Crowley made claim that cards of the tarot had been 'switched' in the past in order to protect it 'from the profane'. His reassembly of the cards gave him claim as poohbah to Theosophists, as it seemed to clear up issues that the switched cards presented.
This was in reference to the switch of the Tzaddi and The Star cards, numbers 16 and 17, where 17 represents Divine Inspiration.
He re-named other cards to 'more accurately represent' the cards as named according to his research and understanding.
The word occult means 'hidden knowledge'. Be as wise as the serpent, yet 'blameless' (a better word than 'innocent') as a lamb.
Yes but he was a clown and a fool, play stupid games win stupid prizes. Lust is not and never will be a virtue, and it has nothing to do with power. Lust is a sin. Dude only poisons the well. He twisted the free will to something as "do whatever you want" and this is the start of a wicked logic going against God commandments to be pure and good. Thanks for your contribution. When you start calling evil good, things start to go down. That dude is the kind that puts womans above mans, another fallacy. He literally got insane.
In general, I agree with your statement. Crowley was a cad and crazy as a fox.
I'd add that Lust certainly isn't a virtue. But it certainly is one of the most powerful forces and I'm guessing its hold on Crowley's psyche might explain his decision to rename.
Luciferianism gains traction as 'correction' when orthodox religion fails to explain. Two thieves on the cross which is seen as symbol by the theosophist, and literal instrument of torture to the literlist. This creates impossible arguments rather than enlightened discussion. Same can be said about the strange 'coincidence' of Ishtar/Easter occurring over the same 3 days as the sun's vernal equinox. Discuss or argue, your choice. Be as wise as the serpents.........
The path of knowledge of good and evil is the reason humans got cast out from heaven/paradise. The fruit offered by the serpent to Eve. You can know all things hidden and occult but we still would be dumb and ignorant. Lust is not powerful, its just a way to weaken you. Its twisting the force of creating a new life for your own pleasures. Look at what that dude became with all his black magic, he turned into an insane wicked sex addict.
You can know all things hidden and occult but we still would be dumb and ignorant.
"Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." (2 Tim 3:7)
Look at what that dude became with all his black magic, he turned into an insane wicked sex addict.
"But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived." (2 Tim 3:13)
In general regarding philosophies like that of Crowley,
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." (Col 2:8)
As another example of "philosophy and vain deceit". Nietzsche is considered a "great thinker", but he spent the last 10 years of his life insane. See again the "wax worse and worse".
Exatcly dude. This is the kind of bros in this community that are good. The ones that can read between the lines. I thought about Nietzsche too, and you said it out loud - Nietzsche got insane too, other brother said that to me. Wasnt Nietzsche that said God is dead? Nihilism have its benefits, but taking it to extremes is bad for you.
Point about knowing the truth is one thing, but practicing it is when things start (resistance of evil).
Everyone has a free will and knock and it will be open.
But God wont give you what you want, he will give you what you need.
The commandments are important and there are lots of things like pearls before swine, not everybody is yo be called a brother, dont love parents or sons more than God. Its a challenge to avoid sinning but you only learn about your flesh the moment you start living in the Holy Spirit. Things like repentance, confession, prayers, are important. In the end everything is our fault (for letting the world corrupt us or being inclined to our sinful nature. The other thing is the powers of this world, wickedness in higher places, they are constantly pushing love of gold and lust eveywhere (sex sells) and poisoning the well.
I have no desire to defend Aleister Crowley's actions. Including producing the Moon Child that became known to the world as 'Barbara (Pearce/Percy) Bush.'
I find many faults in the theosophist cosmology/philosophy, let alone Luciferians who attempt to use it.
Re: The knowledge of the tree of life. That knowledge is what eventually distinguishes free will and the human soul.
'She' as the feminine nature of receptivity, specifically knowledge was the one chosen to 'tempt'. Eve means 'beginning'. Adam means blood red clay.
And this understanding of components as symbolic clears up misconceptions created by literal interpretations. It isn't for everyone. Lest they be as godS. Interesting quote.
