TALLESTSKIL You wrote a novel but the whole argument collapses the moment the actual words in the New Testament are read.
First. The word “Jew” was not invented a few centuries ago like you claimed. The New Testament itself uses the Greek word Ἰουδαῖος (Ioudaios). That word existed in the first century and refers to the Jewish people or Judeans. So the idea that translators invented the word recently to create confusion is simply false.
Second. Your claim that believing in the Messiah erases Jewish identity is destroyed by the apostle Paul the himself.
Romans 11:1 (Amplified Bible)
“I say then, has God rejected and disowned His people? Certainly not! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.”
Notice the tense. Paul does not say “I used to be an Israelite.” He says I am. The Greek word is Ἰσραηλίτης (Israēlitēs), meaning a member of Israel. Paul believed Yeshua is the Messiah and still identified as an Israelite. That alone destroys the definition you are trying to force.
Third. Your claim that Galilee was only the tribe of Benjamin is simply made up. By the first century Galilee had multiple Israelite populations and the New Testament repeatedly refers to its inhabitants as Jews.
And since you seem bothered by the name I use, let’s address that directly. The name given to the Messiah was יֵשׁוּעַ (Yeshua).
Look in Matthew 1:21 (Amplified Bible)
“She will give birth to a Son, and you shall name Him YESHUA [The LORD is salvation], for He will save His people from their sins.”
The Greek New Testament records the name as Ἰησοῦς (Iēsous) because the text was written in Greek. The English form “Jesus” came later through Greek and Latin. Using Yeshua is simply using the Hebrew name He was actually given. GOD gave Him that name sir.
And where did Yeshua grow up? John 1:45–46 (Amplified Bible) “Philip found Nathanael and told him, ‘We have found the One Moses wrote about in the Law, and about whom the prophets also wrote, Yeshua from Nazareth, the son of Joseph.’ Nathanael said to him, ‘Can anything good come out of Nazareth?’”
Nazareth is in Galilee. So the Messiah Himself grew up in the very region you are trying to separate from Jews.
You also quoted several passages condemning unbelief among some Jews in the first century. No one denies that happened. Scripture says plainly that some rejected the Messiah.
But the same apostle also says this.
Romans 11:28–29 (Amplified Bible)
“From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake; but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are still beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.”
The Greek word for irrevocable is ἀμεταμέλητα (ametamelēta). It means not taken back. So the picture Paul gives is simple. Some branches were broken off because of unbelief. Gentiles were grafted in. The root is still Israel. God has not rejected His people. Period.
You told me to read the Bible.
That is exactly why your “Hebrews vs Jews” theory falls apart the moment the text is actually read.
but the whole argument collapses the moment the actual words in the New Testament are read.
Thanks; I directly quoted the New Testament. You have nothing.
The word “Jew” was not invented a few centuries ago
It was, yeah.
The New Testament itself uses the Greek word Ἰουδαῖος (Ioudaios).
So… not jew. Judean. A different word. Got it.
refers to the Jewish people or Judeans.
No, these are separate people.
Your claim that believing in the Messiah erases Jewish identity is destroyed by the apostle Paul the himself.
Nope, Christ himself says otherwise.
has God rejected and disowned His people
Repeating the same line that was already disproven is not going to help you, dipshit.
Paul believed Yeshua is the Messiah
No, he didn’t. He knew Jesus Christ was the messiah.
By the first century… …the New Testament repeatedly refers to its inhabitants as Jews.
Nope.
The Greek New Testament records the name as Ἰησοῦς (Iēsous) because the text was written in Greek.
Oh, neat, so you were wrong. Got it.
Using Yeshua is simply using the Hebrew name
The name in which the New Testament wasn’t written, you mean? You don’t change your name for different languages. That’s not how names work.
And where did Yeshua grow up?
I don’t care. But Jesus grew up in the Levant, which was owned by the Roman Empire at the time and had been previously Hellenized, so He spoke Greek, Latin, ancient Hebrew (which isn’t modern day Hebrew), Aramaic…
the very region you are trying to separate from Jews.
Try again, but this time don’t do exactly what I said you are doing.
No one denies that happened.
Strange that you’ve been.
From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake
Oh, enemies of the gospel, huh? Interesting. We should definitely worship them and do whatever they say, then, right?
but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are still beloved for the sake of the fathers.
Just like everyone else. What’s your point.
It means not taken back.
If they want to accept Christ, He will accept them. But they don’t. They deny Him. Thus they’re damned. Get it through your jewish head.
