Disagree. They want you to take "aid". It's not their money, after all, and aid puts you in a dependent position they can abuse.
Have you ever seen a government housing project? Like gone in and met people living there, seen their lives? They aren't helping those people.
I know people who had regular lives (job, house, kids) who got housed after a breakup. Two years later, they're addicts with child services trying to take their kids.
It's like a prison; you can leave during the day (although, being broke, where are you going? And what happens when they start rolling out the 15 minute cities?) but you have to return to your cell each night, surrounded by violence, prostitution, and drug abuse.
The kids are all SOL, obviously. The smart people break off any and all contact with their neighbors; otherwise the kids form little gangs with no supervision and get into all sorts of trouble.
It's a pipeline, that they've created, to take functional people and turn them into serfs.
Why? What did you think it was for?
The world-dominationists want all peasants sick, weak, and dumb so that they have no choice but to rely on their governments.
This is a nice little cycle: take the vaxx "to end Covid", get sick so you can't work, go on government support, then get the vaxx again to stay on government support.
Part is this is depopulation, sure, but that really comes later as birthrates drop catastrophically.
Another aspect is putting people under the yoke of their leaders, and making them forget who is actually supposed to be in charge.
Right, you pick a source and say it's good, and all other sources are bad.
Not compelling.
Please, tell me more
Reddit went to shit because it refused to gatekeep forum sliders and they wormed their way into positions of power, then took over.
If you don't want this place to become reddit, we need to protect the forums from bad faith actors.
I never advocated for banning FE, I'm just pointing out the argument.
And yeah, if "anti-vaxxers" are posting "Vaccines cause autism", instead of asking if they cause autism or posting information suggesting the link, and they won't consider the alternative?
Ban 'em.
Who said you can't?
I supported keeping them, but FE is objectively incorrect.
But it isn't governments claiming this.
It's the math, and objective observation.
I put forward a proof yesterday, in another thread, that showed the sun cannot go below 10° from the horizon from the furthest point of observation, as per the FE model where the sun spins over the equator (and much higher for points closer to the equator). I have personally observed the sun dropping below where it should be able to go, and anyone else could as well. The math was something I learned in grade 10; not complicated.
To say "the government is hiding the truth about FE" is to say that the government (all governments) have falsified basic math (in which case we wouldn't be able to use it for anything else) and/or created a fake sky that they control (in which case, why not just make it look like it should, according to FE?).
I'll also point out that we know what a global government conspiracy to hide the science looks like: Covid.
They could barely keep that under wraps for three years, many scientists came forward, and the whole thing is falling apart.
We're to believe that the government has the capability to hide the shape of the earth for 500 years but they can't hide the origin of a virus in the most controlled country in the world?
It's not a conspiracy.
It actually delegitimizes real conspiracies, like Covid, because if the "government" could hide FE, then the entire Covid operation must have been intentionally leaked because we know they could have hidden it.
But women had no way to communicate with each other across the world prior to about 50 years ago, yet the conspiracy goes back far longer, supposedly.
Therefore it's not a conspiracy, it's emergent behaviour. That's very different.
Everyone doing something the same is not a conspiracy, that's just incorrect. A conspiracy has to have intent, by definition.
The reason I think this is worth exploring is because none of us have the ability, realistically, to go up and check for ourselves.
I don't know what it's called, but this is the most corrosive fallacy of FE and beyond.
Yes, we abso-fucking-lutely can prove (insofar as anything outside of pure math can be proven) the shape of the earth without going into space. Because we can see our relationship with other objects in space, we can show that every observation of them we make alignes with the sphere shape model using well-understood geometry.
All these FE "free thinkers" love to tell others to "do your research" but not one of them has bothered to actually learn the math that they would need to prove either model. Honestly, I haven't either, but I know enough to prove that FE is obviously impossible because it really is that easy (grade 10 math). Really, any 3D shape but a spheroid is obviously out of the question, which is why they picked a 2D shape instead.
We can't see atoms either, and we never will, but we know they exist amd have certain properties because we can observe the results of those properties. FE is basically alchemy, in this metaphor; it can explain some things, but atoms explain those things, and many more. Shortcomings in atomic theory don't a) prove that it's wrong, merely incomplete, b) justify using an obviously incorrect replacement or c) indicate a conspiracy.
i was willing to look at drag queen story time with an open mind and, imho, I just don't see drag queen story time as a viable model. however, the vitriol that's directed at drag queen story time and it's supporters makes me wonder...
How could anyone be offended by someone subverting the Truth?
If you don’t understand that FE is a stand in for honing critical thinking skills, then you don’t.
Im not a flat earth supporter
I guess I'm confused by your language then.
