If they're Cainites, they're not Jews (Judahites) then.
If they're Jews (Judahites), they're not Cainites then.
The fact that Judahites are doing Cainite things, and things from the other races you mention, doesn't make them Cainite by descent.
If Americans can say Jews are not Jews, then Jews can say Americans are not Americans. Perhaps the Jews are seeding us with the idea of erasing their heritage so that they can be justified in erasing ours? We wouldn't want to contribute to that, would we?
Cainites/Kenites/Canaanites/Phoenicians/Edomites are Ba'als chosen canniBALs.
Not only did Nimrod kill and eat the fair-skinned descendants of Shem, in his fury and hatred he often burned them alive. The type of human sacrifice involving the eating of the slaughtered human victims derived its name from the combined names of his uncle, Canaan, and the demon god Baal, the two names being combined to form the word "cannibal." Nimrod was also known in ancient history by the names of Marduk, Bel, and Merodach. Because of his importance in its history, Babylon was known as the Land of Nimrod. Nimrod is also cited in the most ancient Masonic constitutions as the founder of Freemasonry.
Chambers Encyclopaedia notes that "After 1200 B.C. the name of Canaanites vanished from history. They changed their name to Phoenician." Thus the most notorious and most hated people on earth received a new lease on life. The barbaric Canaanites had disappeared.
The change of name did not mean that the Canaanites had abandoned their worship of Baal and Ashtoreth. They became more prudent in their worship of Baal, and in the colonies which they established along the length of the Mediterranean, they built their temples to the female of the species, Ashtoreth. In the Egyptian city of Memphis, the Phoenician Temple of Ashotoreth was the largest religious edifice. She was known there as the wife of the supreme god, El, and his seventy deities. In their rituals, Ashtoreth was sometimes worshipped as the male demon, Astaroth, who survived in European rites as Astara or Ostara. In this form, he became the patron god of the Nazi movement in Germany.
more civilized Phoenicians, seemingly harmless merchant folk, took their place. Having obtained a monopoly on purple dye, which was highly prized throughout the ancient world, the Canaanites advertised their control over this product by calling themselves Phoenicians, from Phoenicia (phoenikiea), the Greek word for purple. From the outset of their history, the Phoenician Canaanites always managed to get a monopoly on some essential product. They later had a monopoly on tin for some centuries, until the Greeks discovered tin in Cornwall in 233 B.C. Joseph of Arimathea, the uncle of Jesus, was said to have owned large tin mines in Cornwall.
The change of name did not mean that the Canaanites had abandoned their worship of Baal and Ashtoreth. They became more prudent in their worship of Baal, and in the colonies which they established along the length of the Mediterranean, they built their temples to the female of the species, Ashtoreth. In the Egyptian city of Memphis, the Phoenician Temple of Ashotoreth was the largest religious edifice. She was known there as the wife of the supreme god, El, and his seventy deities. In their rituals, Ashtoreth was sometimes worshipped as the male demon, Astaroth, who survived in European rites as Astara or Ostara. In this form, he became the patron god of the Nazi movement in Germany.
The westernmost outpost of the Phoenicians was Cadiz, a Phoenician colony which derived its name from the Semitic gadir, or fortress. Their most important colony, which soon became a rival to Rome itself, was Carthage, which they established about 900 B.C. The name derived from Hebrew, Kart-hadshat, or new city. The Phoenicians often named their cities with the prefix of "new." During the fifth century, the Carthaginians had fought the Greeks and survived, but in 264 B.C. Rome attacked in full force. A series of wars ensued, called the Punic Wars, because the Carthaginians called themselves the Punics. St. Augustine noted that the Punics among themselves referred to their people as the "Chanani," or Canaanites, but this name was like a secret code; they never used it in dealing with other people
Funny mix of pretended and real etymologies, Eustace. "Cannibal" is a version of the 16th-century Carib [or Kali'na] people's name for themselves, so it's a Native American word. Many spellings and languages are attested and may have originally been "karipona". We could argue that Natives came from Asians who would have known of Hamite Canaan and of baalim under the simple meaning of human lords, but such a literalist theory would require backup and would need to explain how Kna'an and Ba'al were combined and became karipona* in Guiana, which has no sense. [If we were to supply a Semitic root arbitrarily for the Guianan, we might propose qari'-panah*, which can be translated "chosen head", which would one-up Eustace quite a bit in terms of historical fit.] The fact, that Nimrod, whom I've tracked to be the same as Naram-Sin, engaged rituals that probably included cannibalism, is no evidence that it was so named at that time.
I'm seeing no real evidence for the "seventy deities" besides a late strained Jewish interpretation of Deut. 32:8, which is not about El but about Elyon (since we're making distinctions). The deities have no names unless the Table of Nations starting with Shem, Ham, and Japheth is taken as their names.
Astara or Ostara ... became the patron god of the Nazi movement in Germany.
