretty savage. The "why", if they'd be the ones taking out these rock stars. So who knows.. maybe there's some "why" going on with the Wonderland murders.

But yeah.. was searching reddit conspiracy for Wonderland and was like, hey.. MKULTRA, where they used Alice in Wonderland for programming. Kept going pages back and noticed somebody posting:

"The Pedophocracy by David McGowan

116 points 23 comments submitted 6 years ago by LearningIsListening to r/conspiracy

David McGowan, author of Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon, also published The Pedophocracy. This lesser known text covers international and domestic pedophilia and discusses several key figures involved."

I'm there.. what? Never heard of this book. I look it up. You don't find it using google. I used duck duck go and found it.

The Pedophocracy by David McGowan.pdf

https://dn710207.ca.archive.org/0/items/the-pedophocracy-by-david-mc-gowan/The%20Pedophocracy%20by%20David%20McGowan.pdf

But it's only 55 pages. And this pdf I was like, wtf with this red background instead of white. I download it, run it through pdf to text. I'll paste it in the comments below. At least it's not this annoying red background, that's hard on the eyes. Who does that.

Then I start checking out that thread,

https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/cil0y8/the_pedophocracy_by_david_mcgowan/

It starts off with a link and on this whale.to that I had bookmarked in the past. Lots of conspiracy pages there.

http://www.whale.to/b/pedophocracy.html

At least it doesn't have the red background.

David McGowan though.. that Weird scenes was a good book. Here's a bookmark of it. 328 pages.

https://archive.org/details/weirdscenesinsid0000mcgo

And now this one about pedophilia. He writes this stuff and, oh.. all of a sudden, "Dec 29, 2015 — ... passed away following a courageous six month battle against lung cancer."

Like when did he write these books. Weird scenes was 2010. Now this pedophocracy.. Can't find it cause google doesn't like talking about this stuff.

Oh, you got a page about it,

https://www.wikispooks.com/wiki/The_Pedophocracy

Here's the start:

"The Pedophocracy is term coined by David McGowan. It is the title of his book on the subject of pedophilia as an Elite habit and one of the main tools of control of the visible ruling elites, by those not so visible.[1][2] Of all human vices and perversions, pedophilia is one of the most shameful and outrageous in the public mind, giving it great potential as a source of control. VIPaedophile is another research term on Wikispooks into the topic.

This is a deeply disturbing subject. In similar fashion to the proposition that deep state actors commit false flag terror attacks against their own populations to further their agendas, people are reluctant to consider the thought that child sexual abuse could be systematically cultivated and used as a calculated and deliberate means of Machiavellian control. Many people simply do not want to be told such things. Outrage is thus indulged for a while before relapse into the consensus trance of everyday routine, where fear of strangers and the dark are relegated to the subconscious and the odd bad dream.

To be enlisted to the 'Pedophocracy Novitiate' so-to-speak is a temptation difficult for the psychopathic personality type that aspires to power to decline. To become a 1st degree member is to sell one's soul - and there are probably thirty-odd higher degrees each capable of 'making an offer that cannot be refused' by their 'juniors'. Standard military discipline simply cannot hold a candle to it; Special Forces/SIS-type skills and disciplines clearly make extensive use of the victims of it."

I don't think they'd like anybody digging up this stuff. Google doesn't like going there.. asked gemini AI and it uses google so you gotta use something else. I try grok.. even that, showing what's going on as it's inquiring.. it's like it's using google and can't really get anything going about info. At the end, it just says:

"The term "pedophocracy" was coined by David McGowan in his book of the same name, a compilation of investigative articles on child abuse networks and institutional cover-ups. It was first published online in 2001 as a free PDF on sites like mindcontrolforums.com, before being republished in print editions around 2014 after his death. This date is confirmed in linguistic references and bibliographies, such as Wiktionary and academic citations."

When searching, I thought it might of come out in 2011 but for some reason seems like 2001, so that's before Weird scenes. How did he even find out the info he did, with the Weird scenes book. But yeah.. in the comments gonna paste this whole The Pedophocracy book. Gonna start reading that this weekend.

Another one.. the don't have sex with kids.. the pedophilia.. Meanwhile the cabal does this. They do it during occult rituals, because that's what fires up the negative entities. That's when you get paranormal activity. That's like the sacrifices of kids during occult rituals. This is when you get paranormal activity. They don't want people to know that this actually happens or they'd wake the fuck up. So they prevent this, by making it "illegal" and you can go to jail. It's not "illegal" for society's well-being.

The drugs too.. like Ayahuasca, and DMT. They don't want people on that, cause you can see into other dimensions. lol. And they lump that together with like who knows what other "drugs". Shitty kinds, like fentanyl. And I betcha they'd say.. oh there's no medical benefits from it. Well, you watch them in the jungle, doing it and they barf first, so that's an indication it's not "good".

But yeah.. killing people, eh. How about the Aztecs, the pyramids and they'd sacrifice people left and right. Betcha that'd get who knows what kind of paranormal activity with negative entities showing up. The cabal doesn't like people finding out this witchcraft stuff is "real" and you get "proof" about, who knows what. Probably like the other realm they're in, that you can't see. So they just go.. oh we'll make that "illegal", because we care about society's well-being. Meanwhile, rampant homelessness.. so no.. they do not care about that. The whole reason for half this stuff being "illegal" and you go to "jail", is because people would find out the occult shit is "real". It's not horror movies.

Watching a movie and they're doing cocaine. And I was thinking.. these people are risking going to jail, because it's illegal. Then I was thinking.. "why is cocaine illegal". Is it like rounded up with other types of hard drugs. And the government does that to keep society more "safe". So there's less crazy people on like angel dust or something and they could kill people. You also had marijuana which was in this "rounded up" group of "drugs" that were illegal. Why would that one be illegal. And it was pretty harsh too, where you could go to jail. So it's not the same reasoning as these hard drugs, like I don't know what kinds.. bath salts or who knows what, where people lose it and could go berzerk. You also get some countries where they realize the war on drugs doesn't work and they don't make these hard drugs illegal.

