What you aren't accounting for is the oman empire bringing twelve to the worlds of today.
You see, when Nero came, there was only one way we could find out the stack of things as yet to come when they have souped into the backend. Nero knew that this couldn't be forced unto everyone, but he had to educate them to make them see. This is how it fell.
Now, there was no telling how this would manifest itself into today, but we've become lacking in our foresite, and it seems you may have found difficulty.
Did you miss the question that I asked in the previous comment, or did you choose to ignore it? I asked because your answer helps to illustrate the point I'm making.
I’ll repeat it here:
if you are walking down the street and you see someone across the street walking with their family, do you have the same doubt that they may not be a human being, and in fact be a literal robotic being that was built in a factory, as you do with me here over text?
Correct, which you admitted both verbally - and more importantly - through your actions.
Then you are ignoring what I am telling you. I have explicitly stated several times that I am not offended by your comment, I am simply pointing out your lack of respect that your are showing.
Saying I verbally admitted this is also an example of a lie. You would be unable to pull a quote of me saying that I felt disrespected, because there isn't one, so please do well to stay honest.
No, there isn't.
Yes, there is. Hence the reason I asked the question you chose to avoid answering. Your lack of response to it does concern me a bit.
Please read my previous comment if you're able
I did read your previous comment. You said I chose to feel disrespected instead of feeling nothing. I am informing you that I did not feel disrespected, I simply realized your attempt to do so, as well as distract from the topic at hand.
You, again, choose to stick to these methods instead of engaging in honest conversation, and you seem to also forget what I've already told you.
But you are ignoring mine. There is no reason or benefit in switching mediums.
There is a clear and distinct benefit, which is that it is easier to determine if the person you are engaging with is a real human being or not. While a AI can produce text written in complete sentences, a bot cannot mimic the actions, voice, and image of a human nearly as well, and especially not in real-time
If you continue to doubt whether or not I am a human that you're speaking with, then video or audio chat is a superior medium, so that in our conversations then we don't have to focus on it at all.
Let me try something else with you: if you are walking down the street and you see someone across the street walking with their family, do you have the same doubt that they may not be a human being, and in fact be a literal robotic being that was built in a factory, as you do with me here over text?
(Please, respectfully, answer the question as is. I want to hopefully see you answer a question earnestly without interpreting the question in a metaphorical sense or change the words around, as you had done before in my Turing test question)
Yes necessarily.
Again, no. I'll give you an example that might make it more clear:
If my young nephew calls me a "doo doo brain," I can observe that he is making an attempt to insult/disrespect me. However, I am mature and level-headed enough to not be so offended by a childish insult. As a person who wants to see him grow though, I may correct him on his behavior and point out that it does not lead to productive conversation.
Basically, this is how I'm treating this interaction. I'm sensing your disrespect for the conversation and for me, and I'm simply calling it out. That doesn't mean I am offended by what you say, but I am taking note of the lack of respect you are showing.
If you cannot avoid bot like tendencies and engage in productive conversation here, then you can't do it anywhere else or in any other medium for the same reasons.
You've seem to still to misunderstand my point.
I'm telling you that it would be easier for you to determine whether or not I am a human being over video/audio, since you say you are unable to determine it here over text. That, by your own admission, makes this the inferior medium to determine whether or not I am human.
your guess as to wether or not i am a human...MAY be...correct, but is certainly not reality.
You're saying that something that is true is not reality?
(based largely on my claim that i am, and your gullible belief in those unvalidated claims)
Incorrect, not largely based off of your claims. There is significantly more evidence that shows that you are human.
You have done nothing but repeat yourself for damn near 20 comments
I would love to not have to repeat myself! However you continue to misunderstand my main points based on your responses, so I unfortunately have to try and re-explain them in hopes that you will finally understand. Or, in this case...
If you don't like being accused and/or compared to the actions of bots - my advice is to quite the internet 10-20 years ago.
Speaking of repeating one's self :)
I've already addressed this but I will address it again since you insist on repeating it. I hope you don't just repeat your earlier responses to it though:
It doesn't matter to me if captcha exists. I understand the merit of it. It is not the same as a human being repeatedly accusing me of potentially being an AI when I am attempting to have an honest conversation with them.
This, here, is the only instance I have come across this in all my years on the internet, just with you. I'm not going to quit the internet just because of your actions, sorry to say.