Oh, that's fun and I should know it if true. Yes, it looks like Jorg Lanz published Ostara magazine about this god, that Hitler read it in his youth, and that Lanz is on my broad list of contributors to Nazi philosophy; but calling this connection "the patron god" ("the") presses the issue too far. Ostara is indeed merged with Ashtoreth in European convergent etymology, meaning that it had the ordinary positive connotations of east, Austria, (sun) rising, and merged those inseparably with the Semitic connotations of Ashtoreth, Asherah poles, and some say Stur (Saturn), a process long before 1000 AD.
"Purple" does not appear to be the original meaning of the "phoenix" words, but a derivative based on association with the extant Canaanite people. The original may be Egyptian "fnhw", "carpenters", found at Karnak; or, in Linear B, "ponikijo", "palm".
Other statements are accurate or not worth disputing.
Modern Jews are Jews. Exactly same Jews who immigrate into Palestine from Egypt. God's attempt to bring this disgusting tribe to senses ended when Jews killed Jesus. After that, Jews lost any possible right to live in Palestine and run like cockroaches around all world.
Khazarian Kaganate was multiethnic entity, whith Jewish rulers and numerous different tribes under their control. There is no such ethnic thing as "Khasarian".
Some propagandists trying to somehow save Jewish image inventing some non-existing "Khasarians", who are supposedly not "Real Jews", to somehow separate all the shit Jews do from some fictional "Real Jews". However, it was exactly "Real Jews" who demanded Jesus death.
"Tartaria" is an invention of lazy western cartographers, who know shit about lands behind Don and Volga, but heard that there live Tatars. Being arrogant and ignorant, they don't even bother to find out how things are in reality. They misspelled "Tataria" as "Tartaria" because that way it associated with "Tartar" (Ancient Greek for "hell") and so their maps could be sold easier with a misterious and scary "Tartaria" on them.
Actual Tataria is a Tatar region in Russia, with capital of Kazan. It have two state languages - Russian and Tatar and inhabited with Orthodox Christian Russians and Muslim Tatars living together there for more than half a millenia.
Your stupid attempts to divert attention from Jews to some fictional "Khazars" or whatever will fail. Jews are Jews. They was Jews from the very beginning, and they are Jews now. Through all history Jews was disgusting nomad tribe that was so disgusting that even God Himself have to interfere in attempts to bring this tribe to senses. But all that attempts failed. Only very few men and women from that tribe through all the history decided to abandon tribe satanism an try to become better. Overhelming majority of Jews always choose to praise Satan and do disgusting shit using their free will. Moders Jews are same. Exact descendants of those who buld an idol while Moses tried to talk with God, and those who chanted "His blood on us and our descendats" demanding to execute Jesus Christ. There is no any other "Good Jews" or "Real Jews" who are not like that.
If you want an example of "Good Jews" - take a look at Apostole Jacob, Bobby Fisher or Eduard Khodos. May be some few more Jews who truly get that Jews have to abandon their satanic religion and try to repent before humanity for all their crimes.
Modern Jews are Jews. Exactly same Jews who immigrate into Palestine from Egypt
Jews came from the same place the Phoenicians came from, area called Canaan, Phoenicia, or Jerusalem. That's right, the original inhabitants of Jerusalem were Phoenician Canaanites. Jerusalem was originally a village built on a hill, and called Urushalim.
The name "Urushalim is first found on Egyptian statues, approx 2500 BC. "Urushalim", in fact is a word of Canaanite derivation, the prefix "uru", meaning "founded by", and the suffix "salem" or "Shalem," Phoenician Canaanite god of dusk. This evidence is reinforced by archaeology and by tablets found in Elba, Syria, dating back to 3000 B.C., on which the god Shalem being venerated in a city called Uruksalem is mentioned. The old name of the city Urushalim figures also in the Egyptian texts called Texts of Proscription of XII dynasty 'ws'mm pronounced in Akkadian language Urushalim city of god.
The Jews agree that Jerusalem was not originally their city but was Canaanite until conquered in the late 11th century BC. This gives no evidence that Jews and Phoenicians were the same people.
The third-mill citations you give don't pan out as Jerusalem doesn't seem to go back before the 19th century BC. It's entirely possible there exists one older "Egyptian statue" and/or "[Ebla] tablet" but they don't come up and there are no Ebla tablets before ca. 2500 BC. Instead, I see I don't even have to ask for your source because you plagiarized Phoenicia.org, written by Salim Khalaf without further sourcing. So let's drop the partisan rhetoric and stick to elite research, thanks.
they don't come up and there are no Ebla tablets before ca. 2500 BC
And you should know, because you research Wikipedia. LOL
you plagiarized Phoenicia.org
That's some strong wording you use... that's right, Phoenicia.org is the correct source. Next time I'll remember and mention it as quotation, and reference it as a source, if it bothers you so much. I think what bothers you even more is that I state your beloved Jews are not the true Israelites. That's why you're using the word "plagiarized", I must have struck a sensitive spot.