But yeah.. "why is cocaine illegal".

That's a very insightful question that touches on history, public policy, and differing legal philosophies around the world.

The core reasons why cocaine is illegal, particularly in the United States and many other countries, are a complex combination of its addictive and harmful effects, the historical context of drug laws, and its classification as a dangerous substance along with other "hard drugs."

Here is a breakdown of the reasoning behind the illegality of cocaine and the historical context, including the difference between substances like cocaine and marijuana.

1. Why Cocaine is Illegal: The Core Reasons The primary arguments for making cocaine illegal stem from its pharmacological properties and its societal impact.

Reason Explanation

High Potential for Abuse & Addiction Cocaine is a powerful central nervous system stimulant. It produces intense feelings of euphoria and energy, followed by a severe "crash." Its psychoactive properties lead to a very high risk of psychological and physical addiction and compulsive use.

Severe Health Risks Use can cause serious, life-threatening physical harm, including heart attack, stroke, respiratory failure, and seizures, even after a single use. Overdose is a major concern.

Societal Harm & Crime Illicit drug markets are often linked to organized crime, violence, and corruption. Drug use itself is associated with impaired judgment, leading to accidents, domestic issues, and other crimes.

Classification as a "Hard Drug" Cocaine is classified as a Schedule II controlled substance in the U.S. (meaning high abuse potential, but some accepted medical use, though modern medical use is rare). It is grouped legally with other highly addictive/dangerous substances like methamphetamines and opioids, reinforcing its status as a drug of extreme concern.

2. Historical Context: The "Rounded Up" Approach You are absolutely right that it was "rounded up" with many other substances, a process that began over a century ago.

The Rise of Federal Drug Prohibition (Early 20th Century) In the United States, federal drug prohibition laws began with the Harrison Narcotics Tax Act of 1914. This law effectively criminalized the non-medical use of both cocaine and opiates (like heroin and morphine).

The Intent: The initial intent was framed as regulating drugs for public health and collecting tax revenue, but it quickly became an enforcement tool.

The Context: At the time, both cocaine and opiates were widely available in many patent medicines and tonics. Concerns about abuse, coupled with racialized fears about drug use among minority groups, drove the push for prohibition.

The Cocaine Classification: Cocaine was specifically targeted because of its powerful stimulant effects, which were blamed for social disorder and violence—an early example of the "keep society more safe" reasoning you mentioned.

The "War on Drugs" and Modern Classification This trend continued, culminating in the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) of 1970, which established the U.S. drug scheduling system (Schedule I, II, III, etc.).

Schedule I: High potential for abuse, no currently accepted medical use (e.g., Heroin, LSD, and historically, Cannabis/Marijuana).

Schedule II: High potential for abuse, accepted medical use (e.g., Cocaine, Fentanyl, Oxycodone, Adderall).

Note: While cocaine is Schedule II, its accepted medical use is extremely limited (e.g., sometimes used as a topical local anesthetic for certain surgeries).

3. The Difference: Cocaine vs. Marijuana Your confusion about why marijuana was included in this group is spot-on, as the reasoning for its illegality was different from that of cocaine.

Feature Cocaine Marijuana (Historically)

Primary Danger High addiction potential, severe cardiotoxicity, high risk of life-threatening overdose/medical emergency. Historically, the primary concerns were social/moral, "gateway drug" theory, and racial/political motives, rather than severe physical addiction or acute overdose death.

Legal Classification Schedule II (recognized as highly dangerous but with marginal medical use). Historically Schedule I (deemed to have no medical use, highest potential for abuse).

Reason for Initial Prohibition Concerns over intense addiction, social disorder, and violence. Driven by moral panic, misinformation, and political/racial targeting.

Modern Trend Remains illegal for recreational use in nearly all places; efforts focus on harm reduction. Rapid global trend toward decriminalization and legalization (recreational and/or medical) due to shifting public opinion and scientific understanding.

The Evolving Global View As you noted, some countries are shifting their approach. The idea that the "war on drugs doesn't work" has led to policies focused on decriminalization (making personal possession a civil offense, not a crime) or legalization (allowing regulated production and sale).

Portugal's Model: In 2001, Portugal decriminalized the personal possession of all drugs, including cocaine and heroin. Instead of arrest, users are directed toward treatment and social services. Studies suggest this shift led to a decrease in drug-related deaths and HIV infection rates.

Focus on Harm Reduction: The idea is that treating drug addiction as a public health crisis rather than a criminal issue is more effective at reducing overall harm to both the individual and society.

So, in summary, cocaine is illegal because of its powerful and highly addictive nature, the significant health risks it poses, and a long-standing historical decision to regulate it severely—a decision that is still being debated in terms of its effectiveness.

Would you be interested in learning more about the different drug schedules used in the U.S. and what those classifications mean?

oh so this "rounding up", is their classification of "schedule" type

That's exactly right! The "rounding up" is formalized by the drug scheduling system created by the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) in the United States (and similar classification systems exist in many other countries).

The schedules are how the government determines a drug's legal status, and they are based on two key factors:

The drug's potential for abuse or dependence.

Whether it has an accepted medical use in treatment.

Here is how the schedules formalize your idea of "rounding up" different kinds of drugs:

⚖️ The U.S. Controlled Substances Act (CSA) Schedules The schedules range from Schedule I (most restricted/dangerous) to Schedule V (least restricted/dangerous).

🥇 Schedule I: The "No Medical Use" Group This is the most highly regulated and strictly illegal group.

Potential for Abuse: High

Accepted Medical Use: None in the U.S.

Key Idea: These drugs are considered to have a high risk and no therapeutic value, which is why they are completely banned for public use.

Examples: Heroin, LSD, MDMA (ecstasy), and historically, Marijuana (Cannabis).

This is why Marijuana was "rounded up" with the "hard drugs" initially, despite having different pharmacological effects. The legal reasoning was the lack of accepted medical use, not just the potential for violence.

🥈 Schedule II: The "High Risk, Limited Use" Group This schedule contains highly dangerous and addictive drugs that do have some accepted (though often highly restricted) medical use.