Hopefully, you understand now so that I don't have to just repeat myself again.
disrespected IS offended
Not necessarily, and not in this case. I can understand when I'm being disrespected, but I don't have to feel offended or take offense to it. I ignored it for some time in other conversations we had, but unfortunately it was no use, because you insisted on going about that method in lieu of directly addressing the points.
if you can't avoid bot like tendencies here - you can't do it anywhere else for the same reasons.
My point is it would be easier for you to determine, in the instance of video or audio chat, whether or not I am a bot because it is more difficult for AI/bots to pass the Turing test in that medium.
It is more the "100%" certainty that is so foolish
Of course it isn't, because the reality is that you are.
To suggest that reality is not reality, is a bit trite.
If you know that you are frustrating and are NOT a troll (which actively seek to frustrate), then simply stop.
My actions are not intended to frustrate, but to guide you to be a better conversational partner so that we can better engage on topics that we each found more interesting!
If you insist on questioning whether or not I'm human, I would have no choice but to address that point head on.
Get back on a meaningful topic and engage in productive conversation
I don't think productive conversation is possible if you continue to insist that my status as a human is under question. The whole reason I am focused on this topic is so that we can put that manner to bed.
Don't tell me. Show me, through your actions.
The very reason I have to tell you is because you've been misinterpreting the actions I have already shown you. I am simply, politely, correcting you.
If you don't want to understand it, or the reasoning behind it (which i've also shared, thoroughly) - then i can't (and wouldn't, if i could!) force you.
I understand your argument, I am refuting it with a counter, by stating that interaction with a bot is significantly easier to discern when the conversation is over audio, video, or better still, in person, something that is quite common knowledge. Obviosuly, I think the latter option will likely have logistical issues, which is why the next best option is video.
This is why I had asked if you believe a robot could pass the Turing test in a conversation with you if had over video (a question you still have not answered). I was making sure whether I'm correct in understanding you have the (extremely uncommon and surprising) belief that you think that it's easier to discern whether a person is human over text, rather video, or any other medium
Because blindly believing the voices you encounter - wether online or in real life is foolish.
I'm not blindly believing anything. The evidence is clear, that you are 100% a human being. To doubt that, at this stage, is foolish.
When i say you are foolish for believing...
If you need to choose your words more carefully, be more mindful to do so. Your actions are showing to be one that are attacking my character rather than the idea. It's clear that the idea is not worth attacking, because you an I both know that you are a human being. It's inreasonable for you to go after that idea.
However, you still do attack my character imilar to how you in your repeated suggestions that "my behavior is bot-like." It's attacking me, often in efforts to either distract or avoid the topic at hand, but ultimately to not address the idea that I present to you.
This is the entire reason why I have chosen to direct our attention to this tendency of yours, in hopes that you would realize it and learn to be more earnest in having an honest discussion of ideas.
Perhaps naturally, and out of frustration.
Understandable that you might be frustrated! I'm simply attempting to appease frustration, and lack of clarity, by suggesting we move to a medium where we can more intentional and honest dialogue.
It becomes much easier to answer questions directly, and to not drop off the topic when direct questions are asked by one person to the other.
People will recognize when there are injustices that are happening. When innocent lives are being taken as a result of some political power struggle, there is no sense rooting for the persons continuing the conflict.
I said you were acting offended,
And I'm telling you you are mistaken. I am simply calling our your disrespect.
you've been too busy expressing how "offended" (which necessarily includes "disrespected", by the by) you are ad nauseaum.
Again, I am not offended. Sensing disrespect is not the same as being offended. You should try and drop that from your understanding.
If you had read and understood my previous repeated responses to this incessant request, you would already understand why there isn't such a medium
Of course there is. On video/audio, it is significantly more diffficult for a bot to pass as human, as real-time interaction and response is something that AI is not capable of to pass a Turing test. If you believe otherwise, then that's an interesting stance you have, but I would be extremely surprised if over video you still were not able to tell if I were human or not.
Then you are foolish
I would say it's foolish at this point to even consider the idea that you might be a bot. Only a fool would suggest such a thing. For instance, see here:
And yet, you still failed it and appeared as bot-like to a human evaluating you.
You say here that you are a human, so then why on earth would it be considered foolish for me to say that I am certain you are human? You insult me just for the sake of insulting me? Seems pretty illogical.
