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ApexVeritas 1 point ago +2 / -1

The Christchurch New Zealand mass shooting (where Brenton Tarrant GoPro recorded himself shooting a bunch of Muslims) also had hinky shit happen in the video. The ejected bullet casings were literally disappearing in mid air. I think he also shot out of his front windshield when he got back in his car, and later footage showed no damage to the windshield. If I remember correctly, there was also no blood seen in that video either.

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ApexVeritas 4 points ago +5 / -1

Yep, they did that after they kicked out all the Republican poll watchers for bullshit reasons.

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ApexVeritas 7 points ago +7 / -0

The video is unclear, but I wouldn't doubt it for a second.

The U.S. military invaded Afghanistan to stop the Taliban from stopping all poppy field farming, and then used our own military to defend the poppy fields. The opioid epidemic occurred shortly after. Then the U.S. government supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, to the dismay of the Egyptians, since they knew how bad they were. It took a military coupe to kick the Muslim Brotherhood out. Then Gaddafi in Libya tried to make his own gold backed currency and exit the gobalist banker control scheme, and his country was fucked and he was murdered. The CIA and Mossad funded, armed, and trained "rebels" is Libya, who overthrew the government. Libya went from one of the best places in Africa to one of the worst. The Benghazi incident occurred because the rebels got pissed ambassador Stevens was taking their weapons and shipping them to Syria via Turkey, years before the Syrian civil war got serious, priming it for a coupe. There's videos of honest journalists in Turkey who caught all of this, including the weapon transfers, and that Turkey was aiding ISIS with the help of Western governments.

Then the CIA and Mossad funded, armed, and trained the "rebels" in Syria, which led to the rise of ISIS, and some of the worst war crimes I've heard of in recent history. The minority religious populations of Syria, including Christians, which made up well pver 10% of Syria's population, were almost entirely wiped out. Western governments and media tried to claim Assad was using chemical weapons against his citizens, when in reality it was the rebels using them, or entirely faked by the media, to give us casus belli to oust Assad. The reason for this? An OPEC country wanted to run an oil and gas pipeline through Syria into Europe. This would compete with Russia's oil and gas export into Europe, and since Syria and Russia are allies, Assad refused. The Syrian "civil war" also allowed a Rothschild to slant drill from northern Israel into Syria's southern oil deposits, stealing their oil. Remember when the 100% anti-Trump news suddenly began praising Trump when he bombed that Syrian airfield?

These people are evil. They've killed millions, either directly or through the people they support and prop up.

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ApexVeritas 3 points ago +3 / -0

Preface and context:

I've always had problems sleeping. I used to only get 1-5 hours of sleep every night for years. I can usually fall asleep alright, but I always wake up in the middle of the night and can never get back to sleep. My brain just keeps running and thinking about various things, mostly philosophical stuff that's bothered me since I was a teen. It's helped me learn and figure out a lot (which I'm writing down into two books), but not so great for health.

Fortunately, I've found some things which have helped. The first one was supplementing vitamin D. It was a life changer. In addition to all the other health benefits, it's helped me fall asleep faster, stay asleep, and get better sleep. The next thing was having a relatively large dinner close to bed time. I know this isn't the best thing to do, but the caloric intake makes you sleepy, which I've noticed helps me fall and stay asleep. Next thing was supplementing magnesium, which helps relax muscles and the mind, and foster sleep. I then added higher dose melatonin (10mg) with dinner (which also causes me to have really vivid dreams). I also have dinner while watching a little bit of TV right before bed, which helps to shut my brain off. I fall asleep like a rock and almost never wake up in the middle of the night like I used to. Regular exercise throughout the week also helps a lot with sleep.

The melatonin was the last thing I've added to my regimen, and I've been taking it for about 2 months, and been getting the best sleep of my life. I'm not a morning person, but now I actually wake up before the full 8 hours and feel energetic and refreshed without any caffeine. It's been great.

