Thanks u/Plemethrock
We can have a discussion on whether or not free will exists. Discuss if every action we do is already predetermined by how our brain is wired, with the environment around us being the inputs.
We can also have a discussion on whether or not humans have souls and analyze the evidence for and against us just being our bodies
(I made an error and had to repost, apologies)
There you go. Does God create calamity and disasters, which are perceived evils for men? Yes. Is this evil by itself? No, because God is the standard for the good and not man. If God wills to flood the entire effin planet and purge it from the abominations, then He's justified in doing so and it's good. If He wills that the jews wander in the desert for 40 years so that the entire generation dies out before getting to the Promised land - He's justified. If He allows His Son to be tortured and crucified by the roman and the jews, He's still justified (keep in mind the Trinity has one will so the will of the Father is the same as the Son's).
Quote mining won't help you proving much. The Bible is a liturgical text that is understood holistically and not piece by piece standing alone. I mean, I can find quotes to prove any thesis you can think of but the Scriptures are to be understood within context. And the correct context is only understood when you have the correct presuppositions which are the result of having the correct doctrines which are found within the living tradition of the Church, created by God.
If you're doing internal critique of the Christian position, you must be consistent with that position and not strawman it. Seems like your critique applies to the freemasonic/talmudic manichean Architect and not to the Christian Trinitarian God.
Mind-boggling. First thing what is Trinity? it's the monotheistic revolution. Before, societies were paganistic or polytheistic then with Constantine God became the Holy Trinity. Trinity is the weirdest idea in human history. The Holy Trinity is this God is nothing and everything. And what this means is God is both real and not real. God is a symbol and reality itself. And because of this idea, people are now forced to think abstractly about the world. And it gives rise to money, nation state and science. Whereas people before could think concretely about the world.
The idea of the Holy Trinity is that Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit these are different forces that are independent of each other but they are equal to each other and they're part of the same thing. So for the human mind, the way that our human minds are designed, it is impossible for us to understand this concept of the Holy Trinity. It's like saying this chair it is here and not here. Your mind has to believe that this thing is here and not here and your mind can't do that, your mind has to believe in one thing and and cannot believe in contradictions. But this is inherently a contradiction. The only way that our mind can process this is by believing that this is a symbol.
Also to remind you, the official religion of the Byzantines was the Holy Trinity. But most Christians didn't believe in the Trinity, and they were persecuted for the refusal to believe in the Holy Trinity.
"the Byzantines"? Are those supposed to be some of the Epstein islands? Sure, buddy. Did the clockwork elves tell you that? I was about to explain how the Trinity is conceived of in Christian theology but I see now it's a waste of time and you obviously are very knowledgeable about it all. Call me when you're back from lala land.
So, you are totally clueless. Maybe this will help. The Byzantine religion was based on Christianity, which became the defining feature of Byzantine culture. The Church was headed by the Patriarch or bishop of Constantinople, who was appointed or removed by the emperor. The doctrine of the Trinity was not explicit in the books that constitute the New Testament, but it was implicit in John, and the New Testament possessed a triadic understanding of God and contained a number of Trinitarian formulas.
The Holy Trinity Byzantine Catholic Church even has a website: https://www.byzcath.org/HolyTrinity/
I won't call or ever reply to you again. It would be a waste of my time.
Dude, do you think I, an Orthodox Christian, coming from that region don't know about the Byzantine Empire? I laughed at you calling it the Byzantines and the bizarre claim that early Christians were unitarian (there were such heretical sects, but why do you assume they are the "true Christians" and not the majority ones who held to the teachings of the apostolic Church?)
No, the Orthodox Church was always synodal and decentralized. The Empire was ruled according to the dual-headed eagle principle of symphonia - joint governance of Church and state working in harmony in their respective roles. The Church took care of spiritual matters and the state - of civil matters. The Emperor was crowned and anointed by the Church and he held a minor clerical order (diakonos). Yes, some emperors overstepped their boundaries and meddled into Church matters but that's not how the system was set up. Namely, this system is distinct from the Western Catholic system which came to be defined by a geopolitical struggle between the secularized Papacy greedy for political supremacy (owning a bank, a standing army and militarized orders etc.) and the God-Emperor kings who sought to rule all by themselves, getting rid of the RC Church (culminating in Henry VIII who made his own church where he's the head and later Napoleon who notoriously crowned himself in a self-worshipping ceremony).
The Trinity is present both in the New and the Old Testament and that has been the traditional teaching of the Church as evident from the early Church fathers. The Rublev icon that shows up at the link you posted depicts the Trinity as seen by Abraham in Genesis 18.
You shouldn't be debating history and especially early Church history if you haven't red a lot on the topic. Reading some wacko's book or watching zeitgeist and tiktok reels about it won't do the job.