Nope, Preston, I don't see myself buying it... what I see first is someone proud of Egypt
I didn't think you would buy it. But, you also have a lot to explain when it comes to numbers, and that's right out of the OT. The event the book of Exodus itself and the Book of Numbers indicate that the people, the Israelites who left Egypt, that there were 600,000 men of military age. So, you're not talking about old man, you're not talking about children and you're not talking about women. Six hundred thousand so you add all the others, what is that? two and a half, three million people? and one problem is that's more than the population of Egypt would have been by a long shot. And apart from that, when you think three million people you expect there's going some kinds of remains like pottery or weaponry or you know, stuff. I mean we have stuff from what, well before that time for other civilizations. There's nothing regarding Exodus and so that's that. It does cause problems for you, think that anything like what the Bible describes happened it's a problem because you'd expect some remains.
Regardless if you buy it or not, Palestine was not the homeland for the kingdom of Israel and the stories of its early patriarchs. The inception of Judaism and the stories of Abraham, Isaac, Joseph and Moses happened in Arabia and Yemen. The blatant failure of Biblical archaeology in the land of Palestine is primarily due to a premise completely flawed and a Bible (Septaguint) cunningly tampered with. By the same evil creeps who manipulate our news and educational materials today. People like Leon Black, the Jewish billionaire who is accused of raping a 7-year-old girl in the Epstein Files and who owns Lifetouch. The biggest school picture company in America that photographs millions of kids each year. Like I said they always lie, but you go on and keep believing them. Rather than Dr. Ashraf Ezzat who indeed may be proud of Egypt, that doesn't mean he would make things up. Or Prof. James Henry Breasted an archaeologist, Egyptologist, and historian.
Good questions. Let me first separate one question out: Feel free to pick on individual Jews and Jewish organizations, because that is one purpose for this forum, picking on anyone who conspires evilly regardless of race. It's very easy for an objective person to do this without being collectivist or judging the innocent (e.g. the children of a race) along with the guilty. For that reason, people who don't are easily identified as nonobjective.
Again, my take on where to trust history comes from the fact that I made an irrevocable commitment to Jesus, even knowing that he's identified as Jewish. Only he can revoke it. What he says about the Hebrew Scripture is my rule. But I've never needed to fear truth because the truth has always backed up his claims. So I'm happy to look into details and I'm motivated to consider any evidence that I could be wrong, because I am committed to all truth. If Jesus should fail me, that might conceivably be him revoking my commitment, via demonstration of his impotence; but he has always revealed himself as potentate.
Yes, population demographics are a much more important field than realized. A quick unchecked quote comes up: "The total population, they say, was of old about 7 million and the number has remained no less down to our day" (Diodorus Siculus, Historical Library 1.31.8). Modern estimates are a bit lower. Recall that the "Israelite" exodus officially included a mixed multitude of non-Jews along with descendants of Israel. Though the nomadic-community influx of Jacob's family could have been almost 10,000, to get to 2 million would have required conversion as well as birth. Though many were Egyptians, this group were required to consent to Moses's laws and to be circumcised, and the entire polity were counted as "Israel" regardless of heritage, because all were naturalized equally; and the desert wandering cemented this identification and rooted out rebellions. So this number is not immodest.
Since Ramses does have archeological evidence of sudden abandonment by Semite dwellers, this implies that there was a massive population hit via the Hyksos expulsion, even on Manetho's numbers. On the above I'd be comfortable with 30%, while 60% would not be impossible, and 15% could be defended by conservatives. If you read Ahmose's boasting about how he arrived at a devastated region and took over, unifying the people, it's no surprise. Look, Scored itself has had attrition of 95% in some regions and 60% in others, and is still going strong; people do it. Did you know 8% of the population of Nicaragua, which might be 30% of the men of fighting age, entered America this past decade? That's a pretty statistically significant exodus too. I don't think that comparing the largest estimate of Israel's population and the smallest estimate of Egypt's population and claiming contradiction would be sustained, because it admittedly uses two different counting methods. Apples to apples there is no problem.
you expect there's going some kinds of remains like pottery or weaponry or you know, stuff
What is the difference between exodus and expulsion then?