And Salim Khalaf probably got it (you see I don't use the word plagiarized) from Constantin Tsutras ORDM. Here is the quote "The original inhabitants of Jerusalem were Phoenician Canaanites. Jerusalem was originally a village built on a hill. The name "Urushalim is first found on Egyptian statues, circa 2500 B.C. "Urushalim", and in fact is a word of Canaanite derivation; the prefix "uru", meaning "founded by", and the suffix "salem" or "Shalem," Phoenician Canaanite "GOD OF DUSK.".
The word "plagiarized" is common for use without edit or attribution; now that you've apologized I'll drop the charge. Yes, I do use Wikipedia to supplement my memory, and when fitting I quote them rather than summarize them. My memory was that Ebla was postdiluvian and so there wouldn't be any tablets before ca. 2500 BC for that reason either, but the fact that Wikipedia agrees isn't a problem.
However, you don't add any data about alleged Egyptian statues or Ebla tablets. But thank you for pointing out that Constantin Tsutras and Salim Khalaf say exactly the same thing. Ordinarily I'd say that one plagiarized from the other because neither give dates or sources, but since I don't know which I'll give them both a pass.
You seem to attribute some relationship between me and Jews other than the fact that I do worship one Jew, Jesus Christ. As a Christian, I believe the whole Bible is accurate and Judah (b. 1793 BC) is the son of Israel, making all Jews Israelites. I know there are recent skeptics disagreeing but I've investigated all their claims and found them valueless.
I see no evidence that Tsutras's book is worth investing in as I'm not interested in "esoteric interpretations beyond the literal and historical accepted meanings" when the literal historical isn't accepted in the first place. He seems to be a Noachite who thinks he's transcended Christianity.
The point is that Jerusalem being originally a Canaanite city, just as the Bible states, is no evidence that Jews aren't Israelites, an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence. The default evidence of the Bible stands unchallenged. If you want free reading, consider that the majority of the Ten Plagues are historically attested in the year 1540-1539, exactly the year the Biblical chronology points to.
Capital: Itil, somewhere in the Volga river Delta. Not found yet. There is some mentions in Greek texts that Greeks was paid in gold jewerly to build a town in Khazaria, but it is not clear if it was Itil or some other town.
Religion: Elite - Judaism, population - mixed pagan religions of tribes.
Etnicity: Elite - Jews, population - local tribes.
Rulers: Kagans. Don't mix with Khans of mongolia and asia. There is no sound K in mongolian language, even in mongolian alphabets, letter K appeared only two centuries ago for writing words from another laguages.
Trade: Nearly non-existent. Khazarian Kaganate lived mostly from forays and racketeering, that's why it was hated by everyone around. There was no trade routes through Khazarian Kaganate, because there was no any chance that shipment will reach destination. Any caravan that was unfortunate to pass anywhere nearby Kaganate will end robbed and killed.
Tataria (mistankingly named Tartaria in some western maps):
Capital: Kazan on the Volga river, thousand miles to the North of former land of Kaganate.
Religion: Muslims
Etnicity: Tatars
Rulers: Tatar Khan Don't mix with Jewish Kagan!
Trade: Before Golden Horde - intensive trade with neighbours, At the time of Golden Horde turned to foray and racket, but still there was some trade, After last Tataria war with Russia, Tataria become part of Russia with all consequences. Now it is highly developed and economically active region of Russia - Tatarstan Republic.
Tataria and Khazarian Kaganate have no any intersections, neither in space nor in time, nor in social, cultural, and any other spheres.
Western sources for some "unknown" ( :) ) reasons mix "Khagan" and "Khan", while it is completely different words. "Khagan" is actually Kagan, Hebrew word. "Khan" is actually Han, without K, of Middle Asia origin, because asians at the time don't have sound K in their languages. So, it is Kaganate and Hanate, or how it sound in Russian "Kaganat" and "Hanstvo". Totally different things, in political, economical and other ways. Attempts to pose them as same thing is as stupid, as trying to equalize English phrase "peace deal" with Russian word "pizdyozh" (slur for "blatant lie"). Well, current Western elite actually trying to do everything to achieve exactly that. :)
There is known only two Kaganates existed - Khazarian Kaganate and Uighur Kaganate. Both had Jewish rulers and population of different religion and etnicity. Both was destroyed by neighbours because it was hostile states living on foray and racket of neighbours. Everything else - Hanstvo (Hanate) - etnic states where rulers and population was of same religion and etnicity. Not all Hanates was agressive, some existed up to 19 century without much tensions with neighbours.
This insolent cheating with transliteration Kagan (like in pure Jewish surnames Kagan, Kogan, Cohen) -> Khagan and Han -> Khan in Western sources seem to be used intentionally to hide unplesant truth about nature of historic entities where Jews was lucky to usurp power in their hands and turned that entities into hostile foraying and racketeering shitholes. Not much left from this Kaganates, because Jews can't create and build, only rob and destroy. On the other side, Hanates left amaising culture and architecture artifacts, that still are the jewels of human achevements.