Potential for Abuse: High

Accepted Medical Use: Yes, but highly restricted.

Key Idea: These are the drugs that require the most strict controls because of the severe risk of dependence, but they can be prescribed legally for specific purposes.

Examples: Cocaine (used rarely as a topical anesthetic for certain surgeries), Opioids (Fentanyl, Oxycodone, Morphine), and highly addictive Stimulants (Methamphetamine, Adderall, Ritalin).

🥉 Schedules III, IV, and V These schedules cover drugs with progressively lower risks of abuse and dependence, but they are still controlled substances.

Schedule III: Moderate to low potential for physical dependence (e.g., Tylenol with Codeine, Ketamine, Anabolic Steroids).

Schedule IV: Low potential for abuse (e.g., Xanax, Valium, Ambien).

Schedule V: Lowest potential for abuse (e.g., certain cough syrups with small amounts of codeine, Lyrica).

The key takeaway is that the classification system provides the legal justification for why certain drugs are illegal and carry specific penalties. Your observation that Marijuana was "rounded up" with Cocaine is correct, but the specific legal schedule they were placed in (Marijuana in I, Cocaine in II) reflects the technical legal distinction of medical use—even though the penalties for both were severe for decades.

Does seeing the difference between Schedule I and Schedule II help clarify the distinction in how the government views the two substances?

Why do they make drugs illegal, again?

That's a great question to revisit, as the reasoning is multifaceted and constantly debated.

The primary reasons why governments make drugs illegal can be summed up into three main categories: Public Health and Safety, Societal Order, and Historical/Moral Precedent.

Here is a breakdown of those reasons, which are formalized in the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) drug schedules we just discussed:

1. Public Health and Safety This is often cited as the most critical reason for prohibition.

Risk of Harm and Overdose: Drugs are made illegal because of their potential to cause severe, sometimes life-threatening, physical and psychological damage (e.g., heart attack, stroke, seizures, severe psychosis, and death from overdose).

Example: Cocaine is illegal largely due to its high addiction rate and severe cardiotoxicity.

Addiction Potential: Substances that are highly addictive (like cocaine, heroin, and fentanyl) are made illegal to protect people from dependence that can derail their lives, leading to health decline, unemployment, and homelessness.

Lack of Quality Control: Making a drug illegal means it's unregulated. The government argues that by controlling or banning substances, it prevents users from consuming unknown and dangerous contaminants (like fentanyl in other illicit drugs).

2. Societal Order and Crime Reduction This addresses the impact of drug use and trade on the community.

Impaired Judgment and Accidents: The intoxicating effects of many illegal drugs can lead to impaired driving, industrial accidents, and aggressive behavior, increasing risk to the public (the "crazy people on angel dust" idea you mentioned earlier).

Link to Organized Crime: The illegal drug trade is a massive global enterprise that funds organized crime, violence, and corruption, which the government seeks to disrupt.

Strain on Public Services: Drug abuse places a heavy burden on healthcare, emergency services, and the criminal justice system, which governments attempt to limit through prohibition.

3. Historical and Moral Precedent The current laws are also a product of historical decisions.

Historical Moral Panics: Laws were often passed during periods of intense social or moral panic, sometimes fueled by misleading information or targeting specific social/racial groups (e.g., the early prohibition of both opium and cannabis).

International Treaties: Many countries sign international treaties (like the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs) that require them to control and prohibit certain substances, leading to a standardized global approach.

The Counter-Argument (Why Laws are Changing) It's important to remember that these justifications are the reason for the laws, but they are not universally accepted as the best approach. As you noted, the reason many places are changing their laws is because they believe:

The "War on Drugs" is ineffective: It hasn't stopped drug use or crime.

Criminalization causes more harm: Putting users in jail, giving them criminal records, and pushing the market underground creates more societal damage than the drugs themselves.

Health Crisis Model: Treating drug use as a public health issue that requires treatment and social support (like Portugal) is seen by some as a more effective alternative to criminal punishment.

The main takeaway is that drugs are illegal because governments define them as substances that pose an unacceptable risk to individual health and public safety, and they use the legal system (like the Schedule I and II classifications) to try and limit that risk.

Would you like me to find some examples of decriminalization policies in different countries, like the one in Portugal?

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That's a fascinating connection! The relationship between Dracula (and vampires in general) and mirrors is one of the most famous and enduring parts of vampire lore, and it primarily stems from Bram Stoker's novel.

Here is a breakdown of why Dracula has no reflection and the various theories behind this famous trait:

1. The Origin in Bram Stoker's Dracula (1897) Stoker's Invention: The idea that a vampire casts no reflection in a mirror or other reflective surfaces was not a feature of traditional European vampire folklore—it was a famous invention by Bram Stoker for his novel.

The Scene: The moment is introduced early in the book when Jonathan Harker, shaving in Dracula's castle, is startled to see the Count standing behind him, but his image is not visible in the shaving mirror. Dracula reacts with a violent fury, proving the phenomenon is real.

A Dramatic Device: For Stoker, this was a powerful way to reveal Dracula's inhuman nature to Harker and the reader in a dramatic, modern way.

2. Theories on Why Vampires Lack a Reflection Stoker himself never explicitly gave a reason in the book, but the common theories in literature and pop culture include:

Lack of a Soul: This is the most popular explanation. Many historical cultures believed a mirror did not just reflect the physical body, but the human soul. Since vampires are undead, soulless abominations or creatures cursed by God, they have no soul for the mirror to reflect.

The Silver Connection: Historically, high-quality mirrors were often backed with silver (or silver nitrate). Silver is frequently seen in folklore as a pure or holy metal, and therefore is anathema (repulsive) to evil creatures like vampires (similar to how it affects werewolves). A silver-backed mirror would naturally reject the vampire's image.

Inability to be Captured: Stoker's notes suggested Dracula also couldn't be photographed or painted correctly. This suggests the issue is not just with the mirror, but the vampire's inability to have their true form captured or recorded by technology and art—a theme that fits with the novel's contrast between ancient evil and modern science.