Q, the Star. Divine Inspiration, 17.
Is a re-righting of the inverted interpretation of all things. A 'New Outpouring' of informational and spiritual knowledge aka Great Awakening, as the card showing the woman pouring water from a vase suggests. It's Elijah/Elisha to the church of the times. It happens as a cycle. Each book of the Old Testament is one of these cycles as explained in the stories. In this way, 'It's going to be biblical'.
When someone digs too deep in the occult it gets lost in daydreaming, fantasy, and detaches from reality. Have to keep your feet on the ground and get grounded, look at the pit and the pit looks back to you. So basically the marseille tarot got compromised by Crowley and now its kinda useless. Anyway, oracles, divination, magic, everything has a price. Not selling my soul for anything be it power, money, fame, anything.
Crowley was saying that occultists had been using a 'useless' version of tarot and his corrected it. He was rewarded in reputation and reput and given title within occult circles as a result, due to the insight. He wasn't wrong. 16 and 17 had been switched. The conversation can be raised to principles and Crowley dropped from the conversation once this is understood and knowledge is no longer feared or hated.
Detachment from reality does ruin everything, agreed.
Back in that time there was no internet. So yeah, he got insane, from demons or the devil himself, idk, but his works were bad, and it influenced lots of books and movies.
it (lust) certainly is one of the most powerful forces
Being implies choice; lust implies inclination. Choosing to incline tempts being off-center. That being said...most vs less implies inclination by choice.
Basically crowley was a degen and profane. Occultist and serving lucifer, making black magick, vodoo, hexes, curses, blood rituals and dealing with dark energies.
Is that so? And you are a perfect beacon of light?
Significant personal growth often requires going through difficult or dark experiences. One must go through hell to get to heaven.
This is similar to the idea that a tree must send its roots deep — even into challenging or dark places — in order to grow tall and strong.
All roads ultimately lead to the same place. Whether a person follows a conventional path or takes what appears to be an evil or unconventional one, such as methods associated with Crowley, the underlying aim can be to drop the false self and discover the true self. Different routes may be taken, but they can lead to the same destination of honest self-discovery
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again
Can you point out to me what was the personal attack? Is it the beacon of light question?
If so, I would say we are to reflect the beacon of light and tho we don't do it perfectly due to being on this side of glory, some shaky light is better than no light when surrounded by darkness. The beacon gets brighter the closer we get to it and the greater we'll shine for it. Keep on shining dude.
Good reply bro. Its my personal dilemn right now, like a candle cant be hidden, i've always wondered what does that mean because even Jesus told sometimes to keep things hidden. But if we silent, the darkness steps over the world. I never said im better than anyone and God will judge even Alister Crowley, not me. But imo, we have to judge, if we dont judge, we are bound to repeat same mistakes from the past. All ive said is my point of view about calling evil good, good evil, and saying lust is god (its not, its a sin). I dont believe so much in James from the Bible, i think he got a wrong view and he is too harsh. The point about being saved by faith or works. To me we are saved by Grace of God. Not works, and should not boast. We are all searching for the truth and trying to not believe in antichrist or false prophets (aint no prophets after Jesus). We are light but we have a flesh to tame, kind like yin and yang, a sinful nature (pride, wrath, greed, lust, sloth, etc.
About the dude, he started with irony and im at work. If he was more gentle and kind i could read what he wrote but nah, i dont find his personal irony helfpul at all. Ofc im not Jesus, no one is capable of sitting at the right of God, no one could endure what Jesus endured. Technically we could, but our faith is not so big like the Master. About worshipping Crowley, he is a false idol. Not taking out his contribution and research on occultism, but the fact is that he got insane doing it and degeneracy and lust are one pillar of the destruction of society that is going on.
like a candle cant be hidden, i've always wondered what does that mean because even Jesus told sometimes to keep things hidden.
A candle is a tool for seeing in the dark, what purpose does it have being hidden?
Jesus said to be harmless as doves but wise as serpents.
I think this means to know when to strike the heart of things while having love in our hearts for those lost and speaking life instead of death.