To hide that unpleasant for Jews thruth western "historians" turned to that cheating. Fortunately, Western version of history is not the only one, so difference between Kaganates and Hanates can't be hidden in playing with letters.
Jews are Jews. Every time they usurp power over some people, there is destruction, robbery and all shit possible. Look at Ukraine - it is typical 100% Kaganate, Where Jewish elite rob and opress non-Jewish local people and trying to racketeer everyone around. USA is also typical Kaganate where Jewish top play with population of different ethniicity extracting weath from them and all other world. Not much different from Khazarian Kaganate, they just use modern tools, not plain foray and racket, but the essence is exactly same.
No links to pedovikia or to some shabbesgoy "historian" will change that. Kaganate is a kind of state where Jewish Kagans usurp power over local goyim population and extort everything they could from population of Kaganate (including using it as manpower to rob other states) and from countries around. USA is typical Kaganate now, where mainly AngloSaxon population ruled by Jewish elite. Same Jews as in Bible. Exactly same.
And don't try to use just Khazaria to name Khazarian Kaganate. The keyword here is Kaganate - system where arrived Jews rule over local non-Jewish population.
Neither the Jews’s religion nor their DNA traces back to the OT Israelites, but rather to the Phoenicians/Carthaginians. Genetically and historically, these Phoenicians/Carthaginians are the descendants of the Canaanites that the Hebrews displaced and drove north from the area of Jerusalem.
In fact the Phoenicians/Carthaginians were Israelites’ enemies.
Neither the Jews’s religion nor their DNA traces back to the OT Israelites, but rather to the Phoenicians/Carthaginians.
Source?
What I see is that Phoenicia (including Carthage) had similar ancestry in Canaan to the Israelites' through Abraham, but that would make them brother nations and not descendants. One hint is that Phoenicians have some Jewish heritage rather than the other way around.
First of all the spiritual lineage of the Jews traces back to ancient Babylon. In Babylon, the Hebrew elites discovered pagan mysticism and a religion in which the priestly and prophetic classes were mouthpieces for the state and its ruling classes. That was one major source of spiritual corruption that would form the strain that became Talmudic Judaism. But there was another, one directly tied to the Jews’ true genetic lineage.
In terms of their roots, they traced back to the Phoenician cities of Tyre and Sidon just north of today's fake state of Israel. Genetically and historically, those Phoenicians/Carthaginians are the descendants of the Canaanites that the Hebrews displaced and drove north. In Judges 3:1-4 the Canaanites were not fully annihilated but permitted to survive so that they could serve to test future Israelites in battle... both militarily and spiritually.
The already corrupted Hebrews followed the sea trade routes, making converts of the Carthaginians, their Semitic cousins, who were so devastated by their utter defeat by Rome that they were ready to hear their backwater cousins’ prophesies about a coming messiah who would make their nation great again. Sounds familiar?
Well, Wells and Beaty get minor roles in the development of the Khazar hypothesis, but every time that's come up I've pointed out that the Khazars were circumcised and naturalized, and then intermarried with other Jews, giving the Jewish people every right to continue the name of Jew because it was the merger of two peoples instead of two completely distinct lines. I silence people by saying that if Americans can tell Jews they're not Jews, then that allows Jews to claim the same right to say Americans aren't Americans (as immigration proponents like Schumer are doing).
But the Khazar hypothesis isn't the Edomite, which isn't the Babylonian, which isn't the Phoenician. And all those are the same category, partial mergers and influences. At no point do the people known in local language as Judahites lose the right to be called that, and at no point does a separate people arise who are not born into or naturalized into the Judahites but who take up the name that is not theirs. (Unless you count a handful of Gentiles in Smyrna and Philadelphia, who may have included Onkelos; but even he later converted to Judaism.) None of the theorists that have advanced any of those hypotheses have a whit of data about there being some other people than the Jews.
Another thing that shuts them up is that the Khazar hypothesis was invented by Jews, first to claim the Khazar power as their own (Judah Halevi, Abraham ibn Daud) and later to minimalize their Jewish heritage to get exemptions from persecution (Isaac Levinsohn, Abraham Harkavi, Abraham Firkovitz). Now it's being thrown back at Jews to claim they all lose all heritage, which is as I say self-destructive of the accusers: Gentiles are using a Jewish-invented pilpul while denouncing the Jews and not realizing that the same logic denounces themselves too just as the Jews are accused of desiring.
You switch to "Hebrews", and nowadays we think of Hebrews as the same as Jews, but Abram was a Hebrew and that meant son of Eber, and there were many other (Semitic) Hebrews, which obtained the name Habiru and the title Hyksos. So tacking to "Hebrews" doesn't help. Those in Babylon had come from the kingdom of Judea and were Judeans (for which Jews is simply a short form first attested in French ca. 1000 AD where "Ju" elided "Judaeus").