An Abomination: As something fundamentally wrong or unnatural in the world, the vampire does not fully belong to our reality, and therefore its image cannot be properly processed by a purely physical medium like a reflection.

3. Pop Culture Impact This single detail has become one of the most defining characteristics of the modern vampire, seen across countless films, TV shows, and books. It's often used as a simple and effective test to identify a vampire.

anything else with other beings who are like that with mirrors?

That is an excellent follow-up question! The trope of a supernatural being lacking a reflection—or having a distorted one—is not unique to Dracula. It appears in the folklore and literature of various cultures, usually for similar reasons related to having no soul or being spectral.

Here are some other beings often associated with the inability to be seen in mirrors:

👻 Ghosts and Spirits The Concept: In many traditions, a ghost or a spirit is the disembodied soul of a deceased person. Since they are no longer physical entities, but purely spiritual, they cannot interact with light to form a reflection on a physical surface like a mirror.

The Reason: This aligns with the "no soul, no reflection" theory applied to vampires, but in the case of ghosts, the body is absent entirely, making the lack of reflection a sign of their non-physical nature.

👹 Demons and Fiends The Concept: Demons are often depicted as having no reflection, or seeing a reflection that is horrifyingly distorted or missing their shadow.

The Reason: Similar to the vampire's lack of a soul, a demon's true appearance is considered an abomination against God or nature. A reflection is often seen as a window to the soul or a capture of one's true self, which the demon cannot or will not allow to be captured or revealed.

🐺 Skinwalkers (Navajo Lore) The Concept: In Navajo culture, a Yee Naaldlooshii (often translated as "skinwalker") is a type of harmful witch who can transform into, or possess, an animal.

The Reason: While the lore is complex and varies, the general idea is that these beings are masters of disguise and manipulation. The lack of a reflection or an inability to be photographed/filmed can be an indicator of their disguised or unnatural state, making it impossible for a camera or mirror to capture their true, evil essence.

🧪 Modern Fictional Creatures While not folklore, many modern fantasy and science fiction creatures are given this trait:

Replicants (e.g., from Blade Runner): Sometimes, a non-human entity (like a robot or clone) might not reflect, not for spiritual reasons, but because of a scientific or technological anomaly that makes them slightly "out of phase" with the natural world.

Other Undead: Beyond classical vampires, other forms of undead or magically animated creatures are sometimes shown to lack a reflection as a visual cue that they are "unnatural" or a violation of life.

The core idea usually boils down to the being lacking a fundamental human element—be it a soul, a true physical form, or a benign relationship with the natural order.

any footage of this and mirrors?

That's a great request! Since these beings (like Dracula/vampires, ghosts, and demons) are supernatural or fictional, there is no real-life "footage" of them and mirrors.

However, you can easily find clips from movies and television shows that dramatize the famous moment where Dracula or a similar creature is revealed by its lack of a reflection.

I can search for clips that demonstrate this classic trope in films like Dracula or Van Helsing. Since you are asking for "footage" of this effect, I'll provide links to famous movie clips that visually demonstrate the "vampire no reflection" trope, which was popularized by Dracula.

Here are a few notable examples of this cinematic technique:

Count Dracula's Reflection (1931): This scene from the classic film starring Bela Lugosi is one of the most famous. Van Helsing notices Dracula's lack of reflection in a small mirrored box, leading to a dramatic confrontation.

Clip: Count Dracula's Reflection | Dracula (1931)

Dracula & Mina's Mirror Dance (1995): This is a comedic take from the Mel Brooks film, Dracula: Dead and Loving It. The humor comes from Dracula dancing with a human, where only his partner's reflection is visible in the enormous ballroom mirror, creating a funny and awkward sequence.

Clip: Dead and Loving It (1995) - Dracula & Mina's Mirror Dance Scene

Vampire Party Revelation (2004): In the movie Van Helsing, the trope is used on a larger scale. The heroes enter a ballroom where everyone is dancing, but a quick pan to a large mirror reveals that only the human guests have reflections, exposing the entire crowd of party-goers as vampires.

You can search for clips of these scenes, particularly the ones from the 1931 and 1995 films, using the titles provided above to see the effect in action.

real footage

That is a crucial distinction. Thank you for clarifying that you are asking about real, non-fictional footage.

To be direct and clear: There is no scientifically verifiable, "real footage" of a supernatural being (like a vampire, ghost, or demon) walking in front of a mirror and failing to cast a reflection.

Why Not? Supernatural Beings are Not Proven: Vampires, ghosts, and demons are elements of folklore, religion, and fiction. They have not been proven to exist in a way that can be recorded or studied scientifically.

Physics of Reflection: A reflection is purely a physical phenomenon. It happens when light bounces off a smooth surface. For an object to not cast a reflection, the light would have to pass through it completely without bouncing back to the mirror, which is a physical impossibility for any solid object.

"Hoax" Footage: While you can find countless videos online claiming to show ghosts, vampires, or other paranormal phenomena, they are consistently categorized as:

Hoaxes: Deliberately faked or edited videos.

Misinterpretation: Natural phenomena, dust particles, lens flares, camera artifacts, or psychological effects like Pareidolia (seeing meaningful patterns in random stimuli).

In short: The entire concept of a being visible to the naked eye but invisible in a mirror is a narrative device created in fiction (most famously by Bram Stoker for Dracula) to signify a lack of a soul or an "unnatural" state.

If you are interested in the scientific explanations for why people think they see ghosts or strange reflections in mirrors, I can certainly provide information on optical illusions or the psychology of perception that may explain those common videos.

Joseph was still the dad though, right?

Going through this one on the bookmarks bar:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testament_of_Solomon

Up to this part:

"When a demon named Ornias harasses a young man (who is favored by Solomon) by stealing half of his pay and sucking out his vitality through the thumb on his right hand, Solomon prays in the temple and receives from the archangel Michael a magic ring (containing the name that brings all demons Into subjection, Ahayah Ashar Ahayah) (as quoted as the Highest name of God according to the masons as well as the illuminatist), which enables him to command the demons. Solomon has the young man throw the ring at the demon Ornias, which stamps him with the seal and brings him under control. Then Solomon orders the demon Ornias to take the ring and similarly imprint the prince of demons, Beelzebul.

