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A scientific analysis of chi and related phenomena (prana, vril, “bio-energy”, etc) (media.communities.win)
posted 22 days ago by Graphenium 22 days ago by Graphenium +10 / -4
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– Graphenium [S] 3 points 22 days ago +3 / -0

Video of the chi master from the book:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TdYM0vNufwc

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– Zyxl 3 points 22 days ago +3 / -0

Interesting, but odd how he said his stuff was to be kept secret yet at the same time he would show it off with no cameras. And for someone who meditates and works on self-discipline so much he changes his mind a lot about whether he should be allowing his abilities to be published on video. And it was a little suspicious he decided he wouldn't be able to do scientific tests once they finally started figuring out how to measure his energy. A lot of the time he appears to be showing off like a magician rather than someone safeguarding a secret tradition or reserving his abilities only for useful activities. He is apparently modern in most ways and not super traditional, so he could be aware of modern technologies that would help with magic tricks.

Did any of his students ever get any powers? This is the first I have heard of John Chang or Mo Pai so I don't know but I didn't yet find if any students claim to have developed any observable special abilities.

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– Graphenium [S] 1 point 22 days ago +1 / -0

Did any of his students ever get any powers?

Here’s a video of one of his American students using chi to pull down cardboard boxes at a distance

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=foGu13REF7o&pp=ygUTamltIG1jbWlsbGFuIG1vIHBhadIHCQkDCgGHKiGM7w%3D%3D

Regarding the rest of your message, there seems to be important context you’re missing or neglecting to mention (i.e. what the spirit of his dead master said to him, the context of that spirit’s life, etc), not to mention the fact that the video footage i linked earlier is stitched together from two documentaries produced roughly a decade apart from one another - I highly recommend the book that the OP is sourced from for a more clear, accurate, and contextualized picture:

https://www.scribd.com/document/495031757/The-Magus-of-Java-Teachings-of-an-Authentic-Taoist-Immortal-PDFDrive (no download needed)

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– Zyxl 3 points 22 days ago +3 / -0

OK thanks. Do you know why students thought it was OK to write books about it when Chang didn't think it should be made public? Have the students ever been open to scientific testing? It seems from the OP that Dervenis wants to understand how it works and would be open to running tests? Did anything like that happen?

Of course I left out the reasons Chang changed his mind, but that's because if we're investigating whether this stuff is for real we have to wonder whether Chang just made excuses for his change of mind. They would be convenient excuses as they are unverifiable. They do however mess with Chang's image as someone who has meditated long and hard before making a decision, especially as he knew he was going against his master before he got the dream.

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– Graphenium [S] 3 points 22 days ago +3 / -0

They would be convenient excuses as they are unverifiable.

Multiple students confirm that when Chang spoke to his master’s spirit there were physical and visible manifestations of the spirit

You seem to be reading a lot into the information that isn’t inherently present. I recommend checking it all out while leaving preconceived notions to the side, until you’ve reviewed what material exists, then letting yourself get skeptical.

Here’s an interview/ama that Kosta wrote on a forum for discussions like this:

https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/21094-taobums-qa-with-kosta-danaos/?page=4&tab=comments#comment-305403

You’ll need to make an account to access the Q&A. Once again, I recommend reading the book. Then the Q&A if you want. There’s far too much for me to convey in a couple short comments here, but you’re asking good questions, and their answers are in the texts provided.

Edit) actually, you don’t need to make an account to review the Q&A, someone copy and pasted its contents later in the thread:

https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/21094-taobums-qa-with-kosta-danaos/?page=7&tab=comments#comment-746601

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