You give no evidence that Jews are identified with Tyrians and Sidonians (who used those city-based names rather than tribe-based names). These peoples are kept distinct by basically everyone. You seem to accept Judges 3 about there being Canaanites but you don't seem to be comfortable with the implication that the Israelites were there distinguished from them, or that Judahites were then a key tribe of Israelites (Judg. 1:1-20).
No, it doesn't sound familiar for there to be Carthaginian converts after their utter defeat by Rome in 146 BC because there was no Carthage anymore. If you'd said Punic converts, which is what the remaining people were called, I wouldn't call it out as an obvious invention, but I still see no evidence that Punic people converted to Second Temple Judaism at large.
So you're not carrying the water. To the idea "Jews descend from Phoenicians" I answered Jews descend from Judah (b. 1793 BC) and you didn't respond. To the idea "Jews aren't Israelite" I answered Judah's father was Israel and you didn't respond. To the idea "Jerusalem was in Ebla tablets 3000 BC" I answered there's no evidence of Jerusalem before 1900 BC nor of Ebla tablets before 2500 BC and you didn't respond. Now you throw in some Khazar hypothesis i.e. "Jews aren't Ioudaios", where I've answered that nobody who says that has put forward any proof that modern Jews aren't the same people; and you say "Jews descend from Tyrians and Sidonians", but I answer that Tyre and Sidon were on the boundaries of Asher, not Judah (Josh. 19:28-29), and were never taken by Asher (Judg. 1:31). Do you have any claims that aren't batting .000?
The Great Impersonation: How the Anti-Christ has Deceived the Whole World - Pastor Eli James (2013) https://archive.org/details/the-great-impersonation-how-the-anti-christ-has-deceived-the-whole-world-by-eli-/mode/1up
Tartaria/Khazaria - Miles Mathis (2020) https://mileswmathis.com/tartar.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoyZt88jU7s
Beware of all the seething Cainite/Kenite/Canaanite/Edomite/Amalekite snakes that are lurking in the grass!
If they're Cainites, they're not Jews (Judahites) then.
If they're Jews (Judahites), they're not Cainites then.
The fact that Judahites are doing Cainite things, and things from the other races you mention, doesn't make them Cainite by descent.
If Americans can say Jews are not Jews, then Jews can say Americans are not Americans. Perhaps the Jews are seeding us with the idea of erasing their heritage so that they can be justified in erasing ours? We wouldn't want to contribute to that, would we?
Cainites/Kenites/Canaanites/Phoenicians/Edomites are Ba'als chosen canniBALs.
Funny mix of pretended and real etymologies, Eustace. "Cannibal" is a version of the 16th-century Carib [or Kali'na] people's name for themselves, so it's a Native American word. Many spellings and languages are attested and may have originally been "karipona". We could argue that Natives came from Asians who would have known of Hamite Canaan and of baalim under the simple meaning of human lords, but such a literalist theory would require backup and would need to explain how Kna'an and Ba'al were combined and became karipona* in Guiana, which has no sense. [If we were to supply a Semitic root arbitrarily for the Guianan, we might propose qari'-panah*, which can be translated "chosen head", which would one-up Eustace quite a bit in terms of historical fit.] The fact, that Nimrod, whom I've tracked to be the same as Naram-Sin, engaged rituals that probably included cannibalism, is no evidence that it was so named at that time.
I'm seeing no real evidence for the "seventy deities" besides a late strained Jewish interpretation of Deut. 32:8, which is not about El but about Elyon (since we're making distinctions). The deities have no names unless the Table of Nations starting with Shem, Ham, and Japheth is taken as their names.
Oh, that's fun and I should know it if true. Yes, it looks like Jorg Lanz published Ostara magazine about this god, that Hitler read it in his youth, and that Lanz is on my broad list of contributors to Nazi philosophy; but calling this connection "the patron god" ("the") presses the issue too far. Ostara is indeed merged with Ashtoreth in European convergent etymology, meaning that it had the ordinary positive connotations of east, Austria, (sun) rising, and merged those inseparably with the Semitic connotations of Ashtoreth, Asherah poles, and some say Stur (Saturn), a process long before 1000 AD.
"Purple" does not appear to be the original meaning of the "phoenix" words, but a derivative based on association with the extant Canaanite people. The original may be Egyptian "fnhw", "carpenters", found at Karnak; or, in Linear B, "ponikijo", "palm".
Other statements are accurate or not worth disputing.
Modern Jews are Jews. Exactly same Jews who immigrate into Palestine from Egypt. God's attempt to bring this disgusting tribe to senses ended when Jews killed Jesus. After that, Jews lost any possible right to live in Palestine and run like cockroaches around all world.
Khazarian Kaganate was multiethnic entity, whith Jewish rulers and numerous different tribes under their control. There is no such ethnic thing as "Khasarian".
