Freemasons take secret oaths. Taking a secret oath is a deliberate individual judgeable act, and not guilt by association. This forum is pretty hard-set against secret oaths (with the Muslims getting the brunt lately, but Kol Nidre comes up a lot too). They have the same problem whomever takes them. I told you I could hold out, do you want me to find a third strike or something? I suspended judgment, so if you think it's a double standard because I refer to something every member knowingly does (as opposed to attributing some fault of the leadership of a system to every innocent person in the system), then we can discuss that further if need be.
The other charge, that he lied, I accepted your statement on being a likely sour-grapes onetime associate. However it's odd that the second person we find that actually supports this theory calls the first person a liar. Almost like it's revelation of method, but I suspended judgment on that too.
No mention of the founding fathers being lying muslims because of their secret oaths - is I think the double standard i was trying to get you to acknowledge
Oh, I'll be happy to go there, especially in Conspiracies. The founding fathers who were Masons had some secret goals that are included in our Great Seal and that continue Masonic purposes. Judging by their acts (the same way I judge Trump), they accomplished much good and God used them in spite of their religious issues. Plus, the actual oaths taken had not acquired the much deeper character that evidences Masonic oaths today, but that's ultimately irrelevant. George Washington cannot be accorded 100% approval because of this blot; but he did so many things well (unlike other secret swearers) that we recognize God's hand in putting him there in spite of himself.
If I were to spin the conspiracy theory, we have (1) America was founded not just to become a model republic but also to have backdoors to allow the actual satanists to "build" (masonry) in the misleading name of "religious liberty", as shown in their neo-Greek statuary including Washington as Zeus, and the apotheosis of Washington among 13 virgins in the capital dome art; (2) These backdoors allowed the two Banks of the United States, which by God's grace Andrew Jackson won against but which diverted their resources into overpowering influence in the 1850s; (3) Many Masons, and many Jews, and some others such as bankers worked closely together to create the Civil War conditions such that South Carolina would be tempted into following the example of Lexington and Concord except that it would backfire on them that time (evidence in Chiniquy, and in public Masonic codebooks, and in anti-Mason literature to the degree its facts can be verified); (4) Skipping the Fed and WWI-II, it's clear that many Masons and others have exploited liberty to create the world's largest-ever trafficking network (including abortion) and that the government has never restrained it, Rev. 18; (5) It's not clear that MAGA necessarily will succeed in dismantling the satanic work utterly as opposed to ripping off expired superstructures as satan is always prepared to do (his new sacrificial virgins), which is why I've said before Trump arrived that the current beast will eventually (always) be replaced by a worse beast until our Lord comes. The question is how much true believers can get done during their respite before the next crisis, which is why I operate here.
I appreciate your pointing out perceived double standards, it keeps me sharp! (I would also appreciate, and remind myself, that we both want to work on collegiality as students comparing notes. I suppose my view on cyclic catastrophes has made it hard for me to do that lately.)
unless you like them, in which case God is using their masonry for good
Why doesn’t this apply to Carlson again? Because masons became extra super duper evil at some point after the founding of America? Because you don’t like how his research points towards timescales > 6,000 years? It’s not clear to me any objective difference between carlsons masonry (which is a strike against listening to what he has to say) and the masonry of the masons you do like.
(I would also appreciate, and remind myself, that we both want to work on collegiality as students comparing notes. I suppose my view on cyclic catastrophes has made it hard for me to do that lately.)
Agreed, hence my seeking clarity on the notion that the guys who I get my notes from are evil muslims, and associating that with me (guilt by association much?) while plenty of guys who you get your notes from are “tools of God, in spite of themselves”
MUh guilt by association! MUh judge people on an individual basis! MUh fREEEEmAsOnS!!! MUh illOgiCaL dOuBLe sTaNdArDs!!
Freemasons take secret oaths. Taking a secret oath is a deliberate individual judgeable act, and not guilt by association. This forum is pretty hard-set against secret oaths (with the Muslims getting the brunt lately, but Kol Nidre comes up a lot too). They have the same problem whomever takes them. I told you I could hold out, do you want me to find a third strike or something? I suspended judgment, so if you think it's a double standard because I refer to something every member knowingly does (as opposed to attributing some fault of the leadership of a system to every innocent person in the system), then we can discuss that further if need be.
The other charge, that he lied, I accepted your statement on being a likely sour-grapes onetime associate. However it's odd that the second person we find that actually supports this theory calls the first person a liar. Almost like it's revelation of method, but I suspended judgment on that too.
No mention of the founding fathers being lying muslims because of their secret oaths - is I think the double standard i was trying to get you to acknowledge
Oh, I'll be happy to go there, especially in Conspiracies. The founding fathers who were Masons had some secret goals that are included in our Great Seal and that continue Masonic purposes. Judging by their acts (the same way I judge Trump), they accomplished much good and God used them in spite of their religious issues. Plus, the actual oaths taken had not acquired the much deeper character that evidences Masonic oaths today, but that's ultimately irrelevant. George Washington cannot be accorded 100% approval because of this blot; but he did so many things well (unlike other secret swearers) that we recognize God's hand in putting him there in spite of himself.
If I were to spin the conspiracy theory, we have (1) America was founded not just to become a model republic but also to have backdoors to allow the actual satanists to "build" (masonry) in the misleading name of "religious liberty", as shown in their neo-Greek statuary including Washington as Zeus, and the apotheosis of Washington among 13 virgins in the capital dome art; (2) These backdoors allowed the two Banks of the United States, which by God's grace Andrew Jackson won against but which diverted their resources into overpowering influence in the 1850s; (3) Many Masons, and many Jews, and some others such as bankers worked closely together to create the Civil War conditions such that South Carolina would be tempted into following the example of Lexington and Concord except that it would backfire on them that time (evidence in Chiniquy, and in public Masonic codebooks, and in anti-Mason literature to the degree its facts can be verified); (4) Skipping the Fed and WWI-II, it's clear that many Masons and others have exploited liberty to create the world's largest-ever trafficking network (including abortion) and that the government has never restrained it, Rev. 18; (5) It's not clear that MAGA necessarily will succeed in dismantling the satanic work utterly as opposed to ripping off expired superstructures as satan is always prepared to do (his new sacrificial virgins), which is why I've said before Trump arrived that the current beast will eventually (always) be replaced by a worse beast until our Lord comes. The question is how much true believers can get done during their respite before the next crisis, which is why I operate here.
I appreciate your pointing out perceived double standards, it keeps me sharp! (I would also appreciate, and remind myself, that we both want to work on collegiality as students comparing notes. I suppose my view on cyclic catastrophes has made it hard for me to do that lately.)
So, from this im getting that
being a mason is a strike against someone
unless you like them, in which case God is using their masonry for good
Why doesn’t this apply to Carlson again? Because masons became extra super duper evil at some point after the founding of America? Because you don’t like how his research points towards timescales > 6,000 years? It’s not clear to me any objective difference between carlsons masonry (which is a strike against listening to what he has to say) and the masonry of the masons you do like.
Agreed, hence my seeking clarity on the notion that the guys who I get my notes from are evil muslims, and associating that with me (guilt by association much?) while plenty of guys who you get your notes from are “tools of God, in spite of themselves”