But imo, we have to judge, if we dont judge, we are bound to repeat same mistakes from the past.
Yes, we judge with God given discernment and lean on His understanding and not our own.
How do we discern the heart of God?
I think we just have to ask for Him to break our heart for what breaks His.
To me we are saved by Grace of God. Not works, and should not boast.
We are indeed saved by Grace through Faith. From a grateful heart springs the fruit of His Spirit, which is never not working.
(Edit: we boast in the Lord and His work!)
aint no prophets after Jesus
How do you reconcile this against His saying He will pour out His Spirit and men and women will prophesy?
Talking about hating the sin and not the sinner, right? That is hard to practice. People dont act like that, so i wont either. Loving the sinners its kind of a compliance to their sins. Basic thing is respect, i wont respect those who dont respect me or others. About your last question, i think sometimes we can prophesize and talk in tongues by the Holy Spirit, but no more 100% prophets like Isaiah and Ezequiel no more after Jesus. About speaking life or death, Jesus got mad and cursed a fig tree withiut fruits. He stormed the vendillions of the temple (den of thieves) and he stormed out his owk family saying his family is the ones that do God's will. The good shepard gives his own life to the sheeps. Im not good, only God is good, and God gets angry and mad with the wicked ones. Better to put a stone on your neck than to misleading the ones that believe. We are at a point were darkness deceits as light and i will keep pointing out the lies and the well poisoners. Sometimes its ignorance, but sometimes its pure malice, malicious intent. Indeed we have to be wise and smart as serpents. And he wasnt like a dove when he stormed the temple and cursed the fig tree. This is what Christians get wrong, they accept everything, not everyone deserves pity or mercy. You have to repent first. And not consent to evil. You dont invite robbers to your own house. He ate with sinners, he did not invite sinners to his own home.
So ive read a bit, its not about going to hell to have roots there and its not about all roads lead to Rome. Some roads are distractions. And everyone has free will and you are free to roam to hell if you think its worth. Im not going there, you go there it leaves scars on you. Im avoiding it. The rest you can read on my reply to the mod. And no im not perfect or better than God. I will keep judging the things of this world to point out what is good and what is not. You judge an apple after you bite, if its rancid you dont eat it. Judgement is a part of logic thinking and the world is this degenerate because people call hell heaven and call evil good.
Forgive the ai response. It's pretty close to what I'd respond if I had more time.
Discernment: The ability to perceive, recognize, or distinguish subtle differences, nuances, or truth from falsehood. It emphasizes insight, clarity, and wisdom—seeing things as they really are without being clouded by bias, emotion, or haste.
It's more about perception and understanding (the "seeing" part).
Judgment: The act of forming an opinion, making a decision, or evaluating something/someone as good/bad, right/wrong, better/worse. It often involves conclusion or verdict.
It can carry a negative connotation (e.g., being "judgmental" = harshly critical), but in a neutral sense it's simply decision-making or assessment
Basically discernment is just seeing the thing for what is and the other is having some sort of thought/feeling about it... Pretty much irrational.
There's only one way for each one within. Coming into being as one within all implies exterior (motion) delineating (momentum) interior (matter).
Interior holding onto exterior shapes a circle (vert) within (in) a line.
invert the meaning
Meaning implies "to measure". If one takes a measurement, then one inverts the measurable given. Notice that while alive...one cannot measure the length in-between ones inception and death.
cards
What's a card? A chart to navi (ship) gate (to move). What's a deck? A covering extending from side to side over part of a ship.
If motion (sea) > momentum (side to side) > matter (ship) then what does drawing a card from a deck imply for the navigator?
tarot
Instead of drawing cards from a deck...how about tarot/taraha (he rejected, put aside) or horah (he taught, showed) or torah (instruction)?
Crowley made claim that cards of the tarot had been 'switched' in the past in order to protect it 'from the profane'. His reassembly of the cards gave him claim as poohbah to Theosophists, as it seemed to clear up issues that the switched cards presented.