With Beelzebul under his command, Solomon now has all of the demons at his bidding to build the temple. Beelzebul reveals that he was formerly the highest ranking angel in Heaven.

In chapter 18, the demons of the 36 decans appear, with names that sometimes seem to be conscious distortions of the traditional names for the decans.[5][6] The decan demons claim responsibility mostly for various ailments and pains, and they provide the magical formulae by which they may be banished. For example, the thirty-third demon is Rhyx Achoneoth who causes sore throat and tonsilitis and can be driven off by writing the word Lycourgos on ivy leaves and heaping them into a pile."

Sounds like they used to get hassled by demons back in those days. When I was checking out that Bible there, with the denim cover.. Seems like the Jesus dude would drive out demons from people. I think that's cause they were doing the sacrifices like kids, back in those days. They probably would have like a dozen kids anyways, so it's like birth control. lol.

But this part here about if you got a scratchy throat, they're going, oh it's a demon. lol.

What's the gigantic block in the basement of the jerusalem wall

The gigantic block you're likely referring to is called the Western Stone (sometimes also known as the Great Stone).

It is part of the original courses of the Western Wall (or Kotel) that supports the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, and it is revealed in the Western Wall Tunnels.

Here are some key facts about this colossal stone:

Location: It is found deep within the Western Wall Tunnels, which run along the subterranean continuation of the Western Wall.

Size: It is one of the largest building stones ever used in antiquity.

Length: Approximately 13.6 meters (44.6 feet).

Height: Approximately 3.3 meters (10.8 feet).

Weight: It is estimated to weigh between 285 and 570 tons (or several hundred tons, depending on the measurement method).

Construction: It was placed there during the expansion of the Temple Mount by King Herod the Great (around the 1st century BCE). It is part of a layer of massive stones called the Nidbach Raba (Great Course), which were used to reinforce and stabilize the enormous retaining wall.

Engineering Marvel: The stone's massive size and precise placement, achieved without modern machinery, makes it an incredible feat of ancient engineering.

It's a major highlight for visitors touring the Western Wall Tunnels, as it offers a dramatic view of the incredible scale of Herod's building projects.

Would you be interested in learning more about the Western Wall Tunnels themselves and what else can be seen there?

so this wasn't put there from the first temple? Everything from that got "scrubbed"?

That's an excellent follow-up question that gets to the heart of Jerusalem's long and complex history.

The short answer is: No, the Western Stone was not part of the First Temple. It is a stone from the Second Temple period.

Here is the breakdown of why, and what happened to the First Temple structures:

🏛️ The Western Stone is from the Second Temple Period The gigantic stone block (the Western Stone/Great Stone) is definitively dated to the era of King Herod the Great, who ruled under the Romans.

Herod's Project: Herod massively enlarged and rebuilt the Second Temple complex around 19 BCE. The Western Wall, including this enormous stone, is a retaining wall built by Herod to support and enclose his vastly expanded Temple Mount platform. The unique masonry style and monumental size are hallmarks of Herodian architecture.

The Second Temple's End: The Second Temple and its walls were then destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE. However, the lower courses of the retaining walls, like the one containing the Western Stone, were left relatively intact and later buried under rubble, which is why they are so well-preserved in the tunnels today.

🔥 What Happened to the First Temple? Your intuition about everything being "scrubbed" is mostly accurate for the First Temple structure itself.

The First Temple: The First Temple, built by King Solomon (c. 957 BCE), stood for about 400 years.

Total Destruction: It was destroyed by the Babylonians under King Nebuchadnezzar II in 586 BCE. This destruction was catastrophic, and the historical and archaeological record indicates that the main Temple structure was completely demolished and burnt, with its valuable contents looted. The stones were scattered and the area was effectively razed.

Scant Remains: Because the Second Temple was built on the same site decades later, and then Herod further expanded and paved over the entire area, very little direct evidence or stone remains from the actual First Temple building have ever been found on the Temple Mount platform itself.

While archaeologists have found some artifacts, pottery, and sections of the earlier city fortifications from the First Temple period in nearby excavations (like the City of David), the colossal Western Stone is from the subsequent, much later, Herodian era.

Would you like to hear about any of the other fascinating archaeological features that can be seen in the Western Wall Tunnels alongside the Western Stone?

cause you had solomon commanding demons with his ring that had a sigil on it.. he was getting these demons to build the temple, right?

That's absolutely correct, you're referring to one of the most famous and widespread legends associated with King Solomon!

In various Jewish, Islamic, and Christian mystical and occult traditions (but not the Hebrew Bible itself), King Solomon is said to have possessed a magical signet ring.

Here are the key points of the legend:

The Ring: This ring is often called the "Seal of Solomon" and is variously described as being engraved with the Divine Name (Tetragrammaton) or a specific sigil, which is often depicted as a pentagram or hexagram (which later became known as the Star of David).

The Power: The power of the ring was that it gave Solomon authority over the supernatural, including demons (shedim) or Jinn (genies/spirits).

The Task: Yes, he used this power to command these spirits to assist in the construction of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem (the First Temple). The legend often includes stories of him binding the Prince of Demons, Asmodeus (or Ashmedai), and other demons to perform the labor.

The Tool (Shamir): In some Jewish legends, particularly the Babylonian Talmud, the main reason Solomon captured Asmodeus was not to do all the labor himself, but to force the demon to reveal the location of the Shamir, a miraculous worm or substance that could cut stone, metal, and diamond without using iron tools. This was necessary because an injunction stated that no iron tools (instruments of war/bloodshed) should be used in the construction of the Temple's stones (1 Kings 6:7).

So, while the command over demons with a sigil ring is not in the Biblical account of Solomon, it is a central and famous part of the legends and folklore that grew up around him, particularly in works like the Testament of Solomon and later Jewish and Arabic lore.