Connecting to this post:

However, last night out of nowhere, I woke up at 4am (central) and couldn't go back to sleep for several hours. That hasn't happened to me in a long time.

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ApexVeritas 3 points ago +3 / -0

I've heard this before but not researched it thoroughly. It's been regularly stated in conspiracy forums that the sugar industry has heavily lobbied the FDA and other "health" organizations, to support the narrative that things like heart disease and obesity are due to fat and salt consumption, rather than excess sugar consumption, which is what's actually causing it. If this is true, then in reality this study might be one of those rare cases where "science" accidentally reports the truth.

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ApexVeritas 3 points ago +3 / -0

Not necessarily. The main tactic of shills and globalists is to lie, to change the narrative, to make people believe things that aren't true. Changing timelines and misrepresenting facts is absolutely in line with an experienced shill.

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ApexVeritas 2 points ago +2 / -0

Pretty damn similar to the "totally organic" users of R/conspiracy that popped up after the 2016 election, that shit on every single conspiracy theory while posting in a conspiracy forum.

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ApexVeritas 3 points ago +3 / -0

What conspiracies do you believe are true?

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ApexVeritas 4 points ago +4 / -0

A niche subject, hobby, or hangout is more focused. The more that it goes mainstream, the more diluted it becomes. Where once the group could discuss and explore their niche at length, and in deep compexity, it now devolves toward the lowest common denominator. A niche can gain wider appeal, but almost always at the cost of its focus, and abandoning the people that gave rise to the niche group in the first place. This can happen in real life or online. Dilution online is easier, quicker, and worse. If this happens to a niche on social media, it's why the lowest effort posts with the most shallow ideas, that can be quickly read, rise to the top. The posts which used to be the staple of conversation, the more lengthy and complex ones, get drowned out. This has been happening with all social media sites and forums. The greater number of people, the more diluted, braindead, and worthless it becomes to the people actually interested in the subject. It's why social media can be populated with intelligent people, but the highest upvoted posts are always dumber on average. Time is always a factor. Its easier to read short and shallow than long and complex. Social media caters to, and conditions people with short and shallow.

On top of this, Reddit has been censoring right leaning forums and users for a while now. R/conspiracy is one of the few places left they can voice their opinions, so it's turned into a catchall dumping ground for Reddit refugees that refuse to leave. However, r/conspiracy has also been shilled by leftists for a while now. It started slowly in 2016, and has gotten progressively worse since then. The last factor is that there are verboten subjects that even r/conspiracy can't mention without getting banned, and at least a few of the mods are probably in on it.

Combine all of these factors together and you get the current r/conspiracy forum. It's populated with right leaning people posting facebook tier memes and twitter screenshots (or by leftist shills forum sliding), catering to the lowest common denominator, and the comments are overrun with the lefty shills that actively argue against conspiracies and defend the mainstream narratives.

I've noticed this same trend occurring at The_Donald (patriots.win) since the 2020 election. Facebook tier memes and twitter screenshots are the norm now. Considering that forum used to be one of the best collections of relevant news, discussion, organization, and talk of verboten topics on the internet, it's sad how far its fallen. The irony is that the forum used to be bigger. It's dropped in quality while also losing users. I'm pretty sure it's because the staple userbase that made it great, were so pissed at the 2020 election that they wanted to do something about it, and the mods prevented them from talking about the solutions. So, the best people were either banned or pushed out, leaving mostly the normie tier right wingers that are woefully inadequate to discussing or solving current political issues.

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ApexVeritas 1 point ago +1 / -0

I agree, but nuclear is good too. The problem is how misinformed people are about it, and that we don't recycle our spenf fuel rods. Nuclear is being regulated out of existence. There's nothing wrong with it. It's all political.

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ApexVeritas 1 point ago +1 / -0

Agreed. Nuclear is the way to go until we develope fusion. However, it's being regulated out of existence because of how good it is. No new plants are allowed to be built, and existing ones are being shut down. Most people are woefully misinformed about nuclear because the media is misleading them. It's not dangerous and there are a shitload of safeguards in place with modern reactors.