This was in reference to the switch of the Tzaddi and The Star cards, numbers 16 and 17, where 17 represents Divine Inspiration.
He re-named other cards to 'more accurately represent' the cards as named according to his research and understanding.
The word occult means 'hidden knowledge'. Be as wise as the serpent, yet 'blameless' (a better word than 'innocent') as a lamb.
Yes but he was a clown and a fool, play stupid games win stupid prizes. Lust is not and never will be a virtue, and it has nothing to do with power. Lust is a sin. Dude only poisons the well. He twisted the free will to something as "do whatever you want" and this is the start of a wicked logic going against God commandments to be pure and good. Thanks for your contribution. When you start calling evil good, things start to go down. That dude is the kind that puts womans above mans, another fallacy. He literally got insane.
In general, I agree with your statement. Crowley was a cad and crazy as a fox.
I'd add that Lust certainly isn't a virtue. But it certainly is one of the most powerful forces and I'm guessing its hold on Crowley's psyche might explain his decision to rename.
Luciferianism gains traction as 'correction' when orthodox religion fails to explain. Two thieves on the cross which is seen as symbol by the theosophist, and literal instrument of torture to the literlist. This creates impossible arguments rather than enlightened discussion. Same can be said about the strange 'coincidence' of Ishtar/Easter occurring over the same 3 days as the sun's vernal equinox. Discuss or argue, your choice. Be as wise as the serpents.........
The path of knowledge of good and evil is the reason humans got cast out from heaven/paradise. The fruit offered by the serpent to Eve. You can know all things hidden and occult but we still would be dumb and ignorant. Lust is not powerful, its just a way to weaken you. Its twisting the force of creating a new life for your own pleasures. Look at what that dude became with all his black magic, he turned into an insane wicked sex addict.
Some Bible verses in support
"Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." (2 Tim 3:7)
"But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived." (2 Tim 3:13)
In general regarding philosophies like that of Crowley,
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." (Col 2:8)
As another example of "philosophy and vain deceit". Nietzsche is considered a "great thinker", but he spent the last 10 years of his life insane. See again the "wax worse and worse".
Exatcly dude. This is the kind of bros in this community that are good. The ones that can read between the lines. I thought about Nietzsche too, and you said it out loud - Nietzsche got insane too, other brother said that to me. Wasnt Nietzsche that said God is dead? Nihilism have its benefits, but taking it to extremes is bad for you. Point about knowing the truth is one thing, but practicing it is when things start (resistance of evil). Everyone has a free will and knock and it will be open. But God wont give you what you want, he will give you what you need. The commandments are important and there are lots of things like pearls before swine, not everybody is yo be called a brother, dont love parents or sons more than God. Its a challenge to avoid sinning but you only learn about your flesh the moment you start living in the Holy Spirit. Things like repentance, confession, prayers, are important. In the end everything is our fault (for letting the world corrupt us or being inclined to our sinful nature. The other thing is the powers of this world, wickedness in higher places, they are constantly pushing love of gold and lust eveywhere (sex sells) and poisoning the well.
I have no desire to defend Aleister Crowley's actions. Including producing the Moon Child that became known to the world as 'Barbara (Pearce/Percy) Bush.' I find many faults in the theosophist cosmology/philosophy, let alone Luciferians who attempt to use it.
Re: The knowledge of the tree of life. That knowledge is what eventually distinguishes free will and the human soul. 'She' as the feminine nature of receptivity, specifically knowledge was the one chosen to 'tempt'. Eve means 'beginning'. Adam means blood red clay. And this understanding of components as symbolic clears up misconceptions created by literal interpretations. It isn't for everyone. Lest they be as godS. Interesting quote.
Q, the Star. Divine Inspiration, 17.
Is a re-righting of the inverted interpretation of all things. A 'New Outpouring' of informational and spiritual knowledge aka Great Awakening, as the card showing the woman pouring water from a vase suggests. It's Elijah/Elisha to the church of the times. It happens as a cycle. Each book of the Old Testament is one of these cycles as explained in the stories. In this way, 'It's going to be biblical'.