Are you saying you don't have critical thinking skills, since you don't support FE, or are you saying that FE is a replacement for critical thinking.
Either makes sense, really...
Definitely.
This, right here, is the epitome of FE forum sliding: a bunch of unproven statements of fact that people would have to waste tons of time disproving, accusations of "not doing research" and "following the herd", the persecution complex, everything. The only thing you missed was a link to a video that we would need to "educate ourselves" enough to have a coherent conversation (priming).
You sound like a Critical Race Theorist.
If you aren't a fed, you're a dupe, but you're clearly reading from a script, bud.
if you can be bothered to go to a Library and dig up old logs of it. But stuff like this require people to actually do research, when they can just have someone ban anyone doing any wrong thinking instead.
Yeah, like you actually went to a library instead of just watching some clickbait youtube video.
You're correct, we're not on the same page.
I don't see much problems with spamming, at least at current levels. The problem I see is that we are trying to have a forum where ideas (often radical ones) are being explored to determine hidden truth. That necessarily involves a certain amount of suspension of disbelief; of dropping one's guard.
FE proponents (perhaps exclusively) are not here for good faith discussion; they're taking advantage of the good faith to gaslight people into doubting the idea of objective evidence, their own senses, and possibly even the idea of Truth itself.
It doesn't matter that they aren't spamming more than they are; what they're doing is insidious and long term. If they can undermine our ability to evaluate facts by constantly tweaking their arguments to account for our last argument, then every discussion of any unprovable topic is reduced to a shouting match.
That's what they want: ideological infighting.
"If you don't believe what I say, or if you refute it, you're a shill/fed/bot".
It's already taking hold.
Maybe a better way to deal with it is a stickied thread for topics such as these. That way all the evidence can be archived and they can't just keep bringing up the same points to try to trick neophytes.
It's not a conspiracy, though.
For FE to be real, everyone would have to be in on it.
Not just the CIA, or the entire government, or all of the governments' allies, every level of every government, across the entire world, going back 500 years at least.
On top of that, multiple fields of science, engineering, and math, in their entirety would have to be knowingly propagating falsehoods for several hundred years without anything slipping.
Basic math like triggonometry and geometry is incompatible with FE, so mathematics itself would all have had to be fabricated because it's all derived from first principals.
This isn't a small cabal trying to trick the majority; it would have to be the majority of people on earth making up a false theory of everything (that's both internally self-consistant and explains all observable phenomenon except FE), just to troll you.
"I only believe things that other people think are stupid".
So you can't think critically, you're just terminally oppositional. FE in a nutshell.
I support this.
I have no problem debating FE, but that's not what these people are doing.
They're presenting bad faith arguments in order to demoralize and gaslight people with legitimate questions.
It's still a vague guideline so I would suggest a strike system, but that's only if mods want to spend that kind of time on this mess.
Excellent point.
The moon landing is something that actually could be a conspiracy. It would only take the production team and the cast, other than their handlers; even "mission control" could have been in the dark. It's entirely feasible and there was a clear motive for the Americans (CIA) to demonstrate such technological superiority.
FE is simply too big to be a conspiracy, in the exact same way as The Patriarchy.
WWII snipers had to account for curvature.
Always remember, if FE pushers were running things, we would definitely be banned.
The problem is that these studies cannot be trusted because vaccinated people are healthier as a group than unvaccinated people (and the gap has likely increased with each booster).
Pretty sure that's a typo...
FE isn't a conspiracy theory.
A conspiracy is a clandestine operation performed by a small group which is intentionally hidden from the larger population.
If FE is true, then not only is every government on earth complicit, governments going back 500 years are complicit. As well as those who developed and use the principals of light, orbital mechanics, navigation, astronomy and all the way down to basic triggonometry; all of which are in opposition to FE.
FE is a "conspiracy" in the same way as The Patriarchy is a conspiracy; everyone would have to be in on it to the point that you may as well call it a "troll".
Note how they suggest keeping cholesterol low?
What do eggs and meat have in significant amounts?
The CDC is full of shit anyway. Low fat/low cholesterol diets don't keep you healthy; humans have no problem processong fat. Nutrition isn't hard, your body knows what it needs. As long as you don't eat until you're physically uncomfortable (or train yourself to be comfortable overeating), get a variety of foods (as befits an omnivore) and, for thd love of God, STAY AWAY FROM SUGAR!
Not sure about the states, but Canadian health agencies have a "recommended" daily sugar allotement of 100g. 75g daily is enough to cause obesity and various heart issues and you don't need ANY refined sugar EVER.
Would not be surprised if the CDC had a similar recommendation.