Some propagandists trying to somehow save Jewish image inventing some non-existing "Khasarians", who are supposedly not "Real Jews", to somehow separate all the shit Jews do from some fictional "Real Jews". However, it was exactly "Real Jews" who demanded Jesus death.
"Tartaria" is an invention of lazy western cartographers, who know shit about lands behind Don and Volga, but heard that there live Tatars. Being arrogant and ignorant, they don't even bother to find out how things are in reality. They misspelled "Tataria" as "Tartaria" because that way it associated with "Tartar" (Ancient Greek for "hell") and so their maps could be sold easier with a misterious and scary "Tartaria" on them.
Actual Tataria is a Tatar region in Russia, with capital of Kazan. It have two state languages - Russian and Tatar and inhabited with Orthodox Christian Russians and Muslim Tatars living together there for more than half a millenia.
Your stupid attempts to divert attention from Jews to some fictional "Khazars" or whatever will fail. Jews are Jews. They was Jews from the very beginning, and they are Jews now. Through all history Jews was disgusting nomad tribe that was so disgusting that even God Himself have to interfere in attempts to bring this tribe to senses. But all that attempts failed. Only very few men and women from that tribe through all the history decided to abandon tribe satanism an try to become better. Overhelming majority of Jews always choose to praise Satan and do disgusting shit using their free will. Moders Jews are same. Exact descendants of those who buld an idol while Moses tried to talk with God, and those who chanted "His blood on us and our descendats" demanding to execute Jesus Christ. There is no any other "Good Jews" or "Real Jews" who are not like that.
If you want an example of "Good Jews" - take a look at Apostole Jacob, Bobby Fisher or Eduard Khodos. May be some few more Jews who truly get that Jews have to abandon their satanic religion and try to repent before humanity for all their crimes.
Jews came from the same place the Phoenicians came from, area called Canaan, Phoenicia, or Jerusalem. That's right, the original inhabitants of Jerusalem were Phoenician Canaanites. Jerusalem was originally a village built on a hill, and called Urushalim.
The name "Urushalim is first found on Egyptian statues, approx 2500 BC. "Urushalim", in fact is a word of Canaanite derivation, the prefix "uru", meaning "founded by", and the suffix "salem" or "Shalem," Phoenician Canaanite god of dusk. This evidence is reinforced by archaeology and by tablets found in Elba, Syria, dating back to 3000 B.C., on which the god Shalem being venerated in a city called Uruksalem is mentioned. The old name of the city Urushalim figures also in the Egyptian texts called Texts of Proscription of XII dynasty 'ws'mm pronounced in Akkadian language Urushalim city of god.
The Jews agree that Jerusalem was not originally their city but was Canaanite until conquered in the late 11th century BC. This gives no evidence that Jews and Phoenicians were the same people.
The third-mill citations you give don't pan out as Jerusalem doesn't seem to go back before the 19th century BC. It's entirely possible there exists one older "Egyptian statue" and/or "[Ebla] tablet" but they don't come up and there are no Ebla tablets before ca. 2500 BC. Instead, I see I don't even have to ask for your source because you plagiarized Phoenicia.org, written by Salim Khalaf without further sourcing. So let's drop the partisan rhetoric and stick to elite research, thanks.
And you should know, because you research Wikipedia. LOL
That's some strong wording you use... that's right, Phoenicia.org is the correct source. Next time I'll remember and mention it as quotation, and reference it as a source, if it bothers you so much. I think what bothers you even more is that I state your beloved Jews are not the true Israelites. That's why you're using the word "plagiarized", I must have struck a sensitive spot.
And Salim Khalaf probably got it (you see I don't use the word plagiarized) from Constantin Tsutras ORDM. Here is the quote "The original inhabitants of Jerusalem were Phoenician Canaanites. Jerusalem was originally a village built on a hill. The name "Urushalim is first found on Egyptian statues, circa 2500 B.C. "Urushalim", and in fact is a word of Canaanite derivation; the prefix "uru", meaning "founded by", and the suffix "salem" or "Shalem," Phoenician Canaanite "GOD OF DUSK.".
And if you want to read a wonderful book written by Constantin Tsutras, called "Ancient Wisdom & Divine Mysteries: The Hidden Meaning of Ancient Scriptures and Allegories", it's available for sale at Amazon.
The word "plagiarized" is common for use without edit or attribution; now that you've apologized I'll drop the charge. Yes, I do use Wikipedia to supplement my memory, and when fitting I quote them rather than summarize them. My memory was that Ebla was postdiluvian and so there wouldn't be any tablets before ca. 2500 BC for that reason either, but the fact that Wikipedia agrees isn't a problem.
However, you don't add any data about alleged Egyptian statues or Ebla tablets. But thank you for pointing out that Constantin Tsutras and Salim Khalaf say exactly the same thing. Ordinarily I'd say that one plagiarized from the other because neither give dates or sources, but since I don't know which I'll give them both a pass.
