Are you a lawyer irl? I can smell one from any distance.
"Honor" does not mean "obey to the point of dishonor". See Acts 4-5, we must obey God rather than men. You honor an unjust command by straitly telling the commander you cannot obey and will take the punishment, Daniel 1. (Also Luther, here I stand ....) Your quest to see contradiction and exception in the moral law is, well, doomed.
I never said anything about obeying so don't present strawmen. Let's stick to the wording of the commandment and my hypothetical:
For example do you think you ought to honor your parents if they are complete degenerates who treat you and your family like trash for no good reason?
You'll notice that in this case you don't disobey or dishonor God in any way. On the contrary - following your logic, your refusal to follow the commandment is disobedience to God. If you're supposed to follow the commandment indiscriminately as a rock does, then you'd have to agree you should still honor your parents even if they abuse you and your family. I can push the hypothetical even further if you need me to.
I larp, I tell people I'm too smart to take the bar.
I told you that a person in your hypothetical can honor his parents at all times including by obeying when he can and telling them when he cannot, which are two applicable categories of honor. You have not said anything about those not being categories of honor. Since you wish to be more specific, you honor a person who is degenerate by appealing to the image of God in him to rise above his degeneracy as the Lord wills; you honor a person who treats you and yours like trash, or abuses you, by the same appeal, in addition to protection of yourself, and of who and what are yours. A minor in his parents' household is in a position of not having mature knowledge of morality, so the means of judging whether a minor is "honoring" are more limited, but God gives minors enough common grace to show a path to them at the level they are at, such as through common cultural expressions of morality. And, when the church encounters an abused minor, they would not say "dishonor your parents", and they would not dishonor the fact that the child has those parents, but as long as the case is limited to a report of child abuse they would still use deliberative, procedural means to protect the child from abuse, and would not act rashly. That is because society's default stance of according the parents rights over the child should not be interrupted lightly but only on credible evidence.
The cases can get more detailed: There may be other factors beyond a report of abuse, such as risk of abuse to others than the reporter, in which case someone might "take the law into his own hands". The person who does that is declaring emergency jurisdiction over the law and is responsible to judge rightly and to be punished for wrong judgment. That still doesn't involve dishonoring a parent. In the extreme case, we get back to the just war, if a parent is being so belligerent and aggressive that the believer regards it as an act of war against him: in that case the state of war should be acknowledged and the inability to retain relations should be stated upfront. Obviously if a father deliberately tells a son he is no longer his son, the son is also no longer subject to the duty that sons have of honoring fathers, though we still honor people as image-carriers.
Now, you may be referring to individuals you know who have been abused and who have not gotten good answers from believers. You may have in mind a case where your conclusion was that a form of dishonoring parents, or some other exception, was morally justified. Please don't take my case law as specific to a case I have not heard all the details of. But I can tell you confidently and categorically that in any case where you have justified your own or another's action while believing it was contrary to some moral principle, there was always a better way available, and reflection in the Spirit will reveal it to you without judgmentalism. To him who knows what to do and does not do it, it is sin. But he will provide a way out with the temptation that you may bear up under it.
So, yes, one who is a child should honor one's parents at all times. In the most extreme cases, the means of honor are strained but can still be preserved, by God's guarantee.
Are you a lawyer irl? I can smell one from any distance.
I never said anything about obeying so don't present strawmen. Let's stick to the wording of the commandment and my hypothetical:
You'll notice that in this case you don't disobey or dishonor God in any way. On the contrary - following your logic, your refusal to follow the commandment is disobedience to God. If you're supposed to follow the commandment indiscriminately as a rock does, then you'd have to agree you should still honor your parents even if they abuse you and your family. I can push the hypothetical even further if you need me to.
I larp, I tell people I'm too smart to take the bar.
I told you that a person in your hypothetical can honor his parents at all times including by obeying when he can and telling them when he cannot, which are two applicable categories of honor. You have not said anything about those not being categories of honor. Since you wish to be more specific, you honor a person who is degenerate by appealing to the image of God in him to rise above his degeneracy as the Lord wills; you honor a person who treats you and yours like trash, or abuses you, by the same appeal, in addition to protection of yourself, and of who and what are yours. A minor in his parents' household is in a position of not having mature knowledge of morality, so the means of judging whether a minor is "honoring" are more limited, but God gives minors enough common grace to show a path to them at the level they are at, such as through common cultural expressions of morality. And, when the church encounters an abused minor, they would not say "dishonor your parents", and they would not dishonor the fact that the child has those parents, but as long as the case is limited to a report of child abuse they would still use deliberative, procedural means to protect the child from abuse, and would not act rashly. That is because society's default stance of according the parents rights over the child should not be interrupted lightly but only on credible evidence.
The cases can get more detailed: There may be other factors beyond a report of abuse, such as risk of abuse to others than the reporter, in which case someone might "take the law into his own hands". The person who does that is declaring emergency jurisdiction over the law and is responsible to judge rightly and to be punished for wrong judgment. That still doesn't involve dishonoring a parent. In the extreme case, we get back to the just war, if a parent is being so belligerent and aggressive that the believer regards it as an act of war against him: in that case the state of war should be acknowledged and the inability to retain relations should be stated upfront. Obviously if a father deliberately tells a son he is no longer his son, the son is also no longer subject to the duty that sons have of honoring fathers, though we still honor people as image-carriers.
Now, you may be referring to individuals you know who have been abused and who have not gotten good answers from believers. You may have in mind a case where your conclusion was that a form of dishonoring parents, or some other exception, was morally justified. Please don't take my case law as specific to a case I have not heard all the details of. But I can tell you confidently and categorically that in any case where you have justified your own or another's action while believing it was contrary to some moral principle, there was always a better way available, and reflection in the Spirit will reveal it to you without judgmentalism. To him who knows what to do and does not do it, it is sin. But he will provide a way out with the temptation that you may bear up under it.
So, yes, one who is a child should honor one's parents at all times. In the most extreme cases, the means of honor are strained but can still be preserved, by God's guarantee.