When someone digs too deep in the occult it gets lost in daydreaming, fantasy, and detaches from reality. Have to keep your feet on the ground and get grounded, look at the pit and the pit looks back to you. So basically the marseille tarot got compromised by Crowley and now its kinda useless. Anyway, oracles, divination, magic, everything has a price. Not selling my soul for anything be it power, money, fame, anything.
Crowley was saying that occultists had been using a 'useless' version of tarot and his corrected it. He was rewarded in reputation and reput and given title within occult circles as a result, due to the insight. He wasn't wrong. 16 and 17 had been switched. The conversation can be raised to principles and Crowley dropped from the conversation once this is understood and knowledge is no longer feared or hated.
Detachment from reality does ruin everything, agreed.
Back in that time there was no internet. So yeah, he got insane, from demons or the devil himself, idk, but his works were bad, and it influenced lots of books and movies.
...tempt to be taken by given choice.
Happen implies "coming to pass by chance". Chance implies "taken by given choice".
What if choice was given during delineation, while taking a chance shapes a circle?
Being implies choice; lust implies inclination. Choosing to incline tempts being off-center. That being said...most vs less implies inclination by choice.
Dude switched the card POWER to LUST and KNIGHTS for PRINCESSES. JUSTICE to AVENGER. Wicked degen.
Aleister Crowley & Christianity: Two Paths, One Truth – Transcending Ego and Surrendering Will
https://youtu.be/F06Dz3HUGEQ
Basically crowley was a degen and profane. Occultist and serving lucifer, making black magick, vodoo, hexes, curses, blood rituals and dealing with dark energies.
Is that so? And you are a perfect beacon of light?
Significant personal growth often requires going through difficult or dark experiences. One must go through hell to get to heaven.
This is similar to the idea that a tree must send its roots deep — even into challenging or dark places — in order to grow tall and strong.
All roads ultimately lead to the same place. Whether a person follows a conventional path or takes what appears to be an evil or unconventional one, such as methods associated with Crowley, the underlying aim can be to drop the false self and discover the true self. Different routes may be taken, but they can lead to the same destination of honest self-discovery
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again
Oh so you start with personal attacks? Not even reading further. Blocked and bye.
Can you point out to me what was the personal attack? Is it the beacon of light question?
If so, I would say we are to reflect the beacon of light and tho we don't do it perfectly due to being on this side of glory, some shaky light is better than no light when surrounded by darkness. The beacon gets brighter the closer we get to it and the greater we'll shine for it. Keep on shining dude.
Good reply bro. Its my personal dilemn right now, like a candle cant be hidden, i've always wondered what does that mean because even Jesus told sometimes to keep things hidden. But if we silent, the darkness steps over the world. I never said im better than anyone and God will judge even Alister Crowley, not me. But imo, we have to judge, if we dont judge, we are bound to repeat same mistakes from the past. All ive said is my point of view about calling evil good, good evil, and saying lust is god (its not, its a sin). I dont believe so much in James from the Bible, i think he got a wrong view and he is too harsh. The point about being saved by faith or works. To me we are saved by Grace of God. Not works, and should not boast. We are all searching for the truth and trying to not believe in antichrist or false prophets (aint no prophets after Jesus). We are light but we have a flesh to tame, kind like yin and yang, a sinful nature (pride, wrath, greed, lust, sloth, etc. About the dude, he started with irony and im at work. If he was more gentle and kind i could read what he wrote but nah, i dont find his personal irony helfpul at all. Ofc im not Jesus, no one is capable of sitting at the right of God, no one could endure what Jesus endured. Technically we could, but our faith is not so big like the Master. About worshipping Crowley, he is a false idol. Not taking out his contribution and research on occultism, but the fact is that he got insane doing it and degeneracy and lust are one pillar of the destruction of society that is going on.
A candle is a tool for seeing in the dark, what purpose does it have being hidden?
Jesus said to be harmless as doves but wise as serpents.
I think this means to know when to strike the heart of things while having love in our hearts for those lost and speaking life instead of death.
