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posted 2 days ago by RealWildRanter 2 days ago by RealWildRanter +16 / -3
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– SwampRangers -2 points 2 days ago +1 / -3

Luther did have the fortitude to fight for what Jesus gave us, which is why he published theses about indulgences that (the Counterreformation later admitted) were not being operated in accord with what Jesus gave us.

Leo then relied on counsel that badly summarized Luther's old teachings and excommunicated him even though hearings were inconclusive. Luther continued fighting for the church even after it kicked him out.

Now some Catholics would say Luther was wrong to pursue conscience when it told him church practices were wrong: instead he should have suppressed the internal voice and refused to trust his own eyes and ears, doing nothing but repeating what he believed to be contradictions like a good nonplayer character. I do understand the reason for this preference, and I think that God will preserve a great many people who practice it in spite of themselves. But there comes a time when authority tells you something wrong and you know 100% that you must resist it even if it goes all the way to the top (at least on earth). The centuries of infallibility debate (which continue) demonstrate that the issue of conscience isn't yet settled. I know the answer, but the Catholics suppress where the answer appears in the magisterium because they believe there is a dichotomy between unity and conscience (there isn't). Until Catholics wake up (very literally) and recognize how the Spirit speaks through conscience and always has, they will have the risk of running aground.

TLDR: If you skipped all that, again I ask you to bring your obscenity-laced tirades to your confessor.

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– RealWildRanter [S] 1 point 2 days ago +2 / -1

When you meet him in hell then Earth will become aost like a paradise.

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– SwampRangers -1 points 2 days ago +2 / -3

I don't believe the Roman Church actually teaches in the magisterium that Luther is in hell. It's not as if you go to hell for something you changed before they called you on it and that you didn't hold for 30 years afterward. That wasn't true of any heretic I know. So I believe you're going beyond the magisterium just to make yourself feel better about anathematizing me.

But guess what! If your priest told you you don't need to repent for obscenity and personal attack, according to your system you don't have to trouble your conscience about it! According to what I said, you might possibly escape as innocent with the actual penalty falling on your priest instead, but all the same it's better to lay out your conscience early and be more certain.

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– RealWildRanter [S] 3 points 2 days ago +3 / -0

Only heretics care about what churchmen say because they like to appease to protestants in the name of ecumenism.

Anyway, cope and seethe retardstein.

https://motherofgodlibrary.org/2019/06/05/a-terrible-vision-luther-in-hell/

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– SwampRangers -1 points 2 days ago +1 / -2

Only heretics care about what churchmen say

I don't understand. You don't care about what churchmen say?

Your link says that in 1707 Francis Jerome raised a prostitute from the dead for a few seconds so she could testify that she had gone to hell, along with a vision of Maria Micheli in 1887 where she saw Luther suffering in hell (among other things). I understand the church treats these as pious opinions rather than as magisterium, namely that you are free to believe or not to believe them. I asked about magisterium.

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– JosephGoebbel5 0 points 2 days ago +2 / -2

Preach it, c/Yahweh!

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