In the same way that people ourselves are a compromise of efficiency, a humanoid robot is a similar compromise. If a self-contained platform can be made to do multiple tasks otherwise suited to individual robots, you save on the construction and maintenance costs of the individual robots. A person’s home doesn’t have room for a cooking arm in the ceiling of the kitchen, a laundry arm in the ceiling of the basement, a housekeeper arm sliding around every single room to do the cleaning… but it does have room in a closet for a humanoid robot to stand while plugged in.
I’m totally fine with the uncanny valley being extremely hard to overcome. I don’t want robots hiding out as real people in real life like they do on the Internet. Forget skin coatings; just give me robot robots.
It is not a compromise, it is a wrong, completely irrational design purely for the sake of looking like human.
If a self-contained platform can be made to do multiple tasks
it will not resemble human body at all.
but it does have room in a closet for a humanoid robot to stand while plugged in.
The same closet could be easily used for something non-humanoid too.
I understand that many used to modern clown world workflows when imbecile faggots, called "designers" dictate to engineers how appliances should look like and how they should be composed. This always end in inferior reliability, quality, useability and efficiency. Good design is always dictated by engineers based on the physiscs and nature of components used, not by delusions of designers.
This idiotic idea of humanoid robots comes purely from humanitarian dreams of fiction writers and ignorant delusions of so called designers who for some reasons think they have any right to dictate how things should look. This idea have no any grounds in actual engineering and laws of physics.
From the engineering point of view, something like R2D2 with multiple tentacles around top dome will be order of magnitude more sane and efficient as universal robot than any humanoid form.
Universal robot absolutely doesn't have to copy human movements to do any human job. If you look at actual industrial robots, they never do that, because electromechanics have different degrees of freedom and additional very effective ability to rotate without limitations unlike anything alive. Nature didn't have a wheel or bearing, but electromechanics on the opposite is mostly build around rotation. That only difference is already shift any rational robot design from anything like humanoid form. And there are much more fundamental differences between living beings and electromechanic.
To make human form more or less rational for building universal robot, you have to abandon electromechanics in favor of something completely different, that is more resemble processes and principles behind human body functioning.
Bipeds most efficiently move around a human-scale home.
Only those build from same parts as humans.
And I can’t take seriously anyone who claims the human hand is an “irrational design.”
They are pretty rational. if made from bones, muscles, sinews and all that stuff. But when you have motors, gears and bearings, or pneumatics and hoses they become a blunder.
And he’ll use his rocket motors to climb stairs, right?
He will use some of tentacles for that.
To keep human-like robot balanced climbing on stairs, you will have to spend enormous amount of energy, constantly doing heavy calculations and powering dozens of motors simultaneously just to keep this heavy mechanism in balance on two legs, and only that tast will eat noticeably more energy than needed for lifting weight to the height of stairs. If robot have to carry something, things get even worse.
With several pneumatic/hydraulic tentacles you need to operate only few valves (inside main body) and do a simple math to keep robot always standing on 3 tentacles. Great power efficiency, because you spend pump power only for lifting a weight up, no need for any balancing losses and so on. Load could be carried on another 3 tentacles rised above top dome without any need for balance.
That's pretty common mistake, when somebody pay more attention to some not important things, like exterior, forgetting to think about what have to be really done to make this exterior working.
When you start from what you have, you get much better results, despite exterior is not coincide with somebody dreams.
I think this obsession with humanoid robots, comes from the dirty dream of ignorant humanitarians to feel themselves gods, creating devices by their likeness and rule above them. And they just forgot or too arrogant to find out what "likeness" real God actually meant.
In the same way that people ourselves are a compromise of efficiency, a humanoid robot is a similar compromise. If a self-contained platform can be made to do multiple tasks otherwise suited to individual robots, you save on the construction and maintenance costs of the individual robots. A person’s home doesn’t have room for a cooking arm in the ceiling of the kitchen, a laundry arm in the ceiling of the basement, a housekeeper arm sliding around every single room to do the cleaning… but it does have room in a closet for a humanoid robot to stand while plugged in.
I’m totally fine with the uncanny valley being extremely hard to overcome. I don’t want robots hiding out as real people in real life like they do on the Internet. Forget skin coatings; just give me robot robots.
It is not a compromise, it is a wrong, completely irrational design purely for the sake of looking like human.
it will not resemble human body at all.
The same closet could be easily used for something non-humanoid too.
I understand that many used to modern clown world workflows when imbecile faggots, called "designers" dictate to engineers how appliances should look like and how they should be composed. This always end in inferior reliability, quality, useability and efficiency. Good design is always dictated by engineers based on the physiscs and nature of components used, not by delusions of designers.
This idiotic idea of humanoid robots comes purely from humanitarian dreams of fiction writers and ignorant delusions of so called designers who for some reasons think they have any right to dictate how things should look. This idea have no any grounds in actual engineering and laws of physics.
From the engineering point of view, something like R2D2 with multiple tentacles around top dome will be order of magnitude more sane and efficient as universal robot than any humanoid form.
Universal robot absolutely doesn't have to copy human movements to do any human job. If you look at actual industrial robots, they never do that, because electromechanics have different degrees of freedom and additional very effective ability to rotate without limitations unlike anything alive. Nature didn't have a wheel or bearing, but electromechanics on the opposite is mostly build around rotation. That only difference is already shift any rational robot design from anything like humanoid form. And there are much more fundamental differences between living beings and electromechanic.
To make human form more or less rational for building universal robot, you have to abandon electromechanics in favor of something completely different, that is more resemble processes and principles behind human body functioning.
Bipeds most efficiently move around a human-scale home. And I can’t take seriously anyone who claims the human hand is an “irrational design.”
So “replace humanity itself” then, huh? Because nature and physics didn’t create us?
And he’ll use his rocket motors to climb stairs, right?
Only those build from same parts as humans.
They are pretty rational. if made from bones, muscles, sinews and all that stuff. But when you have motors, gears and bearings, or pneumatics and hoses they become a blunder.
He will use some of tentacles for that.
To keep human-like robot balanced climbing on stairs, you will have to spend enormous amount of energy, constantly doing heavy calculations and powering dozens of motors simultaneously just to keep this heavy mechanism in balance on two legs, and only that tast will eat noticeably more energy than needed for lifting weight to the height of stairs. If robot have to carry something, things get even worse.
With several pneumatic/hydraulic tentacles you need to operate only few valves (inside main body) and do a simple math to keep robot always standing on 3 tentacles. Great power efficiency, because you spend pump power only for lifting a weight up, no need for any balancing losses and so on. Load could be carried on another 3 tentacles rised above top dome without any need for balance.
That's pretty common mistake, when somebody pay more attention to some not important things, like exterior, forgetting to think about what have to be really done to make this exterior working.
When you start from what you have, you get much better results, despite exterior is not coincide with somebody dreams.
I think this obsession with humanoid robots, comes from the dirty dream of ignorant humanitarians to feel themselves gods, creating devices by their likeness and rule above them. And they just forgot or too arrogant to find out what "likeness" real God actually meant.
I now support tentacular aberration robot maids.