Yes, we judge with God given discernment and lean on His understanding and not our own.
How do we discern the heart of God?
I think we just have to ask for Him to break our heart for what breaks His.
We are indeed saved by Grace through Faith. From a grateful heart springs the fruit of His Spirit, which is never not working.
(Edit: we boast in the Lord and His work!)
How do you reconcile this against His saying He will pour out His Spirit and men and women will prophesy?
Talking about hating the sin and not the sinner, right? That is hard to practice. People dont act like that, so i wont either. Loving the sinners its kind of a compliance to their sins. Basic thing is respect, i wont respect those who dont respect me or others. About your last question, i think sometimes we can prophesize and talk in tongues by the Holy Spirit, but no more 100% prophets like Isaiah and Ezequiel no more after Jesus. About speaking life or death, Jesus got mad and cursed a fig tree withiut fruits. He stormed the vendillions of the temple (den of thieves) and he stormed out his owk family saying his family is the ones that do God's will. The good shepard gives his own life to the sheeps. Im not good, only God is good, and God gets angry and mad with the wicked ones. Better to put a stone on your neck than to misleading the ones that believe. We are at a point were darkness deceits as light and i will keep pointing out the lies and the well poisoners. Sometimes its ignorance, but sometimes its pure malice, malicious intent. Indeed we have to be wise and smart as serpents. And he wasnt like a dove when he stormed the temple and cursed the fig tree. This is what Christians get wrong, they accept everything, not everyone deserves pity or mercy. You have to repent first. And not consent to evil. You dont invite robbers to your own house. He ate with sinners, he did not invite sinners to his own home.
Lol asking a question is a personal attack... I guess that answered the question though...
Shine on, you crazy diamond :)
It was a misunderstanding.
I'm not sure that was the case and if this is a misunderstanding, I'll let you know when I know.
☀️💎🎶
So ive read a bit, its not about going to hell to have roots there and its not about all roads lead to Rome. Some roads are distractions. And everyone has free will and you are free to roam to hell if you think its worth. Im not going there, you go there it leaves scars on you. Im avoiding it. The rest you can read on my reply to the mod. And no im not perfect or better than God. I will keep judging the things of this world to point out what is good and what is not. You judge an apple after you bite, if its rancid you dont eat it. Judgement is a part of logic thinking and the world is this degenerate because people call hell heaven and call evil good.
You confuse discernment with judgement. Your conclusions are both illogical and false.
Hope you don't mind my jumping in.
What is the difference between discernment and judgement?
Forgive the ai response. It's pretty close to what I'd respond if I had more time.
Discernment: The ability to perceive, recognize, or distinguish subtle differences, nuances, or truth from falsehood. It emphasizes insight, clarity, and wisdom—seeing things as they really are without being clouded by bias, emotion, or haste. It's more about perception and understanding (the "seeing" part).
Judgment: The act of forming an opinion, making a decision, or evaluating something/someone as good/bad, right/wrong, better/worse. It often involves conclusion or verdict. It can carry a negative connotation (e.g., being "judgmental" = harshly critical), but in a neutral sense it's simply decision-making or assessment
Basically discernment is just seeing the thing for what is and the other is having some sort of thought/feeling about it... Pretty much irrational.
"you're killin me, Smalls"
No rush, get back to me whenever you have the time, I plan to be around :o)
There's only one way for each one within. Coming into being as one within all implies exterior (motion) delineating (momentum) interior (matter).
Interior holding onto exterior shapes a circle (vert) within (in) a line.
Meaning implies "to measure". If one takes a measurement, then one inverts the measurable given. Notice that while alive...one cannot measure the length in-between ones inception and death.
What's a card? A chart to navi (ship) gate (to move). What's a deck? A covering extending from side to side over part of a ship.
If motion (sea) > momentum (side to side) > matter (ship) then what does drawing a card from a deck imply for the navigator?
Instead of drawing cards from a deck...how about tarot/taraha (he rejected, put aside) or horah (he taught, showed) or torah (instruction)?
Tarot/torah...