Thank you for being so forthright! Wouldn't you think the highest intelligence would use very punctuated demonstrations of his power and would be able to appear in any form anytime he wished, once people recognize that the form is not the whole being?
Did you want to look at specific Scriptures Jesus upheld to see if they actually say all the nations that don't serve Israel would be utterly wasted? Seems like the literalist Christians are just fine with them, as if they might not say what you think. I mean, your idea that he called Gentiles dogs and swine as if racial seems just as invalid as others' idea that he called Jews vipers and foxes as if racial. So you may need to work with the text a bit to see if we read texts the same way.
Wouldn't you think the highest intelligence would use very punctuated demonstrations of his power and would be able to appear in any form anytime he wished, once people recognize that the form is not the whole being?>
No, I don’t believe the higher power is not anthropomorphic in any way and I don’t believe it is personal at all. I don’t believe it is interactive in the sense that it would reach out to humans if you know what I mean. I believe it to be more like something humans have to raise themselves up to or find within. The connection with it is strictly one way - humans to it, not it to humans.
Did you want to look at specific Scriptures Jesus upheld to see if they actually say all the nations that don't serve Israel would be utterly wasted? Seems like the literalist Christians are just fine with them, as if they might not say what you think. I mean, your idea that he called Gentiles dogs and swine as if racial seems just as invalid as others' idea that he called Jews vipers and foxes as if racial. So you may need to work with the text a bit to see if we read texts the same way.>
Jesus upheld ALL of the scriptures. Where He deviated from them he mostly only done so to make them even more restrictive or weakening than they previously were, such as where he declared that adultery is committed if a man even so much as looks at a woman lustfully, or where he encouraged his audience (Jews by the way) to submit themselves to enemies and even to love them.
If we pretend that Jesus was real for a moment then nothing that he said should remotely lead you to believe that he cares for you if you are a non-Jew. The Great Commission is acknowledged to be a centuries later addition to the gospels. Jesus was clear and explicit that he was only there for the Israelites and instructed his disciples to stay away from the gentiles. In the sermon on the Mount he used gentiles as the example to his Jewish audience of what NOT to be like. Jesus did say that it is not appropriate to take the children’s (Jews) bread and cast it to the dogs (gentiles). Only deigning to the woman when she acknowledged her status as a comparative dog.
When Jesus spoke against the Pharisees and Sadducees, this was an intra-Jewish critique, not a critique of Jews at large - because the Jews were his sole interest.
It’s a similar misunderstanding as that which occurs in the book of revelation whereby a lot of people misinterpret the passages about Jews who say they are Jews but are not, and Jews who are Jews in name only, as being about Jews at large. Whereas it is nothing of the sort - it is rebuking only ‘fake’ Jews ie Christian’s
Where did personality come from, from nothing or from the Higher Power? If it came from nothing, wouldn't that make us superior to the Higher Power because we have something that it doesn't have?
Why did Jesus say that he gives his life for the world, that God so loves the world that he gave, etc.? Why did Jesus say he had other sheep to bring into one fold? Why did he say God was building a house of prayer for all nations? Why did Simeon repeat the prophecy that Jesus would be a light to the Gentiles?
Thank you for at least getting Rev. 2:9, 3:9 relatively correct.
Nope, because personality is what happens when you are fragmented from the whole and identify with your imprisoned spirit or ego. The source is beyond those things and it’s not bound in a temporal body like we think we are. And therefore it’s not amenable to anthropomorphisation.
Why did Jesus say he had other sheep to bring into this fold? You interpret that to mean gentiles but if you want to remain consistent with Jesus message throughout his mission then this is clearly a reference to the ‘lost sheep of the house of Israel’ which Jesus repeatedly stated that he only came for. And when he sent his apostles out to proselytise he instructed them clearly to stay away from the gentiles and go only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. That’s what he is referring to - those are the other sheep that he had to bring into his existing fold of followers (who were also Jewish) Unless you would have it that Jesus is a schizophrenic or liar who said one thing but meant the opposite?