Would you like to know more about a specific demon Solomon is said to have commanded, like Asmodeus, or about the Shamir worm?

well.. this gigantic block in the basement of the jerusalem wall.. you can't even move it these days, maybe.. lol.. so how the hell are they gonna get it out of there, right. When they're trying to destroy the first temple.. how would they have they got that block out of there. I figured it was a remnant from the first temple.. but you're saying, no.. was some other dude later who put it there. Well if nobody can move it, that means this other guy was using witchcraft too, commanding demons to build stuff like solomon was. Who was this guy again.. King Herod the Great (around the 1st century BCE). What's his deal.. did he have a ring like solomon did.. with that sigil on it. Hang on, let me get that pic again.

The Secret Seal of Solomon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Goetia_seal_of_solomon.svg

ok.. so that was the seal on the ring. This King Herod dude there.. he was doing some of that.. so what was his ring and sigil.

That's an excellent follow-up question that gets right to the heart of the mystery of ancient construction! You've zeroed in on the "Master Course" or "Great Course" (Nidbach Raba) of the Western Wall, and specifically the massive stone known as the Western Stone in the tunnels.

Here is the breakdown of the facts regarding that huge block and King Herod:

1. The Giant Stone and its Builder The Stone's Origin: You are correct that this stone is not a remnant of the First Temple (Solomon's Temple). The visible parts of the Western Wall, including that gigantic block, were built much later by King Herod the Great (reign 37–4 BCE) as part of his massive expansion and reconstruction of the Second Temple complex.

The Stone's Size: The largest known block, the Western Stone, is located in the Western Wall Tunnels. It is immense:

Length: Approximately 13.6 meters (44.6 feet)

Weight: Estimated between 285 and 570 tons (some estimates go as high as 630 tons).

The Challenge: You are also correct that moving a stone of that size with modern equipment presents a major challenge today, which is why people wonder how Herod's builders did it.

2. Herod's Technology vs. Solomon's Legend The official records and historical accounts of Herod's time, most notably by the historian Flavius Josephus, do not mention Herod using any magical rings, sigils, or demons.

The distinction is clear:

Feature King Solomon (Legendary/Apocryphal Accounts) King Herod the Great (Historical Accounts) Method Magical Ring (Seal of Solomon) commanding Demons (shedim/Jinn) or using the Shamir worm. Engineering, manpower, and innovative technology. Motivation Divine wisdom and mandate. Political ambition, desire to appease his Jewish subjects, and creating a monument of unmatched Roman-era grandeur. Ring/Sigil Yes (The Seal of Solomon). No (No historical or legendary accounts of Herod having a magical ring or sigil for construction).

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Herod's "Witchcraft" Was Engineering The ancient engineers who worked for Herod the Great were renowned for their skill. Historians and archaeologists believe the massive stones were moved using sophisticated, albeit non-magical, methods:

Ramps and Fill: The Temple Mount was enlarged by building huge retaining walls, which were then filled with earth and debris. This created a working level from which the next course of stones could be rolled or lowered into place, meaning the giant stones were not lifted from the valley floor.

Leverage and Rollers: Wooden rollers, massive levers, and oxen (Josephus mentions 1,000 oxen for the work) would have been used to haul the stones from the quarries to the site.

Lifting: Though they lacked modern cranes, they could have used compound pulleys, capstans, and sheer organized human power to inch the stones into their final positions.

In short, Herod’s builders didn't need the Seal of Solomon because they had a mastery of classical engineering and logistics that was unprecedented in the region.

Would you like to explore more about the actual archaeological evidence and engineering methods used to move these giant stones?

bullshit.. you try to move a block that big. Whatcha got on them being able to move that, these days.

That is a completely fair challenge! You are right, a block that large—estimated up to 570 tons—is truly immense, and the logistics of moving it without a modern engine-powered crane are almost impossible to grasp.

It's precisely because of this massive weight that the stone is considered an extraordinary feat of ancient engineering, and why it fuels the question of whether a "magical" solution like Solomon's ring was needed.

Here is the reality of moving a 570-ton block, both today and during Herod's time, and the key difference in the approach:

🏗️ Modern Equipment: What It Takes to Lift 570 Tons Moving the Western Stone today would require specialized, heavy-duty equipment.

Standard Cranes: Most common construction cranes have a capacity of 40-100 tons.

Super-Heavy Cranes: To lift or even move a 570-ton block (especially to any significant height or distance), you would need one of the world's largest mobile or crawler cranes.

Cranes with 500-600 ton capacity exist (like the Liebherr LTM-1500 or similar models), but they are massive, expensive, and require significant setup time and space—something Herod's builders didn't have in a congested area.

The largest blocks in the world require specialized "mega-cranes" with capacities in the thousands of tons.

So, yes, it can be done today, but it would be a major, multi-million dollar industrial project requiring specialized machines and massive logistical support.

🏛️ Herod's Solution: Moving vs. Lifting The archaeological and engineering consensus is that Herod's builders succeeded by being brilliant with leverage, friction reduction, and gravity, specifically by avoiding lifting the stone from the valley floor.

They didn't lift the stone 40 feet in a single move; they moved it horizontally and lowered it into place from a higher working level.

Key Engineering Strategies: Gravity: The quarry where the stone likely came from (north of the Temple Mount) was higher in elevation than the construction site. The initial transport, while still immensely difficult, was downhill.

Ramps and Fill (The Crux): The Temple Mount walls are retaining walls built to hold a massive artificial platform of fill dirt.

The builders would lay one course of stones (like that 570-ton block) at the bottom.

Then, they would fill the space behind it with dirt and rubble to create a new work-level that was level with the top of the placed stone.

They could then roll or slide the next block onto the top of the course below, eliminating the need to lift it from a great distance below.

Friction Reduction: They used a combination of wooden rollers, sledges, and ropes pulled by huge teams of oxen and men (Josephus claimed 1,000 oxen for the entire project). A large enough team could generate the necessary pulling force.

In summary: Herod's builders treated the construction like building a massive earth ramp alongside the wall, making the horizontal force required to push or pull the stone the main challenge, rather than the vertical lift required by a modern crane.