The inception of Judaism and the stories of Abraham, Isaac, Joseph and Moses happened in Arabia and Yemen.
I said I'd look into that. There's another source I'd heard recently on similar claims that I want to consult. But, takeaway, most of these sources admit Abraham and Moses were real (just misplaced), which contradicts your initial claim. So pick which one you want to defend.
a Bible (Septaguint) cunningly tampered with
This lacks evidence. We have the original and translated text. There is no alternate manuscript tradition by which tampering with thousands of words would have been a sustainable theory. When you look at admitted document tampering by the Inquisition, by contrast, all kinds of evidence shows what happened and what was original.
you go on and keep believing them
I worship exactly one Jew. When he happens to agree with other Jews, that means those other Jews aren't lying on that point.
Dr. Ashraf Ezzat ... indeed may be proud of Egypt, that doesn't mean he would make things up.
Medical doctor Ezzat isn't lying, but he is being dramatic. He's saying Egypt has no "pharaoh" when he knows very well and admits that Egypt had a "pr-aa" since the 20th century BC. That's a semantic quibble to increase hits and purchases. On the argument that Egypt has no Israelites, I'll look into it, and yet his sources claim the Israelites back to Abraham's family were indeed still very real, which means the Bible isn't lying even if we interpret its geography wrong. Similarly, Breasted's math is likely based on the same atheist althist invented in the 19th century as if closeted Babylonians came up with the name "Mose", one of the most common Egyptian names but only of a millennium prior. (Let me repeat that list for my own records: Ahmose, Amenmose, Dedumose, Kamose, Ptahmose, Ramose, Thutmose. Several repeated often, and maybe more names exist. But none after about 1000 BC.)
So the sources aren't proving what you infer they're proving. If there were a real challenge to a Christian worldview it would be worth considering (which is why I'm taking the Asir hypothesis with more time), but these are not significant and have been ably dealt with by the existing historian community.
I didn't think you would buy it. But, you also have a lot to explain when it comes to numbers, and that's right out of the OT. The event the book of Exodus itself and the Book of Numbers indicate that the people, the Israelites who left Egypt, that there were 600,000 men of military age. So, you're not talking about old man, you're not talking about children and you're not talking about women. Six hundred thousand so you add all the others, what is that? two and a half, three million people? and one problem is that's more than the population of Egypt would have been by a long shot. And apart from that, when you think three million people you expect there's going some kinds of remains like pottery or weaponry or you know, stuff. I mean we have stuff from what, well before that time for other civilizations. There's nothing regarding Exodus and so that's that. It does cause problems for you, think that anything like what the Bible describes happened it's a problem because you'd expect some remains.
Regardless if you buy it or not, Palestine was not the homeland for the kingdom of Israel and the stories of its early patriarchs. The inception of Judaism and the stories of Abraham, Isaac, Joseph and Moses happened in Arabia and Yemen. The blatant failure of Biblical archaeology in the land of Palestine is primarily due to a premise completely flawed and a Bible (Septaguint) cunningly tampered with. By the same evil creeps who manipulate our news and educational materials today. People like Leon Black, the Jewish billionaire who is accused of raping a 7-year-old girl in the Epstein Files and who owns Lifetouch. The biggest school picture company in America that photographs millions of kids each year. Like I said they always lie, but you go on and keep believing them. Rather than Dr. Ashraf Ezzat who indeed may be proud of Egypt, that doesn't mean he would make things up. Or Prof. James Henry Breasted an archaeologist, Egyptologist, and historian.