Why he was building a house of prayer for all nations? Because this is the plan of conquest laid out throughout the entire Bible where the god of Israel wants to dominate the nations and destroy their gods and make them subservient to Israel. Check out the chapter in Isaiah dealing with Egypt’s blessing - just because it is called a ‘blessing’ in the Bible doesn’t make it any such thing.
In that chapter the god of Israel subverted Egypt, used the old divide and conquer tactic, sowed division, ruined agriculture, brought Egypt to its knees and then played the hero, making it swear fealty to the Israelite god. It’s subversive conquest plain and simple, and it’s called a ‘blessing’. It’s the same exact thing.
If the Jews sold you a turd by calling it a chocolate bar would it make it so? Would you eat it!
Well, Yaakov, if personality is the lesser state then you should abandon your personal account and stop pestering us with illogic.
I just rattled off a few Scriptures about God's plan for the nations (before and after Jews existed) and Jesus's work for them, there are many more. If the god of Israel wants to dominate the nations, what if he is the universal god and thus the best god of all the nations? Because if you think the real god or monad is the impersonal and nobody should have a personal god but should worship the impersonal as greater, then you're against Jesus as if he said something wrong. But people never can get around to hanging Jesus on his own words.
The real God is the one that is revealed in creation and that lets each person find out truth by a unique traversal of the one path of truth (and, when one comes across special revelation, testing that revelation by the nature of truth revealed in creation). If people don't accept the reality of what (or who) the real God is, people face natural consequences, because rejecting reality leads to negatives. Now, people might argue that, oh, that's an evil god using tactics against me, but if it's the true God then all their special pleading is for naught and all the negatives are what they deserve for their prior rejection of reality. So you wouldn't be able to tell apart the true God from a false god by saying the true God doesn't participate in allowing evils to happen to you; any devil can put bad things in your life and promise to relieve them when you worship him. So that's not how people discern that the Biblical God is the true God. Instead, they decide that based on (1) seeing the true God in creation or (2) seeing the true God defeating any other proposed god in a fair test. If the first doesn't work, you get the second, even if the other proposed god is yourself.
Thank you for being so forthright! Wouldn't you think the highest intelligence would use very punctuated demonstrations of his power and would be able to appear in any form anytime he wished, once people recognize that the form is not the whole being?
Did you want to look at specific Scriptures Jesus upheld to see if they actually say all the nations that don't serve Israel would be utterly wasted? Seems like the literalist Christians are just fine with them, as if they might not say what you think. I mean, your idea that he called Gentiles dogs and swine as if racial seems just as invalid as others' idea that he called Jews vipers and foxes as if racial. So you may need to work with the text a bit to see if we read texts the same way.
No, I don’t believe the higher power is not anthropomorphic in any way and I don’t believe it is personal at all. I don’t believe it is interactive in the sense that it would reach out to humans if you know what I mean. I believe it to be more like something humans have to raise themselves up to or find within. The connection with it is strictly one way - humans to it, not it to humans.
Jesus upheld ALL of the scriptures. Where He deviated from them he mostly only done so to make them even more restrictive or weakening than they previously were, such as where he declared that adultery is committed if a man even so much as looks at a woman lustfully, or where he encouraged his audience (Jews by the way) to submit themselves to enemies and even to love them.
If we pretend that Jesus was real for a moment then nothing that he said should remotely lead you to believe that he cares for you if you are a non-Jew. The Great Commission is acknowledged to be a centuries later addition to the gospels. Jesus was clear and explicit that he was only there for the Israelites and instructed his disciples to stay away from the gentiles. In the sermon on the Mount he used gentiles as the example to his Jewish audience of what NOT to be like. Jesus did say that it is not appropriate to take the children’s (Jews) bread and cast it to the dogs (gentiles). Only deigning to the woman when she acknowledged her status as a comparative dog. When Jesus spoke against the Pharisees and Sadducees, this was an intra-Jewish critique, not a critique of Jews at large - because the Jews were his sole interest.