You seem to attribute some relationship between me and Jews other than the fact that I do worship one Jew, Jesus Christ. As a Christian, I believe the whole Bible is accurate and Judah (b. 1793 BC) is the son of Israel, making all Jews Israelites. I know there are recent skeptics disagreeing but I've investigated all their claims and found them valueless.
I see no evidence that Tsutras's book is worth investing in as I'm not interested in "esoteric interpretations beyond the literal and historical accepted meanings" when the literal historical isn't accepted in the first place. He seems to be a Noachite who thinks he's transcended Christianity.
The point is that Jerusalem being originally a Canaanite city, just as the Bible states, is no evidence that Jews aren't Israelites, an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence. The default evidence of the Bible stands unchallenged. If you want free reading, consider that the majority of the Ten Plagues are historically attested in the year 1540-1539, exactly the year the Biblical chronology points to.
Attribute: Khazaria, Tartary
Location: Between the Black and Caspian Seas, Northern and Central Asia
Capital: Atil, Various
Religion: Judaism, Various
Rulers: Khagans, Khans
Trade: Thriving trade routes, Important trade hub
Scythians, Tartarians and Khazarians. A Lost History of High Culture. Tartarian Peace; Part 1 https://rumble.com/v2s6j4m-scythians-tartarians-and-khazarians.-a-lost-history-of-high-culture.-tartar.html
Tartaria the Fall of Khazaria https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge12f3vljSo
The Göktürk Khaganate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kt%C3%BCrks
Nobility Bloodlines & Khazars - Alan Watt https://rumble.com/v6w8ja0-nobility-bloodlines-khazars-the-thirteenth-tribe-alan-watt.html
Khazaria != Tartaria
Khazarian Kaganate:
Tataria (mistankingly named Tartaria in some western maps):
Tataria and Khazarian Kaganate have no any intersections, neither in space nor in time, nor in social, cultural, and any other spheres.
Western sources for some "unknown" ( :) ) reasons mix "Khagan" and "Khan", while it is completely different words. "Khagan" is actually Kagan, Hebrew word. "Khan" is actually Han, without K, of Middle Asia origin, because asians at the time don't have sound K in their languages. So, it is Kaganate and Hanate, or how it sound in Russian "Kaganat" and "Hanstvo". Totally different things, in political, economical and other ways. Attempts to pose them as same thing is as stupid, as trying to equalize English phrase "peace deal" with Russian word "pizdyozh" (slur for "blatant lie"). Well, current Western elite actually trying to do everything to achieve exactly that. :)
There is known only two Kaganates existed - Khazarian Kaganate and Uighur Kaganate. Both had Jewish rulers and population of different religion and etnicity. Both was destroyed by neighbours because it was hostile states living on foray and racket of neighbours. Everything else - Hanstvo (Hanate) - etnic states where rulers and population was of same religion and etnicity. Not all Hanates was agressive, some existed up to 19 century without much tensions with neighbours.
This insolent cheating with transliteration Kagan (like in pure Jewish surnames Kagan, Kogan, Cohen) -> Khagan and Han -> Khan in Western sources seem to be used intentionally to hide unplesant truth about nature of historic entities where Jews was lucky to usurp power in their hands and turned that entities into hostile foraying and racketeering shitholes. Not much left from this Kaganates, because Jews can't create and build, only rob and destroy. On the other side, Hanates left amaising culture and architecture artifacts, that still are the jewels of human achevements.
To hide that unpleasant for Jews thruth western "historians" turned to that cheating. Fortunately, Western version of history is not the only one, so difference between Kaganates and Hanates can't be hidden in playing with letters.
Jews are Jews. Every time they usurp power over some people, there is destruction, robbery and all shit possible. Look at Ukraine - it is typical 100% Kaganate, Where Jewish elite rob and opress non-Jewish local people and trying to racketeer everyone around. USA is also typical Kaganate where Jewish top play with population of different ethniicity extracting weath from them and all other world. Not much different from Khazarian Kaganate, they just use modern tools, not plain foray and racket, but the essence is exactly same.
No links to pedovikia or to some shabbesgoy "historian" will change that. Kaganate is a kind of state where Jewish Kagans usurp power over local goyim population and extort everything they could from population of Kaganate (including using it as manpower to rob other states) and from countries around. USA is typical Kaganate now, where mainly AngloSaxon population ruled by Jewish elite. Same Jews as in Bible. Exactly same.
And don't try to use just Khazaria to name Khazarian Kaganate. The keyword here is Kaganate - system where arrived Jews rule over local non-Jewish population.
Eli James is a kike grifter
Neither the Jews’s religion nor their DNA traces back to the OT Israelites, but rather to the Phoenicians/Carthaginians. Genetically and historically, these Phoenicians/Carthaginians are the descendants of the Canaanites that the Hebrews displaced and drove north from the area of Jerusalem.
In fact the Phoenicians/Carthaginians were Israelites’ enemies.
Source?