The biggest problem with nuclear power, the waste, could easily be solved too. Most countries don't recycle and reuse their spent fuel rods. If they did, they could use up nearly 98% of the total mass of the nuclear fuel, with the rest being converted to energy. Instead we stupidly use them once, and sit them in cooling tanks with our thumbs up our asses. That's how the Fukushima plant in Japan leaked radiation. It wasn't from the reactor, it was from the spent rods just sitting in the cooling tanks. I think only France recycles their fuel rods, and they get the majority of their electricity from nuclear power.

Hell, we even spent billions of dollars developing the Yucca Mountain complex, a repository for spent fuel under a mountain and in a salt deposit. It was completely finished and perfectly safe, but Obama nixed it under his term as president. It certainly adds to the evidence that the cabal are building underground bases to survive some kind of looming catastrophe, especially with all of the shortages lately, like they're stockpiling everything for themselves.

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ApexVeritas 1 point ago +1 / -0

My dad used to work at Union Pacific as a senior mechanic. He repaired and maintained the engines. He had a lot of stories about corrupt and incompetant assholes failing upwards into management, due to how corrupt the union was, so I don't doubt the same happens with the senior staff.

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ApexVeritas 2 points ago +2 / -0

Probably an estimated guess with how much we're hearing from globalists about the great reset, planned shortages, inflation, and so on. It all appears to be planned, and it's definitely headed in that direction. Most of my family is purchasing more food storage on top of what we already have. It definitely feels like things are going to keep getting worse. Being prepared is always a really good idea, and food is a necessity you can't live without, so...

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ApexVeritas 10 points ago +10 / -0

I haven't been able to find much on the CEO of Union Pacific Corporation, Lance M. Fritz. From the stories on him that I saw, he changes his political opinions a lot and appears he could be an easily controlled patsy. More interestingly is the largest shareholders of Union Pacific, who are the Vanguard Group and BlackRock. Those bastards are everywhere.

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ApexVeritas 2 points ago +2 / -0

You're right. White people should've done to their slaves what all the other races did to their slaves: castrated the males to prevent them from breeding (which often resulted in them bleeding to death), raped the women non stop, killing all the children, worked them to death, and otherwise kill them off in one generation so we'd need to import more slaves. That would've been much more humane. Also, if all white people are guilty of being slave owners, then why did only 1-3% of them own slaves during the height of slavery, with most slaves being owned by very few wealthy land owners, many of which were Jews? Other countries had far more slaves than the U.S. ever did, but they no longer have their slave populations around, why could that be? Also, what happened to the millions of white slaves abducted by Muslims? They all vanished, but I'm sure they were treated with respect and dignity, and certainly weren't killed off en masse.

Hmmm, you've never heard about any of this? Why could that be? Could it be that government education and Jew owned media would lie about it, manipulating you with lies and half truths to program you to think the way they want? No, that can't be it. The media would never lie, and government education is top notch.

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ApexVeritas 2 points ago +2 / -0

The media that pushes the narratives you're complaining about, attacking intelligence, is owned and run primarily by Jewish people. Jewish people are also inclined to hire other Jewish people, even if they don't deserve the job. Just look at Hollywood, one of the largest Jewish run industries/cities on the planet, outside of media and porn, and which was founded by Jews (even Wikipedia admits this). On average, it seems that Jews are antithetical to merit, in both philosophical belief and practice.