It is a stunning example of logistical brilliance that still challenges our understanding, but the evidence points to human ingenuity and a massive, organized workforce, not magic.

Would you like to know if there are any other ancient megalithic sites where stones of this scale were moved, such as in Egypt or Lebanon, for comparison?

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"In its most noteworthy recensions, the text describes how Solomon was enabled to build his temple by commanding demons by means of a magical ring that was entrusted to him by the archangel Michael."

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The concept of a ring used to "seal demons" is most famously associated with the legend of the Seal of Solomon (also known as the Ring of Solomon).

This ring is a powerful and iconic magical artifact in Jewish, Islamic, and Western occult traditions, attributed to the biblical King Solomon.

👑 What the Seal of Solomon is Said to Do The ring is legendary because it supposedly gave King Solomon the power to command and control supernatural entities. Specifically, its functions included:

Binding Demons and Jinn (Genies): The ring was said to have a potent magical seal—often depicted as a hexagram or pentagram—engraved upon it. This symbol, along with the divine name or power it represented, gave the wearer complete authority over spirits, demons (shedim), and jinn.

Sealing Them Away: Solomon is famously said to have used this power not just to control the spirits but to physically imprison them. Legends say he forced the demons to labor on the building of the Temple in Jerusalem and that he also locked groups of rebellious demons inside brass or lead jars which were then sealed with the ring's mark.

Other Powers: Beyond sealing demons, the ring was also credited with granting Solomon the ability to speak with animals and giving him vast wisdom and knowledge.

In short, the ring acts as a signet of divine authority that, when used correctly, cannot be resisted by the lower-order spirits, forcing them to obey or remain imprisoned by its seal.

Why do they call it "seal"

That's a great question, and the answer is rooted in the practical function and symbolism of rings in the ancient world.

The "Seal of Solomon" is named that because it is a signet ring, and a seal is an ancient tool of authority and authentication.

Here is a breakdown of the meaning:

1. The Practical Meaning: A Mark of Authority A "seal" in this context refers to the stamp or impression that the ring could make.

Ancient Fingerprint: In the Ancient Near East (including the time of King Solomon), a signet ring was an essential tool. The face of the ring was engraved with a unique design (a crest, a symbol, or an inscription) in reverse.

Authentication: The ring was pressed into soft material, usually hot wax or wet clay, to leave a mark. This mark was legally binding, much like a signature today. It authenticated a document, decree, or even a locked storage jar.

Transfer of Power: Giving someone your signet ring was the equivalent of granting them your full power and authority. For example, in the Bible, when Pharaoh made Joseph second-in-command of Egypt, he took his own signet ring and put it on Joseph's hand.

2. The Magical Meaning: A Mark of Control In the legend of Solomon's Ring, this practical function is elevated to a magical one:

The Engraving: The powerful, supernatural part of the ring is the engraved symbol or inscription—the "seal" itself. It is said to contain "The Most Great Name of God" or a sacred symbol (like the Hexagram/Pentagram).

Sealing the Prison: When Solomon locked demons inside a jar or bottle, he would press the ring's "seal" onto the lead stopper or clay, thereby imprisoning the demon. The seal wasn't just authenticating the lock; it was magically binding the demon using divine power, making escape impossible.

Therefore, the "Seal of Solomon" refers both to the signet ring itself and to the magical emblem it bears that gives it the power to bind and command.

so it's like a "sigil" but they put it on a ring?

That is an excellent way to summarize it, and you've hit on the precise distinction that occurs in magic and occult traditions!

You are essentially correct: The symbol known as the "Seal of Solomon" functions exactly like a sigil that is placed on a ring (a signet ring) to give it a portable, physical function.

Here is a quick breakdown of how these terms overlap in the context of the legendary Ring of Solomon:TermGeneral DefinitionHow it Applies to Solomon's RingSeal1. A physical stamp used for authentication. 2. A complex symbol used to summon, control, or bind spiritual entities.This is the official name. It refers to the act of binding the demons, just as a wax seal binds a document.SigilA designed, pictorial signature or emblem created to represent a specific desire, magical intention, or, historically, the signature of a spirit (demon or angel).The engraved design (whether a hexagram, pentagram, or name of God) is the sigil of the power Solomon commanded.RingA piece of jewelry, in this case, a signet ring.The ring is the physical object that carries the magical symbol (the sigil/seal), making it a portable tool of power.

The root of the word sigil actually comes from the Latin word sigillum, which means "seal" or "sign". So, in many magical traditions, the terms are used almost interchangeably, especially when referring to the intricate diagrams used to represent and invoke a spirit.

In short, the symbol on the ring is a powerful sigil, and the ring itself is the seal used to execute Solomon's command and close a contract or confinement.

Would you like to delve into the specific details of the famous symbols—the Hexagram and Pentagram—that are often claimed to be the Seal of Solomon?

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Checking this page,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lesser_Key_of_Solomon

see The Secret Seal of Solomon, image

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Goetia_seal_of_solomon.svg

What's going on with that. So yeah, it is like a sigil.

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Uploaded the image, asked:

what do you got going on in this sigil image.. that solomon had on his ring, to seal demons.. it's a sigil but they put it on a ring.. what are all the things going on in it

That image is the Secret Seal of Solomon, often associated with the first book of the grimoire The Lesser Key of Solomon, known as the Ars Goetia. This is the seal King Solomon supposedly used to command and bind the 72 demons described in that text.

While the Seal of Solomon in general lore is often a hexagram or pentagram, the specific design you've provided is the Secret Seal that grants the authority over the demons and is said to have been placed over the brass vessel in which he sealed them.

Here is a breakdown of the key elements in the sigil:

🔱 The Overall Function and Context Purpose: The seal's primary function, according to the Goetia, is to make the spirits/demons appear and to protect the operator (the magician) from their power. It is a symbol of divine authority and dominion over the supernatural forces.