It’s a similar misunderstanding as that which occurs in the book of revelation whereby a lot of people misinterpret the passages about Jews who say they are Jews but are not, and Jews who are Jews in name only, as being about Jews at large. Whereas it is nothing of the sort - it is rebuking only ‘fake’ Jews ie Christian’s
Where did personality come from, from nothing or from the Higher Power? If it came from nothing, wouldn't that make us superior to the Higher Power because we have something that it doesn't have?
Why did Jesus say that he gives his life for the world, that God so loves the world that he gave, etc.? Why did Jesus say he had other sheep to bring into one fold? Why did he say God was building a house of prayer for all nations? Why did Simeon repeat the prophecy that Jesus would be a light to the Gentiles?
Thank you for at least getting Rev. 2:9, 3:9 relatively correct.
Nope, because personality is what happens when you are fragmented from the whole and identify with your imprisoned spirit or ego. The source is beyond those things and it’s not bound in a temporal body like we think we are. And therefore it’s not amenable to anthropomorphisation.
Why did Jesus say he had other sheep to bring into this fold? You interpret that to mean gentiles but if you want to remain consistent with Jesus message throughout his mission then this is clearly a reference to the ‘lost sheep of the house of Israel’ which Jesus repeatedly stated that he only came for. And when he sent his apostles out to proselytise he instructed them clearly to stay away from the gentiles and go only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. That’s what he is referring to - those are the other sheep that he had to bring into his existing fold of followers (who were also Jewish) Unless you would have it that Jesus is a schizophrenic or liar who said one thing but meant the opposite?
Why he was building a house of prayer for all nations? Because this is the plan of conquest laid out throughout the entire Bible where the god of Israel wants to dominate the nations and destroy their gods and make them subservient to Israel. Check out the chapter in Isaiah dealing with Egypt’s blessing - just because it is called a ‘blessing’ in the Bible doesn’t make it any such thing.
In that chapter the god of Israel subverted Egypt, used the old divide and conquer tactic, sowed division, ruined agriculture, brought Egypt to its knees and then played the hero, making it swear fealty to the Israelite god. It’s subversive conquest plain and simple, and it’s called a ‘blessing’. It’s the same exact thing.
If the Jews sold you a turd by calling it a chocolate bar would it make it so? Would you eat it!
Well, Yaakov, if personality is the lesser state then you should abandon your personal account and stop pestering us with illogic.
I just rattled off a few Scriptures about God's plan for the nations (before and after Jews existed) and Jesus's work for them, there are many more. If the god of Israel wants to dominate the nations, what if he is the universal god and thus the best god of all the nations? Because if you think the real god or monad is the impersonal and nobody should have a personal god but should worship the impersonal as greater, then you're against Jesus as if he said something wrong. But people never can get around to hanging Jesus on his own words.
The real God is the one that is revealed in creation and that lets each person find out truth by a unique traversal of the one path of truth (and, when one comes across special revelation, testing that revelation by the nature of truth revealed in creation). If people don't accept the reality of what (or who) the real God is, people face natural consequences, because rejecting reality leads to negatives. Now, people might argue that, oh, that's an evil god using tactics against me, but if it's the true God then all their special pleading is for naught and all the negatives are what they deserve for their prior rejection of reality. So you wouldn't be able to tell apart the true God from a false god by saying the true God doesn't participate in allowing evils to happen to you; any devil can put bad things in your life and promise to relieve them when you worship him. So that's not how people discern that the Biblical God is the true God. Instead, they decide that based on (1) seeing the true God in creation or (2) seeing the true God defeating any other proposed god in a fair test. If the first doesn't work, you get the second, even if the other proposed god is yourself.