Merit is a core foundational philosophical requirement for civilization to exist and be successful and stable. White people are highly likely to believe in and practice merit. Underlying merit, or companion to it, is fairness. White people, from everything I've experienced and read, are the most likely to believe and practice fairness. It's one of the main reasons white people are able to build such higher functioning societies, and why we're generally fine with admitting non-whites into our countries so long as they follow the rules. Another thing I've noticed is that White people also have higher levels of empathy, meaning we can build stronger communal bonds, which enables our communities to grow larger and more successful. This, in the late stages, becomes a detriment, because we can become too successful, putting up too many barriers between ourselves and nature, resting on our laurels and becoming too comfortable, not maintaining the traditions and lessons we learned while we lived harsher lives closer to nature, which enabled our success in the first place, resulting in a degradation of society, which also enables parasitical and evil people to use and manipulate us. As we're more inclined to merit and fairness, and the parasites aren't, they are free to break the rules, and corrupt and takeover our institutions, while we're still trying to play by the rules. This is exactly what's happening in the Western world right now.

You lambaste white people in right leaning spheres for pushing machismo, but don't understand why. Masculinity is a necessary trait for strong men, whom are necessary for strong society. Our society is crumbling in part because our men are being intentionally weakened, by our loss of traditions, by our laws, by our diet, by intentional overuse of plastics (that act like estrogen in the body), and by porn (which is pushed primarily by Jews). The machismo you lambaste is an outward show of dominance and power, an expression of masculinity and testosterone itself, similar to how males of other species signal their power to those around them. However, you've made the logically fallacious argument that because we do this, that therefore we don't prize intelligence and wisdom. It's simply not true. You could find cherry picked examples to prove your point, but they're not the average. You're seeing what you want to, and drawing conclusions based on half truths to fit your own preconceived narrative.

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ApexVeritas 1 point ago +1 / -0

That doesn't match the independent lab tests on Berkey filters. Do you have other tests that prove otherwise? If you have sources to prove me wrong, I'd be happy to read them.

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ApexVeritas 2 points ago +2 / -0

No, they're not.

Zero water filters only remove 23 contaminants, mostly only chlorine, lead, and other dissolved solids (which could even include natural dissolved salts in water), and their filters are only good for 3-5 months. Berkey filters remove 203 contaminants, and each pair of black filters work for 6000 gallons (several years worth for an average family), and in a SHTF scenario they can filter questionable water from sources like ponds, lakes, streams, and rivers.

Zero water filters are a gimmick filter, barely above Brita filters, since they pride themselves on removing dissolved solids, which is laughable in comparison to how well Berkey filters work, which are also independently lab tested, removing 99.999% or more of each contaminant, including bacteria, cysts, parasites, viruses, plastics, pesticides, VOCs, pharmaceutical drugs, chlorine, chloramines, lead, arsenic, etc.

There's a reason why most serious preppers have bought a Berkey. They're that good.

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ApexVeritas 5 points ago +5 / -0

Sawyer minis and Life straws are for bug out bags. If you're staying put (which most people should under most situations) you need a better and bigger water filter. Get something like a Berkey filter. They're expensive, but last for years, remove almost everything, and are fantastic in SHTF scenarios.

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ApexVeritas 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thanks for the rundown. I've never heard of this.

Also, makes you wonder if anything we've been taught about history can be trusted.

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ApexVeritas 2 points ago +2 / -0

If a three letter agency wants to target us, they need only increase the noise to such an extent that the signal is lost (i.e. fill the site with so much low value content/bait without substance, it becomes a chore to find anything worthwhile).

There are two ideas in your statement here.

The first is the idea: we must self censor or government will shut us down. Tyranny doesn't shrink, it grows when the people capitulate, compromise, and acquiesce to it. It doesn't matter how much we self censor, it will never be enough. Lies beget more lies. That's why the establishment and the left are in a self defeating purity spiral, why their narrative is accelerating well past insanity. If you compromise truth with a lie, if you censor truth in the name of a lie, if you capitulate and acquiesce to tyranny, you only defeat yourself. It is wrong in every situation.

The second is the idea: all speech devolves into meaningless speech. This is outright false. There are other considerations involved. The right prioritizes, or at least it should, traditional values and virtues. One of the most foundational, necessary, requirements for civilization to exist is merit. Merit means that bad things are overcome by good things, that inefficient things are overcome by efficient things, that good things are overcome by better things. If one doesn't believe in merit, they don't belong on the right. The globalists are antithetical to merit, as a foundational philosophy and as a means to control us. It's why they push affirmative action. Weak and stupid people are put into positions they don't deserve, pushing good people out of those positions, and degrading the infiltrated institution.