Good questions. Let me first separate one question out: Feel free to pick on individual Jews and Jewish organizations, because that is one purpose for this forum, picking on anyone who conspires evilly regardless of race. It's very easy for an objective person to do this without being collectivist or judging the innocent (e.g. the children of a race) along with the guilty. For that reason, people who don't are easily identified as nonobjective.
Again, my take on where to trust history comes from the fact that I made an irrevocable commitment to Jesus, even knowing that he's identified as Jewish. Only he can revoke it. What he says about the Hebrew Scripture is my rule. But I've never needed to fear truth because the truth has always backed up his claims. So I'm happy to look into details and I'm motivated to consider any evidence that I could be wrong, because I am committed to all truth. If Jesus should fail me, that might conceivably be him revoking my commitment, via demonstration of his impotence; but he has always revealed himself as potentate.
Yes, population demographics are a much more important field than realized. A quick unchecked quote comes up: "The total population, they say, was of old about 7 million and the number has remained no less down to our day" (Diodorus Siculus, Historical Library 1.31.8). Modern estimates are a bit lower. Recall that the "Israelite" exodus officially included a mixed multitude of non-Jews along with descendants of Israel. Though the nomadic-community influx of Jacob's family could have been almost 10,000, to get to 2 million would have required conversion as well as birth. Though many were Egyptians, this group were required to consent to Moses's laws and to be circumcised, and the entire polity were counted as "Israel" regardless of heritage, because all were naturalized equally; and the desert wandering cemented this identification and rooted out rebellions. So this number is not immodest.
Since Ramses does have archeological evidence of sudden abandonment by Semite dwellers, this implies that there was a massive population hit via the Hyksos expulsion, even on Manetho's numbers. On the above I'd be comfortable with 30%, while 60% would not be impossible, and 15% could be defended by conservatives. If you read Ahmose's boasting about how he arrived at a devastated region and took over, unifying the people, it's no surprise. Look, Scored itself has had attrition of 95% in some regions and 60% in others, and is still going strong; people do it. Did you know 8% of the population of Nicaragua, which might be 30% of the men of fighting age, entered America this past decade? That's a pretty statistically significant exodus too. I don't think that comparing the largest estimate of Israel's population and the smallest estimate of Egypt's population and claiming contradiction would be sustained, because it admittedly uses two different counting methods. Apples to apples there is no problem.
I already told you it is a standard pottery designation from the exact city of Ramses named by Moses.
What is the difference between exodus and expulsion then?
I said I'd look into that. There's another source I'd heard recently on similar claims that I want to consult. But, takeaway, most of these sources admit Abraham and Moses were real (just misplaced), which contradicts your initial claim. So pick which one you want to defend.
This lacks evidence. We have the original and translated text. There is no alternate manuscript tradition by which tampering with thousands of words would have been a sustainable theory. When you look at admitted document tampering by the Inquisition, by contrast, all kinds of evidence shows what happened and what was original.
I worship exactly one Jew. When he happens to agree with other Jews, that means those other Jews aren't lying on that point.
Medical doctor Ezzat isn't lying, but he is being dramatic. He's saying Egypt has no "pharaoh" when he knows very well and admits that Egypt had a "pr-aa" since the 20th century BC. That's a semantic quibble to increase hits and purchases. On the argument that Egypt has no Israelites, I'll look into it, and yet his sources claim the Israelites back to Abraham's family were indeed still very real, which means the Bible isn't lying even if we interpret its geography wrong. Similarly, Breasted's math is likely based on the same atheist althist invented in the 19th century as if closeted Babylonians came up with the name "Mose", one of the most common Egyptian names but only of a millennium prior. (Let me repeat that list for my own records: Ahmose, Amenmose, Dedumose, Kamose, Ptahmose, Ramose, Thutmose. Several repeated often, and maybe more names exist. But none after about 1000 BC.)
So the sources aren't proving what you infer they're proving. If there were a real challenge to a Christian worldview it would be worth considering (which is why I'm taking the Asir hypothesis with more time), but these are not significant and have been ably dealt with by the existing historian community.