I apologize if you thought I was patronizing you. It's just that you kept saying I was not answering your question and I was unable to. Not only had I provided an answer, but the Wikipedia article you linked to me about outer space contained an identical statement.
I don't mean to laugh but this is common behavior I see from people with alternative views on the shape of the earth and character of space. If you disagree with mainstream science then fine, but the mainstream answer just is what it is.
I am at work but I'll keep this link and check it out when I have some time.
As the topic is about alternative views on the shape of the earth, would you still hold this idea, knowing that Buzz Aldrin falsified images of the Earth for NASA to use and misinform the public?
Here's an interviewer, who showed the released NASA video to Buzz Aldrin, which showed him remove a panel, that was presenting the earth way smaller than it actually is from the aircraft in lower earth orbit:
You don't have to watch a full documentary to reply on this, it's mostly shorts and clipped videos, so the most important information is presented.
I would like your opinion on this, because the actions of Buzz Aldrin in the NASA video are clearly to lie to the public, but he's own reaction is of someone caught in a lie.
I like to learn better argumentation on this topic, and since you believe the mainstream story of space, moon, etc., I think you will find it interesting when a space hero, such as Buzz Aldrin is caught in a lie and acts like this when caught in a lie.
Thanks for these. I will be away for a few days, but I'll come back to this at some point. I would like to go through Something Happened on the Way to the Moon, and I am also interested in this Italian guy too who I never heard of until now.
To let you know, while I am not a moon hoaxer, I do rate that one as "conceivable." By this I mean that within the parameters of "normal earth / space / physics / space tech (i.e. satellites, etc.)," if only the moon landings were faked, then this does not require an impossibly large amount to be accommodated. In reality, it is all but impossible to ever prove that the moon landing happened in 1969, as it was now almost 50 years ago and any loose end could have been tied up long ago.
I would rank moon hoax as the most believable, followed by all space programs being a hoax (it is possible, after all, that they faked the manned trip to the moon but not all the other missions), followed by non conventional cosmologies. The non conventional cosmologies, especially flat earth, require an enormous amount to be accommodated, not the least of which is why our GPS seems to work with accuracy to within a few feet everywhere we travel. How this could be done while lying about the map and with no one ever figuring out the real map is definitely beyond me.
So I am just saying that I will argue much harder against a flat earth or some other system with a firmament dome than I will against Apollo being faked, although I am not convinced of the hoax theories.
For what its worth, I watched your linked queued up to the shot of earth out the window on Apollo 11. I don't understand how this shows that they are in LEO, and I never have understood these claims about shots out the windows. This is what the earth supposedly looks like from LEO, and to gauge the field of view in that photo, the Soyuz MS-22 you see docked is about 9 feet in diameter and almost 24 feet in height. It looks to me like the width of the solar panels is about the same as the height of the pod. At any rate that photo does not look to be very zoomed in, and we see no more than 30 degrees or so of earth curve.
So it is not clear to me that earth is the wrong size in the window. On the moon, earth should be 4 times the linear dimension that the full moon is on earth, so a bit over half way to the moon earth should be maybe 7x full moon size. While the documentary is moving fast and I did not stop and really analyze the image, what I saw in the window when the light goes on seems closer to that than to what we see out of ISS. We can see the window frame and the astronaut, which kind of sets a scale for the shot.
I would prefer to just watch the entire video of the astronauts rather than a few clips with that dramatic music droning on as that woman talks.
Well, the first video gives very specific cases that would be interesting for you to question or even debunk, if you can. Not mocking you, or something like that, just observing that you like challenges, so that video "American Moon" should interest you. I hope.
Yes, I also don't like how the woman is presenting things, but in a short span of time, that's what I could gather for this example.
It is clear that you can hear Neil Armstrong stating falsely that they are 130,000 miles away from Earth, while it is clear here - https://youtu.be/xciCJfbTvE4?t=2385 that they are not at this distance.
Comments about the reaction of Buzz Aldrin or the fact that he is a 33rd degree mason? It's ok, if you have no comments, but it's something interesting.
Well, yes. The moon landing hoax is away from flat earth, but it's a start. However, I was thinking over my previous argument and how it failed against your sound arguments, so I took a new approach - to tackle the hoaxes one by one, just as I came to the realization of flat earth... And I doubted it, like you, for many years... Still, in order for this to work, I would be happy to present you with more documentaries and proofs that the moon landing is a hoax, but after you've watched American Moon, and we can go from there. If you want to, of course.
All the best on your trip! If we don't exchange anything afterwards, I would like to say that I am happy from our exchange so far. You have presented sound arguments and reviewed new information with an open mind, which is commendable. I appreciate your point of view and if it happens that we continue our conversation, I'd appreciate that as well. Thank you!
I apologize if you thought I was patronizing you. It's just that you kept saying I was not answering your question and I was unable to. Not only had I provided an answer, but the Wikipedia article you linked to me about outer space contained an identical statement.
I don't mean to laugh but this is common behavior I see from people with alternative views on the shape of the earth and character of space. If you disagree with mainstream science then fine, but the mainstream answer just is what it is.