I imagine you wouldn't disagree with this, but it's relevant to the discussion, and you didn't include this consideration into your argument. Specifically, here, we have upvotes and downvotes to praise the good, worthy, efficient, virtuous, and good comments and ideas, and downvotes to castigate things that are the opposite. Furthermore, the adage "the left can't meme" holds true. It's ridiculously easy to spot feds, leftists, and their shills. I highly doubt they could effectively infiltrate a genuine forum if people held to merit, and all other virtues taught by logic. The disingenuous more effectively infiltrate and subvert by subtlety. However, beyond teaching everyone what the left's foundational philosophies are, what their effects are, how they act, and how to spot their signs, there will almost always be such infiltrators. There will also always be useful idiots using the same tactics and arguments as the left. Even then, the best course of action is to hold to merit, because then their bad ideas, posts, and comments will be properly downvoted.

It's easy to suck all of the mods' time into deleting child porn, that there's no time to manage the content. If your first impression of a site is that it's a lot of meaningless content, or looks like an echo chamber of one type of ideology (eg: every other post is about "niggers") that you don't hold, you're not likely to visit again.

All forums are echo chambers. Why do people congregate in the first place? It's to pursue shared goals. That means all communities, by their very nature, necessitates homogeneity. In some way or another, all communities of people are more alike to each other compared to the people outside that community. While the people may be different beyond their shared goals, they only work together because of their similarity. Websites, hobbies, jobs, countries, peoples, forums, they all follow this rule. A forum may exist to talk about Star Trek, and it can allow all discourse about Star Trek, making it an echo chamber about Star Trek. Or, a forum may exist only to praise Star Trek, and only allow discourse which praises Star Trek, making it an echo chamber about praising Star Trek. The same goes for any topic and forum.

Forums with large scopes can be host to a wide range of related topics (i.e. politics, science, conspiracy theories, etc.), and they can also change over time. For instance, TheDonald.win changed to Patriots.win, because the scope changed. Lots of discussion, most of it now, doesn't even involve Donald Trump. Even though we mostly agree politically, there is wide range of opinions on certain topics, actions we should or shouldn't take, what the causes are, what's related, and so on.

A site is vulnerable when it is small, because it doesn't take much manpower to derail it. See Voat. Once you're past a certain size, it becomes increasingly expensive to keep the signal-to-noise ratio low. Perhaps Gab was there at the right time and the right place to get enough real users to avoid becoming Voat. Who can say Voat wasn't trying to get the truth out there as much as Gab? IIRC, Gab ran for years without being known for conspiracy theories, while Voat was doing pizzagate etc. from the beginning (like us). Thus Voat attracted more attention from 3 letter agencies, like we will.

I agree that a small force is more easily attacked and conquered than a larger force, but that's not the only consideration here, especially since this isn't war, it's a forum. There are important differences. More important than size, is the strength, wisdom, and virtues of the leaders of this site, and its users. If both the leaders and the users are strong, the forum will grow, that is of course if there are people who would belong on that forum who haven't found it yet. That's why Voat failed. The leaders were weak, and they were the ones that shut it down. They said "one of our investors backed out and we can't afford to run it anymore", but most of the user base said "run a funding campaign, we'll donate", to which the Voat leaders refused. That's why Voat failed. That's also why Gab is growing, even with all of the discussion of "niggers", "jews", and conspiracies, even with how much backlash they've gotten from the mainstream, and from banks and money lenders, and from infrastructure providers. The Gab leaders are strong, and thus were willing to tackle the obstacles in their path, and they've succeeded. Have you been there? Lots of people talk about conspiracy theories. Most modern conspiracy theories are related to politics, and vastly shape understanding of the modern world. Gab is growing because its leaders are strong. Andrew Torba and all the other Gab devs haven't capitulated to the globalists, or compromised, or acquiesced. They fought. That's why people flock to them. We're in such dire straights because of weakness. People are seeking out strength, and will support anyone that shows strength in adversity, especially for those that show strength against the people ruling over us.

