I figured that much already. I'm just not sure why you want to have a religious conversation with me. I strongly suspect your "way of Jesus" and mine are not only different, but exactly opposite.
because you were spreading falsehoods about Paul who is a brother in Christ
Really? name one thing I said that is a falsehood or a lie?
Maybe because I have doubts about the existence of a historical Paul. But, what if my doubts are founded? Who was Paul and where did he come from? We actually know very little about the early life of Paul, which itself is suspicious for someone
so important. What we do know is that he's from a place called Tarsus, which is part of the Jewish diaspora in what is now modern Turkey. He himself was Jewish by ancestry. But crucially, he was a Roman citizen. And this is extremely rare for a Jewish person. You could only become a Roman citizen in three ways. First, you could be born to citizen parents, which is probably Paul's situation. He tells us in the Bible, I was born a Roman citizen. Therefore, my parents were citizens. This means his family was very wealthy and part of the Roman elite. Second, you could earn citizenship by serving in the Roman military for 20 years. Third, you could be granted citizenship by the emperor as a reward for exceptional service to the state. So, it's very hard to be a Roman citizen. Only a small percentage of people in empire had citizenship. But Paul was a citizen which gave him enormous privileges. He could appeal directly to the emperor. Local authorities had to treat him with respect.
Paul converted and became a Pharisee. Now, Pharisees were Jewish religious teachers who would eventually evolve into rabbis. And as a Pharisee, Paul was apparently very fanatical. We know that converts often become more extreme than people born into a tradition. And as a Pharisee, Paul was supposedly tasked with destroying the Jesus movement because it was heresy. Jesus claimed to be the Messiah, but according to the Pharisees, he wasn't. Therefore, his followers were spreading false teachings. But wait, this makes no sense. After Jesus death James the Just and the followers of Jesus were in Jerusalem and they were being protected and honored by the Pharisees. So why would the Pharisees send Paul to destroy the movement they were protecting in their own city? This is a major contradiction that no one has adequately explained, in my opinion. And I'm allowed to have my own opinion, is that right?
In my last deep dive with u/InevitableDot I left the question hanging, "Do you want to live forever this time, or cease to exist? Why or why not?" Dot obviously has some strong experiences, like all of us, wants to escape the matrix, and rejects the making up of stories, but also doesn't indicate having the clearest method for evaluating what is nonstory.
You see what I mean, you have already judged me. First you claimed I was an atheist, now I'm antichrist.
Jesus mission is that of spiritual liberation, yet you have no idea what he taught. You claim to know the Bible is the word of God, yet you fail to understand the reality. All the Bibles, every single one out there today require translation. Every single word you've read in the Bible is a translation. And every translation is an interpretation. And many are mistranslations & misinterpretations. Some could not have been avoided, but most were deliberate.
The original Christian understanding was very different before its appropriation and distortion by the Evil Empire (Rome). You say you are "a follower of the Way of Jesus Christ", but let me ask you something... what if Paul took Jesus's message of spiritual autonomy and reconstructed it as a message of spiritual submission? Jesus says “listen to my words”, Paul says “believe me of who Jesus is”. This change may seem small at first, but in reality it changes everything.
Are you and guywholikesDjtof2024 working together? part of the same team? which denomination do you belong to?
I'm with no denomination, I'm a follower of the Way of Jesus Christ. I hope you think on my words to you.
I figured that much already. I'm just not sure why you want to have a religious conversation with me. I strongly suspect your "way of Jesus" and mine are not only different, but exactly opposite.
I started talking to you because you were spreading falsehoods about Paul who is a brother in Christ.
Really? name one thing I said that is a falsehood or a lie?
Maybe because I have doubts about the existence of a historical Paul. But, what if my doubts are founded? Who was Paul and where did he come from? We actually know very little about the early life of Paul, which itself is suspicious for someone so important. What we do know is that he's from a place called Tarsus, which is part of the Jewish diaspora in what is now modern Turkey. He himself was Jewish by ancestry. But crucially, he was a Roman citizen. And this is extremely rare for a Jewish person. You could only become a Roman citizen in three ways. First, you could be born to citizen parents, which is probably Paul's situation. He tells us in the Bible, I was born a Roman citizen. Therefore, my parents were citizens. This means his family was very wealthy and part of the Roman elite. Second, you could earn citizenship by serving in the Roman military for 20 years. Third, you could be granted citizenship by the emperor as a reward for exceptional service to the state. So, it's very hard to be a Roman citizen. Only a small percentage of people in empire had citizenship. But Paul was a citizen which gave him enormous privileges. He could appeal directly to the emperor. Local authorities had to treat him with respect.
Paul converted and became a Pharisee. Now, Pharisees were Jewish religious teachers who would eventually evolve into rabbis. And as a Pharisee, Paul was apparently very fanatical. We know that converts often become more extreme than people born into a tradition. And as a Pharisee, Paul was supposedly tasked with destroying the Jesus movement because it was heresy. Jesus claimed to be the Messiah, but according to the Pharisees, he wasn't. Therefore, his followers were spreading false teachings. But wait, this makes no sense. After Jesus death James the Just and the followers of Jesus were in Jerusalem and they were being protected and honored by the Pharisees. So why would the Pharisees send Paul to destroy the movement they were protecting in their own city? This is a major contradiction that no one has adequately explained, in my opinion. And I'm allowed to have my own opinion, is that right?
In my last deep dive with u/InevitableDot I left the question hanging, "Do you want to live forever this time, or cease to exist? Why or why not?" Dot obviously has some strong experiences, like all of us, wants to escape the matrix, and rejects the making up of stories, but also doesn't indicate having the clearest method for evaluating what is nonstory.
Also the opposite of Christ is antiChrist
You see what I mean, you have already judged me. First you claimed I was an atheist, now I'm antichrist.
Jesus mission is that of spiritual liberation, yet you have no idea what he taught. You claim to know the Bible is the word of God, yet you fail to understand the reality. All the Bibles, every single one out there today require translation. Every single word you've read in the Bible is a translation. And every translation is an interpretation. And many are mistranslations & misinterpretations. Some could not have been avoided, but most were deliberate.
The original Christian understanding was very different before its appropriation and distortion by the Evil Empire (Rome). You say you are "a follower of the Way of Jesus Christ", but let me ask you something... what if Paul took Jesus's message of spiritual autonomy and reconstructed it as a message of spiritual submission? Jesus says “listen to my words”, Paul says “believe me of who Jesus is”. This change may seem small at first, but in reality it changes everything.