I don't believe the Roman Church actually teaches in the magisterium that Luther is in hell. It's not as if you go to hell for something you changed before they called you on it and that you didn't hold for 30 years afterward. That wasn't true of any heretic I know. So I believe you're going beyond the magisterium just to make yourself feel better about anathematizing me.
But guess what! If your priest told you you don't need to repent for obscenity and personal attack, according to your system you don't have to trouble your conscience about it! According to what I said, you might possibly escape as innocent with the actual penalty falling on your priest instead, but all the same it's better to lay out your conscience early and be more certain.
I don't understand. You don't care about what churchmen say?
Your link says that in 1707 Francis Jerome raised a prostitute from the dead for a few seconds so she could testify that she had gone to hell, along with a vision of Maria Micheli in 1887 where she saw Luther suffering in hell (among other things). I understand the church treats these as pious opinions rather than as magisterium, namely that you are free to believe or not to believe them. I asked about magisterium.
The main point is that a Catholic saw Luther in hell. And my main point is it's not magisterium. You do know how your own Church works, don't you, or do you just trust that whatever opinions you come to when you rant on the net are just fine because your priest has the job of telling you otherwise? You do know that your Church is interested in saving souls from hell, and you're doing an abysmal job of that in this discussion, right?
Luther's whole point in 1517 was that (as a raving papist) he believed the Pope had better be prepared to answer sharp questions from the laity, and the popes don't seem to have taken that fully into account yet.
I don't believe the Roman Church actually teaches in the magisterium that Luther is in hell. It's not as if you go to hell for something you changed before they called you on it and that you didn't hold for 30 years afterward. That wasn't true of any heretic I know. So I believe you're going beyond the magisterium just to make yourself feel better about anathematizing me.
But guess what! If your priest told you you don't need to repent for obscenity and personal attack, according to your system you don't have to trouble your conscience about it! According to what I said, you might possibly escape as innocent with the actual penalty falling on your priest instead, but all the same it's better to lay out your conscience early and be more certain.
Only heretics care about what churchmen say because they like to appease to protestants in the name of ecumenism.
Anyway, cope and seethe retardstein.
https://motherofgodlibrary.org/2019/06/05/a-terrible-vision-luther-in-hell/
I don't understand. You don't care about what churchmen say?
Your link says that in 1707 Francis Jerome raised a prostitute from the dead for a few seconds so she could testify that she had gone to hell, along with a vision of Maria Micheli in 1887 where she saw Luther suffering in hell (among other things). I understand the church treats these as pious opinions rather than as magisterium, namely that you are free to believe or not to believe them. I asked about magisterium.
You pick and chose your facts because you can't refute the main point of that article. Every single time. Anyway, you're ending up down there too.
The main point is that a Catholic saw Luther in hell. And my main point is it's not magisterium. You do know how your own Church works, don't you, or do you just trust that whatever opinions you come to when you rant on the net are just fine because your priest has the job of telling you otherwise? You do know that your Church is interested in saving souls from hell, and you're doing an abysmal job of that in this discussion, right?
Luther's whole point in 1517 was that (as a raving papist) he believed the Pope had better be prepared to answer sharp questions from the laity, and the popes don't seem to have taken that fully into account yet.