I am at work but I'll keep this link and check it out when I have some time.
As the topic is about alternative views on the shape of the earth, would you still hold this idea, knowing that Buzz Aldrin falsified images of the Earth for NASA to use and misinform the public?
Short version: https://odysee.com/@gremoptur:c/ex-astronauta-U.S.A.-Buzz-Edwin-Eugene-Aldrin-scoperto---non-sono-mai-stati-sulla-Luna:b
Full interview: https://www.bitchute.com/video/g24Ek1vdbkoG
Short + commentary from the interviewer + threat by Buzz Aldrin that if this video is shown publicly, he will sue him: https://www.bitchute.com/video/TOU7oi1xEfpr
The video that was shown to Buzz Aldrin - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xciCJfbTvE4&t=2247s (saved at the proper time)
Buzz Aldrin is a 33rd degree freemason - https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gnosticwarrior.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F01%2FBuzz-Aldrin-300x239.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=2df825f201646b3dad500862b5f6c1182d827e8561f2858f00d2e848a0012f02
You don't have to watch a full documentary to reply on this, it's mostly shorts and clipped videos, so the most important information is presented.
I would like your opinion on this, because the actions of Buzz Aldrin in the NASA video are clearly to lie to the public, but he's own reaction is of someone caught in a lie.
I like to learn better argumentation on this topic, and since you believe the mainstream story of space, moon, etc., I think you will find it interesting when a space hero, such as Buzz Aldrin is caught in a lie and acts like this when caught in a lie.
Thanks for these. I will be away for a few days, but I'll come back to this at some point. I would like to go through Something Happened on the Way to the Moon, and I am also interested in this Italian guy too who I never heard of until now.
To let you know, while I am not a moon hoaxer, I do rate that one as "conceivable." By this I mean that within the parameters of "normal earth / space / physics / space tech (i.e. satellites, etc.)," if only the moon landings were faked, then this does not require an impossibly large amount to be accommodated. In reality, it is all but impossible to ever prove that the moon landing happened in 1969, as it was now almost 50 years ago and any loose end could have been tied up long ago.
I would rank moon hoax as the most believable, followed by all space programs being a hoax (it is possible, after all, that they faked the manned trip to the moon but not all the other missions), followed by non conventional cosmologies. The non conventional cosmologies, especially flat earth, require an enormous amount to be accommodated, not the least of which is why our GPS seems to work with accuracy to within a few feet everywhere we travel. How this could be done while lying about the map and with no one ever figuring out the real map is definitely beyond me.
So I am just saying that I will argue much harder against a flat earth or some other system with a firmament dome than I will against Apollo being faked, although I am not convinced of the hoax theories.
For what its worth, I watched your linked queued up to the shot of earth out the window on Apollo 11. I don't understand how this shows that they are in LEO, and I never have understood these claims about shots out the windows. This is what the earth supposedly looks like from LEO, and to gauge the field of view in that photo, the Soyuz MS-22 you see docked is about 9 feet in diameter and almost 24 feet in height. It looks to me like the width of the solar panels is about the same as the height of the pod. At any rate that photo does not look to be very zoomed in, and we see no more than 30 degrees or so of earth curve.
So it is not clear to me that earth is the wrong size in the window. On the moon, earth should be 4 times the linear dimension that the full moon is on earth, so a bit over half way to the moon earth should be maybe 7x full moon size. While the documentary is moving fast and I did not stop and really analyze the image, what I saw in the window when the light goes on seems closer to that than to what we see out of ISS. We can see the window frame and the astronaut, which kind of sets a scale for the shot.
I would prefer to just watch the entire video of the astronauts rather than a few clips with that dramatic music droning on as that woman talks.
Well, the first video gives very specific cases that would be interesting for you to question or even debunk, if you can. Not mocking you, or something like that, just observing that you like challenges, so that video "American Moon" should interest you. I hope.
Yes, I also don't like how the woman is presenting things, but in a short span of time, that's what I could gather for this example.
It is clear that you can hear Neil Armstrong stating falsely that they are 130,000 miles away from Earth, while it is clear here - https://youtu.be/xciCJfbTvE4?t=2385 that they are not at this distance.
Comments about the reaction of Buzz Aldrin or the fact that he is a 33rd degree mason? It's ok, if you have no comments, but it's something interesting.
Well, yes. The moon landing hoax is away from flat earth, but it's a start. However, I was thinking over my previous argument and how it failed against your sound arguments, so I took a new approach - to tackle the hoaxes one by one, just as I came to the realization of flat earth... And I doubted it, like you, for many years... Still, in order for this to work, I would be happy to present you with more documentaries and proofs that the moon landing is a hoax, but after you've watched American Moon, and we can go from there. If you want to, of course.
All the best on your trip! If we don't exchange anything afterwards, I would like to say that I am happy from our exchange so far. You have presented sound arguments and reviewed new information with an open mind, which is commendable. I appreciate your point of view and if it happens that we continue our conversation, I'd appreciate that as well. Thank you!