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A scientific analysis of chi and related phenomena (prana, vril, “bio-energy”, etc) (media.communities.win)
posted 24 days ago by Graphenium 24 days ago by Graphenium +10 / -4
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– Zyxl 3 points 24 days ago +3 / -0

OK thanks. Do you know why students thought it was OK to write books about it when Chang didn't think it should be made public? Have the students ever been open to scientific testing? It seems from the OP that Dervenis wants to understand how it works and would be open to running tests? Did anything like that happen?

Of course I left out the reasons Chang changed his mind, but that's because if we're investigating whether this stuff is for real we have to wonder whether Chang just made excuses for his change of mind. They would be convenient excuses as they are unverifiable. They do however mess with Chang's image as someone who has meditated long and hard before making a decision, especially as he knew he was going against his master before he got the dream.

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– Graphenium [S] 3 points 24 days ago +3 / -0

They would be convenient excuses as they are unverifiable.

Multiple students confirm that when Chang spoke to his master’s spirit there were physical and visible manifestations of the spirit

You seem to be reading a lot into the information that isn’t inherently present. I recommend checking it all out while leaving preconceived notions to the side, until you’ve reviewed what material exists, then letting yourself get skeptical.

Here’s an interview/ama that Kosta wrote on a forum for discussions like this:

https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/21094-taobums-qa-with-kosta-danaos/?page=4&tab=comments#comment-305403

You’ll need to make an account to access the Q&A. Once again, I recommend reading the book. Then the Q&A if you want. There’s far too much for me to convey in a couple short comments here, but you’re asking good questions, and their answers are in the texts provided.

Edit) actually, you don’t need to make an account to review the Q&A, someone copy and pasted its contents later in the thread:

https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/21094-taobums-qa-with-kosta-danaos/?page=7&tab=comments#comment-746601

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– Zyxl 3 points 24 days ago +3 / -0

Alright, thanks very much for all the info 👍

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– Graphenium [S] 3 points 24 days ago +3 / -0

Hey, cheers and thank you man, for being positive and open minded!

I really and truly would love to hear your thoughts and any questions (what little I might be able to answer about them being based only on my having spent more time with the subject) once you’ve had a chance to “get the lay of the land” so-to-speak, and we can communicate using more of a shared lexicon instead of potentially speaking past eachother

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– Zyxl 3 points 23 days ago +3 / -0

Sure, although I don't know when I'll get around to this given all the other books I want to read.

There have been a lot of other people/systems claiming to have/confer special abilities but almost all of them have proved to be frauds, likely frauds or simply impossible to verify or falsify. This one has more evidence going for it since there has allegedly been some independent scientific investigation and independent video recordings, plus the abilities may not have been specific to one guy with unusual biology. But I guess with Chang dead and only a handful of students who didn't appear to reach his level or submit themselves to similar tests it will be very difficult to verify.

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