Gab is not a threat as much as we could be, because we're hyper-focused on dismantling the establishment's foundations (very high signal-to-noise ratio for getting the red pilled).

I disagree strongly. This site has already acquiesced, not allowing its users to discuss plans to overthrow the government. It may not be "legal", but it's right. We live in the United States, a country founded by righteous men that talked about, organized, and violently fought against tyrannical government. For us to say we're not "legally allowed" to discuss such things is a compromise with lies, evil, and tyranny, a betrayal to the very country we live in and how it was founded. THAT'S why participation in this forum has dropped so drastically after January 6th. People want to act, but they're not allowed to talk about it here, or organize here. You don't defeat tyranny with peace. That's why shills are so quick to yell "glowie" any time someone wants to fight back or organize. It's a means of control to keep us peaceful and apathetic, thinking we can win this war with memes online, and not actually fighting. Sharing information is the first step, action is the necessary next step.

Furthermore, Gab is more successful than us because it allows people to more openly discuss all topics, including the most verboten topics: differences between the sexes, racial disparities, and Jewish involvement in globalism. Regardless of how you feel about the topics, the very allowance of the debates enables, over time, to expose more people to truth, whatever side is proven right or wrong. That's why the globalists must censor, curate, and control so much, to control what people see and don't see, to make us think, speak, and act how they want us to. That is why free speech is so vital: to pursue truth.

I never advocated for lying. Come on. And not all censorship is bad. Censorship that improves the signal-to-noise ratio improves efficiency of information dissemination. The only issue is having well defined rules for removal. A post that does race baiting with no useful information is just noise without substance. A community that values it's right to exist on par with a post with lots of useful information, for the sake of free speech, is a community that values noise on par with the signal for the sake of free speech.

I never said you advocated for lying. It's relevant to the larger topic at hand, which is why I included it. The very core tenet/philosophy of globalism, of evil itself, is lies. That's why globalism is evil, and why evil is what it is. It's why good people prioritize truth above all else. This distinction, more than any other, helps differentiate good versus evil. Furthermore, truth (logic) will tell us what is virtuous, right, moral, ethical, efficient, and good, and what is not. Logic dictates that some censorship is good. For example: porn. Also, as I said above, all forums must censor certain topics that are beyond the mutual shared goal of the people on that forum. A Star Trek forum should censor discussion of football, if it's not relevant to the discussion at hand, or if it's being done intentionally to sow discord in the forum. Even if censorship wasn't used, or if it didn't catch everything, as I said above, the simple use of upvotes and downvotes can dissuade discussion that's irrelevant, in bad faith, or with ill intent. Again: merit.

There are many people, even here, that are making bad faith arguments, especially over censorship of certain topics. When a certain topic is brought up which they don't like, instead of debating in good faith to "defeat" their opponent's argument, they yell at them, call them names, and advocate for censorship. Such actions don't disprove anything a person says, it doesn't teach any bystanders the nuance of the different sides, and it doesn't further anyone's understanding of truth. That's why the left is so apt to use logically fallacious arguments and censorship. It's the only way for their ideas to remain, unchallenged.