Some branches were broken off because of unbelief.
The Pharisees, yeah.
The root is still Israel.
Who are not all of Israel.
God has not rejected His people.
Repeating things no one questioned is a sign of mental illness.
You told me to read the Bible.
You still haven’t, apparently.
That is exactly why your “Hebrews vs Jews” theory falls apart the moment the text is actually read.
Nah, the “theory” comes directly from the text and I directly quoted the parts of the Bible that uphold it.
Jews are not Judeans are not Christians. Your conflation is powerless.
TALLESTSKIL You wrote a novel but the whole argument collapses the moment the actual words in the New Testament are read.
First. The word “Jew” was not invented a few centuries ago like you claimed. The New Testament itself uses the Greek word Ἰουδαῖος (Ioudaios). That word existed in the first century and refers to the Jewish people or Judeans. So the idea that translators invented the word recently to create confusion is simply false.
Second. Your claim that believing in the Messiah erases Jewish identity is destroyed by the apostle Paul the himself.
Romans 11:1 (Amplified Bible) “I say then, has God rejected and disowned His people? Certainly not! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.”
Notice the tense. Paul does not say “I used to be an Israelite.” He says I am. The Greek word is Ἰσραηλίτης (Israēlitēs), meaning a member of Israel. Paul believed Yeshua is the Messiah and still identified as an Israelite. That alone destroys the definition you are trying to force.
Third. Your claim that Galilee was only the tribe of Benjamin is simply made up. By the first century Galilee had multiple Israelite populations and the New Testament repeatedly refers to its inhabitants as Jews.
And since you seem bothered by the name I use, let’s address that directly. The name given to the Messiah was יֵשׁוּעַ (Yeshua).
Look in Matthew 1:21 (Amplified Bible) “She will give birth to a Son, and you shall name Him YESHUA [The LORD is salvation], for He will save His people from their sins.”
The Greek New Testament records the name as Ἰησοῦς (Iēsous) because the text was written in Greek. The English form “Jesus” came later through Greek and Latin. Using Yeshua is simply using the Hebrew name He was actually given. GOD gave Him that name sir.
And where did Yeshua grow up? John 1:45–46 (Amplified Bible) “Philip found Nathanael and told him, ‘We have found the One Moses wrote about in the Law, and about whom the prophets also wrote, Yeshua from Nazareth, the son of Joseph.’ Nathanael said to him, ‘Can anything good come out of Nazareth?’”
Nazareth is in Galilee. So the Messiah Himself grew up in the very region you are trying to separate from Jews.
You also quoted several passages condemning unbelief among some Jews in the first century. No one denies that happened. Scripture says plainly that some rejected the Messiah.
But the same apostle also says this.
Romans 11:28–29 (Amplified Bible) “From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake; but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are still beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.”
The Greek word for irrevocable is ἀμεταμέλητα (ametamelēta). It means not taken back. So the picture Paul gives is simple. Some branches were broken off because of unbelief. Gentiles were grafted in. The root is still Israel. God has not rejected His people. Period.
You told me to read the Bible.
That is exactly why your “Hebrews vs Jews” theory falls apart the moment the text is actually read.
Cry about it.
Thanks; I directly quoted the New Testament. You have nothing.
It was, yeah.
So… not jew. Judean. A different word. Got it.
No, these are separate people.
Nope, Christ himself says otherwise.
Repeating the same line that was already disproven is not going to help you, dipshit.
No, he didn’t. He knew Jesus Christ was the messiah.
Nope.
Oh, neat, so you were wrong. Got it.
The name in which the New Testament wasn’t written, you mean? You don’t change your name for different languages. That’s not how names work.
I don’t care. But Jesus grew up in the Levant, which was owned by the Roman Empire at the time and had been previously Hellenized, so He spoke Greek, Latin, ancient Hebrew (which isn’t modern day Hebrew), Aramaic…
Try again, but this time don’t do exactly what I said you are doing.
Strange that you’ve been.
Oh, enemies of the gospel, huh? Interesting. We should definitely worship them and do whatever they say, then, right?
Just like everyone else. What’s your point.
If they want to accept Christ, He will accept them. But they don’t. They deny Him. Thus they’re damned. Get it through your jewish head.
The Pharisees, yeah.
Who are not all of Israel.
Repeating things no one questioned is a sign of mental illness.
You still haven’t, apparently.
Nah, the “theory” comes directly from the text and I directly quoted the parts of the Bible that uphold it.
Jews are not Judeans are not Christians. Your conflation is powerless.