I make a correct evaluation of the person you are, and you call me foolish for thinking so. It seems you are just trying to be confrontational.
Then stop acting like it!
Calling out your repeated disrespect is not the same as being offended. I can recognize when a person is trying to divert the topic as well as attempt to discredit me (both things can happen, they are not mutually exclusive) without being offended by it.
If anything, I'm just disappointed that you would rather resort to petty antics instead of addressing points directly. If you insist on carrying this assumption, which is showing disrespect by giving credence to such a silly idea, then it's best we move to a medium where we can be more confident
Really? In this scenario, on this site, in this conversation, you think there is a way to be 100% certain that you (or any online entity) is a bot?
Yes, I do. I know with 100% certainty that you are a human being that I have been interacting with.
it would only establish you weren't a bot in that particular interaction
And I would be thrilled to have that interaction with you. It would allow us to have the conversation in that particular interaction, and address our points more clearly!
You're making an excellent argument for why switching to video or audio would be the superior medium, so thank you! Now, it's a great opportunity for us to move to that medium.
I only care for productive conversation
Then let's have one in a medium where we can both be more confident that we are interacting with human beings.
The turing test can be applied to any entity purporting to be / presenting as human
The Turing test is a test of a machine's ability to exhibit intelligent behavior indistinguishable from a human.
Every human, by default, including me, passes the Turing test because their behavior is, inherently, human.
No, there are no accusations of lies that you provided which contain links/citations/quotes of mine which were not already addressed, refuted, and you did not contest the refutations of.
I have, a number of times, quoted you directly. I urge you to go back and reread the conversation. If you missed the quote, it is not my responsibility to feed you the information again, I'm sorry to say.
When you are accused of being a bot, either through captcha or any other bot detection method - there is no reason or use in being offended at the accusation.
Make no mistake, I'm not offended, I just sense your disrespect.
I find it disrespectful when I'm attempting to have a rational conversation with someone and they repeatedly accuse me of "likely" being a bot as a way of discrediting me/my points in a conversation I am trying to be respectful in.
As we agree, it is somewhere between extremely difficult and impossible to determine with absolute certainty (in this scenario, anyhow) that you (or I) are a bot
We do not agree on this.
You have exhibited many bot like tendencies which continues to increase the chance that you are one.
Then the most logical solution would be to move to a medium where we can be more confident in the nature of the other person. Otherwise, giving likelihood to such a silly scenario is just disrespectful to the topic at hand as well as the conversation partner.
I'm not offended by any means, but that doesn't mean I need to tolerate disrespect. If I see it, I will call it out. I only have so much patience.
Obviously a person can be tested with such a turing test
Again, no. A Turing test is one that is administered to machine to test the functionality of the machine. It is not one that is administered to human beings.
Unless you can quote/cite a particular "lie" that i have not already refuted and dismissed, you should stop lying about "my dishonesty"
Again, I have already done that. If you review earlier in the conversation, I made specific reference to your previous dishonesty
You are free to feel disrespected anytime you encounter a captcha or any other bot detection method online
I don't feel disrespected by that though. I feel disrespected when you, another person, is repeatedly declaring that I must be a bot when I'm attempting to have an honest discussion.
but they have an almost identical purpose.
They do not.
The turing test would apply to anything being tested with it, obviously.
Incorrect. The Turing test is specifically designed to see if machines are exhibiting intelligence on par with human behavior. It is not designed to be tested on humans, because however a human acts would be human behavior.
Can you provide (quote/cite/link) any actual examples of "my dishonesty"
I have already done that. Please refer back to earlier parts of our conversation and the answer will be made clear to you.
Better quit the internet.
No need! The issue has only occurred with you in all my years on the internet. Other people are much more respectful.
Captchas
That's not what this is. I'm referring to a conversation, not a check to see if I am a human logging into my own bank account.
Which means you will necessarily fail there too.
Unless I were human, then the Turing test wouldn't apply. That has yet to be determined, because we haven't tried that medium yet.
Your inability to infer implicit answers (another complex function bots cannot perform) is not an example of my dishonesty.
I agree! But your dishonesty is an example of your dishonesty.
Oh very much so. I think in real life you'd stumble constantly over your words in attempts to look smart, when in reality you say nothing.