The goal of debate, of speech itself, is the pursuit of truth, even above our own preconceived ideas. If you prioritize truth above all else, even if you're proven wrong in a debate, you still win. It's better to be proven wrong and realign with truth than to forever hold onto bad ideas or lies. However, for this to occur debate must be constructive, meaning it must be civil, honest, and logical. Anything outside of these bounds solves nothing, and usually makes the situation worse. If people enter into a discussion or debate without truth as their highest priority, it means they're denying their own humanity. With a few important exceptions (not relevant for this discussion), we're imperfect, mortal, finite, and have free will. We don't know everything. We can't know everything. Some or much of what we know is wrong, partially or totally. Even if everything we knew was right, it can be taken out of context because we don't know all the other relevant information, making us reach the wrong conclusions. That's why half truths are so dangerous. Without someone telling us, or experience to teach us, or questions to seek it, or debate to find it, we'll keep believing things that are wrong, we'll keep believing the lies and propaganda we've been taught, and we won't change and align closer to truth. To intentionally participate in destructive debate is to deny the purpose of it, and in so doing is to deny our own humanity. It's a proclamation that "I am God, I am not wrong".

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ApexVeritas 3 points ago +3 / -0

We have a right to freely express ourselves about political topics without an opposition political organization adding off-topic content to make us look like violent homophobes, xenophobes, racists, misogynists, bigots, transphobes and antisemites,

Each forum is free to do as it pleases. However, the right prizes itself on prioritizing uncomfortable truths (red pilled) over easy lies (blue pilled), of being able to break from the conditioning we've been brainwashed into since childhood from all manner of corrupted institutions and outlets.

The left calls us "racist" because we quote crime stats and differences in IQ and culture between the races. They left calls us "white supremacists" because we want our own countries, and point to the hypocrisy that open borders, mass immigration, diversity, and multiculturalism is only being pushed on white countries and people. They call us "conspiracy theorists" when we bring up the globalist's plans to replace and exterminate white people in their own countries, and have directly said as much for over 100 years (the Kalergi plan). We're called "antisemites" for showing the inordinate Jewish involvement in the upper echelons of the globalist movement and all of its arms. We're called "homophobes" for pointing to the failings and degeneracy of the LGBTQ movement, which is also being pushed by the globalists. We're called "mysoginists" because we point to the biological, physical, and mental differences between the sexes.

Banning and censoring all of these topics, at the fear of being labeled a name by our enemies, is the height of stupidity. It's an abandonment of constructive debate and discussion, and the central pursuit of both: truth. Different forums are free to discuss different topics, but this site is largely devoted to such topics, and this specific forum is devoted to conspiracies, which coincidentally everything I listed above is about. If you don't know about these topics, then I sincerely question either your experience or your authenticity.

Free speech does not boil down to "everywhere is a graffiti wall." Moderated discussions are free of censorship even if they spam, trolling, child porn, pranks and other disruptions. The same is also true for groups of people attempting to undermine the discussion itself, particularly for political gain or to put the participants in legal jeopardy.

I never said unlimited free speech was correct, or that it shouldn't be organized, or that it shouldn't be constructive (honest, civil, and logical), and I never suggested all censorship is wrong. If you took that from my comment, that's on you. I merely asked pertinent questions to poke holes in the previous commenter's argument.

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ApexVeritas 2 points ago +3 / -1

Ageed. I think its the main reason why Gab exists and has so many people that it does. The establishment has had to clamp down more and more to keep people in line, they're censoring and banning more and more people off the mainstream controlled platforms, forcing more them into these once small corners of the internet that actually prioritize free speech, the only places that talk about conspiracy theories and unsavory topics that most normie right wingers have never heard of, exposing more people to this information. Then, when an actual actual free speech large social media platform comes along like Gab, it's populated by all those people who were exposed to the censored content, and exposing even more people to it, the exact opposite intent of the establishment.

Lies always destroy themselves. Truth is immutable.

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ApexVeritas 3 points ago +4 / -1

You sound like the meme:

"Fellow free speech people, if we don't embrace censorship we will not survive."

If free speech and "extremist content" drive people away, why is Gab doing so well? We're in this shit position today because we abandoned hard truth for easy lies. The evil people are in charge and rule by propaganda and lies. They're evil precisely because they've abandoned truth. You don't get out of such a position by more censorship and lies. You get out by searching for, understanding, defending, preaching, and aligning with truth.

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