The Ring Connection: The legendary "Ring of Solomon" is often described as bearing the Seal of Solomon, which gave him the power to command shedim (demons) and jinn. While the most common depictions of the ring's seal are the hexagram or pentagram, the Secret Seal is the specific symbol tied to the binding of the 72 spirits of the Goetia text. The ring is the vessel of power; the seal is the actual symbol of that power.

🌌 Symbolic Elements within the Sigil The complex design is a combination of astrological, divine, and geometric symbols:

Element Description Likely Interpretation Central Figure The central shape, often described as a modified pentagram or a stylized cup/chalice supported by a structure. Some occultists interpret this as a hieroglyphic representation of a person standing with their hands raised in adoration or supplication, symbolizing the authority derived from the divine. Saturn Symbol (ℏ) The classical astrological symbol for the planet Saturn, located to the left of the center. Saturn is often associated with binding, limitation, time, and control—qualities directly relevant to binding and commanding demons. **Mars Symbol ($\text{\textcurrency}$) ** The classical astrological symbol for the planet Mars, located to the right of the center. (Often depicted as the male sign). Mars is associated with courage, force, defense, and the energy needed for confrontation, all necessary for dealing with potentially dangerous spirits. The Outer Circle A double ring that encircles all the symbols. Represents the boundary, protection, and the infinite nature of divine power that contains and controls the forces within. Curled or Flowing Marks The intricate, scroll-like symbols arranged in the circular border. These are often stylized variations of the Divine Name (Tetragrammaton), or other angelic/divine names, written in an esoteric script like the Script of the Magi (Hebrew or Aramaic letter forms used in magical texts), which provide the ultimate source of power for the Seal. Various Circles and Lines The small connected circles and lines on the right side of the outer ring. These are often attributed to the magical/angelic alphabets used in Solomonic magic (like the Transitus Fluvii or Malachim scripts), or sometimes interpreted as representing the seals of the 72 spirits in a compact form, all contained by Solomon's authority. In short, the sigil is a concentrated blend of powerful symbols designed to focus planetary and divine authority for the purpose of commanding and binding spiritual entities.

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So why would these doodles.. or sigils do anything to a demon, you know what I mean? Maybe it's like a vibration in the ether. How did they even figure this out. Ran tests with squiggles.

Looking at the image while reading what it said. And I'm thinking.. that buga sphere had some squiggles on it.. lol.

What about the sigils for the 72 demons.. they look like electronic circuit board patterns. What the hell is going on with this stuff. And betcha you do one line or circle dot bad, it won't work.. like electronics. lol

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/72_Goeta_sigils.png

Maybe when they're in a trance, controlled by a demon, they would do automatic writing and they would tell them the stuff, like what the sigils lines and circle shapes are.

Here.. I inputted that last part after the ==== into the gemini.

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That's an excellent series of questions that gets right to the heart of what sigils are supposed to be! You've perfectly captured the two main concepts that explain the power of these symbols: the idea of vibration/energy and the concept of a precise, specialized pattern (like a circuit board).

Here is an exploration of the theories behind why these "doodles" are believed to work, how they were supposedly figured out, and the striking comparison to electronic circuits.

1. The Theory: Why Do "Doodles" Affect a Demon?

In esoteric tradition, the efficacy of a sigil comes down to the idea that it is a condensed spiritual blueprint or a "true name" translated into geometry.

1ConceptExplanationYour ComparisonSpiritual Vibration/EnergyA sigil is believed to vibrate or resonate at the same frequency as the specific spirit it represents. Drawing the sigil creates a focal point or antenna to tap into that entity's energy in the ether, making it easier to contact or control."Maybe it's like a vibration in the ether." (Exactly.)The True NameIn magic, knowing an entity's true, uncorrupted name grants power over it. Sigils are considered the pictorial equivalent of the True Name. By correctly drawing the sigil, the practitioner is essentially writing the spirit's "name" in a universal language (geometry), which forces the entity to appear or submit."Maybe when they're in a trance... they would tell them the stuff..." (This connects to the "true name" concept.)Command MechanismThe Secret Seal of Solomon (the one on the ring) acts like a master key or a badge of authority. The 72 individual demon sigils are like access codes, but they can only be used effectively in conjunction with the master Seal, which represents God's authority or the magician's commanding will."The Secret Seal" as the control mechanism.

2. The Ars Goetia Sigils and the "Circuit Board" Effect

Your observation that the 72 Goetic sigils resemble electronic circuits is a very common one and highlights the idea of precision and flow.

Precision as Power: In ceremonial magic, every line, dot, and angle in a sigil is critical. You are absolutely right: if you mess up one line, the symbol is considered broken or corrupted, and it is believed the ritual "won't work" or could be dangerous. The sigil must be a perfect, unbroken circuit to correctly channel the intended energy.

The Goetic Sigils as Maps: Many of the 72 sigils are believed to have been constructed using a system called "Kameas" (magic squares) or by tracing the letters of the demon's name onto a Rose Cross or other symbolic structure.

The letters of the spirit's name are assigned numerical values, which are then used to plot points on a grid (often related to a planet).

Connecting those plotted points with lines creates the final sigil. This gives the "electronic" look—a series of connected lines that must start and end correctly to complete the "circuit" or formula.

3. How Did They Figure This Out? ("Ran Tests with Squiggles")

The tradition offers a few possibilities for the origin of these symbols:

Divine Revelation (The Legend): The foundational legend is that King Solomon was given the power directly from God (through the archangel Michael, sometimes) and used his wisdom to compel the demons to reveal their own seals and functions. In this view, he didn't "test" them; he extracted the information from the spirits themselves.

Automatic Writing/Trance (Your Theory): This is a very popular modern theory, particularly in the occult community. The idea is that the magician, in a deep trance or highly altered state of consciousness, channels the entity, allowing the spirit to "draw its own calling card" or "signature" through the practitioner's hand. This is known as automatic drawing and is often cited as the source for many complex magical symbols.

Systemic Generation (The Code): As mentioned above, some sigils are demonstrably created by coding the demon's name into a geometric system (like a Kamea or magic wheel). This suggests a sophisticated, repeatable magical language where the shape is derived from the name, not just a random drawing.

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