What I see is that Phoenicia (including Carthage) had similar ancestry in Canaan to the Israelites' through Abraham, but that would make them brother nations and not descendants. One hint is that Phoenicians have some Jewish heritage rather than the other way around.
The source is H. G. Wells and later Ron Unz (inspired by Wells), here is the article titled "American Pravda: Prof. John Beaty and the True Origin of the Jews".
John Beaty's book "The Iron Curtain Over America" is available at Amazon.
First of all the spiritual lineage of the Jews traces back to ancient Babylon. In Babylon, the Hebrew elites discovered pagan mysticism and a religion in which the priestly and prophetic classes were mouthpieces for the state and its ruling classes. That was one major source of spiritual corruption that would form the strain that became Talmudic Judaism. But there was another, one directly tied to the Jews’ true genetic lineage.
In terms of their roots, they traced back to the Phoenician cities of Tyre and Sidon just north of today's fake state of Israel. Genetically and historically, those Phoenicians/Carthaginians are the descendants of the Canaanites that the Hebrews displaced and drove north. In Judges 3:1-4 the Canaanites were not fully annihilated but permitted to survive so that they could serve to test future Israelites in battle... both militarily and spiritually.
The already corrupted Hebrews followed the sea trade routes, making converts of the Carthaginians, their Semitic cousins, who were so devastated by their utter defeat by Rome that they were ready to hear their backwater cousins’ prophesies about a coming messiah who would make their nation great again. Sounds familiar?
Well, Wells and Beaty get minor roles in the development of the Khazar hypothesis, but every time that's come up I've pointed out that the Khazars were circumcised and naturalized, and then intermarried with other Jews, giving the Jewish people every right to continue the name of Jew because it was the merger of two peoples instead of two completely distinct lines. I silence people by saying that if Americans can tell Jews they're not Jews, then that allows Jews to claim the same right to say Americans aren't Americans (as immigration proponents like Schumer are doing).
But the Khazar hypothesis isn't the Edomite, which isn't the Babylonian, which isn't the Phoenician. And all those are the same category, partial mergers and influences. At no point do the people known in local language as Judahites lose the right to be called that, and at no point does a separate people arise who are not born into or naturalized into the Judahites but who take up the name that is not theirs. (Unless you count a handful of Gentiles in Smyrna and Philadelphia, who may have included Onkelos; but even he later converted to Judaism.) None of the theorists that have advanced any of those hypotheses have a whit of data about there being some other people than the Jews.
Another thing that shuts them up is that the Khazar hypothesis was invented by Jews, first to claim the Khazar power as their own (Judah Halevi, Abraham ibn Daud) and later to minimalize their Jewish heritage to get exemptions from persecution (Isaac Levinsohn, Abraham Harkavi, Abraham Firkovitz). Now it's being thrown back at Jews to claim they all lose all heritage, which is as I say self-destructive of the accusers: Gentiles are using a Jewish-invented pilpul while denouncing the Jews and not realizing that the same logic denounces themselves too just as the Jews are accused of desiring.
You switch to "Hebrews", and nowadays we think of Hebrews as the same as Jews, but Abram was a Hebrew and that meant son of Eber, and there were many other (Semitic) Hebrews, which obtained the name Habiru and the title Hyksos. So tacking to "Hebrews" doesn't help. Those in Babylon had come from the kingdom of Judea and were Judeans (for which Jews is simply a short form first attested in French ca. 1000 AD where "Ju" elided "Judaeus").
You give no evidence that Jews are identified with Tyrians and Sidonians (who used those city-based names rather than tribe-based names). These peoples are kept distinct by basically everyone. You seem to accept Judges 3 about there being Canaanites but you don't seem to be comfortable with the implication that the Israelites were there distinguished from them, or that Judahites were then a key tribe of Israelites (Judg. 1:1-20).
No, it doesn't sound familiar for there to be Carthaginian converts after their utter defeat by Rome in 146 BC because there was no Carthage anymore. If you'd said Punic converts, which is what the remaining people were called, I wouldn't call it out as an obvious invention, but I still see no evidence that Punic people converted to Second Temple Judaism at large.
So you're not carrying the water. To the idea "Jews descend from Phoenicians" I answered Jews descend from Judah (b. 1793 BC) and you didn't respond. To the idea "Jews aren't Israelite" I answered Judah's father was Israel and you didn't respond. To the idea "Jerusalem was in Ebla tablets 3000 BC" I answered there's no evidence of Jerusalem before 1900 BC nor of Ebla tablets before 2500 BC and you didn't respond. Now you throw in some Khazar hypothesis i.e. "Jews aren't Ioudaios", where I've answered that nobody who says that has put forward any proof that modern Jews aren't the same people; and you say "Jews descend from Tyrians and Sidonians", but I answer that Tyre and Sidon were on the boundaries of Asher, not Judah (Josh. 19:28-29), and were never taken by Asher (Judg. 1:31). Do you have any claims that aren't batting .000?