But what i was saying is look at where we are NOT, we are not on a planet. that can be easily determined with minor math and empirical observation, common sense. Im not a flat earther, and when you get down this path, you realize there is no such thing. its psy op to muddy the water.
I prefer specifics and facts, not theories. I trust that a person with knowledge can explain his idea factually, if the idea is indeed factual. Otherwise it's a theory.
If you want, go in detail about this.
i found my own way. When i do this breathwork, i connect with my higher consciousness, and then, i feel love, knowledge, truth, like i was told i would get through prayer. accomplished? Im not sure what you expect, i was able to find new confidence, certainty that helped me remove fear of damnation, remove the need to praise deities, but i am still living in grace. i guess, "dont knock it till you try it" is the best i can offer.
I have tried it, and the feelings that you feel are from the devil: "You shall be as gods" - 1st lie that the devil told. Or 2nd one...
Also, your deeds will confirm your being, as it is written in the Bible. However, you say:
i was able to find new confidence, certainty that helped me remove fear of damnation, remove the need to praise deities
How is that different from the devil?
The devil is confident.
The devil has no fear of damnation.
The devil doesn't need to praise anyone.
Think about how perfectly that functions as a control mechanism: it plants fear so deep that people won’t even look beyond the framework they’re given.
Fear is useful. If you see your child walking towards the edge of a cliff, would you calmly explain to it to turn back? Or would you stop it forcefully, and scare it with what might happen if it fell from the cliff?
Fear is way to understanding. Sometimes evil people use fear to manipulate, sometimes they use love. It's not correct to say that both evil and love solely serve the purpose of manipulations, wouldn't you agree?
If truth is truly from God, then why would seeking understanding ever be dangerous? Why would honest questioning or inner exploration be condemned?
Who says that it isn't?
You are doing that and God allows you to live. So, how is that against Him?
you're right, im exaggerating, but for more than a decade, i was dedicated to my church. Bible camps, bible studies, prayer groups, never missed a sunday, etc. But dont assume i dont know what being a Christian is. i know by experience.
I doubt that. Not your experience, I don't doubt that.
I doubt the feeling of a real Christian. All that you have said is not a real Christian. No camps or studies, no prayer groups and sundays can make you a Christian.
That's all I'm saying - being a Christian is the hardest thing one can ever do. Many think they are, or were Christians... Probably none of them ever were one.
i dont have a map or proof.
Well... You certainly don't.
there is no heaven or hell, you cannot do any wrong that will have consequences after life.
There is no way that you can know this. So that's a lie.
of course no one can prove this, just like no one can prove jesus, or God
Incorrect. Jesus can be proven through historians. Then you can notice how the world changes to prove that "If you don't believe in Jesus, believe in His works" is a true statement.
God is easily proven by disproving the theory of evolution. If we are not here by chance (provable) then we are here by design.
You can prove it, but just because you cannot, you think that nobody in the world can't prove these things. False.
but afterward, we all go back to the source, the everything, a collection of all expertise and knowledge
Another lie. You can never prove this. So why do you believe in a Hindu theory that definitely didn't work out well for them?
Sorry if somethings i have discovered on my own sound like things you learned about some cult.
See? And you think you've discovered the new age on your own... And you ignore research about new age... Wouldn't that make you... ignorant?
You've been fed the same ideas from the New Age, but as a liar, that religion never reveals what it truly is. You fell for it.
i think we are all one, but having individual experiences, that go back to one collective spirit. think of it like God is using our bodies to experience His own creation
That would be a useless god... God is allknowing, why would he want to know what He already knows... makes no sense.
But your theory derived from the Matrix movie by those trangenders is really something new... Yup, first time ever I hear anyone thinking like that... Or not.
you'll never get proof for anything in life, even the proof you are getting is usually just another form of belief or faith. the truth i gained comes from within, from my connection to this higher consciousness. this knowingness. I cant cite that.
So, you judge me because of my beliefs... but you also can't explain and also believe... Wouldn't that make you a hypocrite?
I can prove everything I believe in btw. I can even prove that you believe in the New Age. But I doubt you actually want to learn.
You seem like the type of person, who has all these things to stand on, that actually mean nothing at all... Breathing exercizes that you saw in some youtube video probably... Some techniques that you copied from a post/book/video/etc...
Oh... you're not manipulated at all... Surely...
And the best thing - you can't even prove that you're not being manipulated, yet you say you're not.
I understand you perfectly. Because years ago, I was the same person. But in contrast to you, I actually investigated the sources of those theories that you currently believe in.
Facts. Yes. Not theory. That's why my first point was that you have to realize where we are not, in order for my other points to become clear.
When you realize this isn't a planet, and you see all the effort they put into making us think we are masters of our own world. Fully explored, evolution brought us here, or, in the case of some religious dogma, God made us here.
It's all belief, so before you make the claim that you prefer facts, you should at least understand that you believe a lie about where you are and how you got here.
As for the rest. Like I said. You can't be open to these ideas while clouded with deceptions and motivated by dogma. I understand what you've learned in bible school about the devil and cults and all that shit.
You claim there is no way I can know there is no heaven or no hell, but same goes for you. It's all believe, but going back to your earlier point, one cannot prove a negative. So you believe in heaven and hell, and I just don't. I don't need to prove they exist, you do.
Just because some ideas of mine are also in Hindu, doesn't mean I got them from Hindu. and who cares about Hindu, it has nothing to do with what I said. I get you are trying to debate, but there isn't anything I have you that can be debated, only understood or rejected.
Why? Because none of this can be proved. Except the earth not being a globe, that is something factual you can just test and watch it fail. Then, maybe you will be more willing to accept different ideas about religion
It's all belief, so before you make the claim that you prefer facts, you should at least understand that you believe a lie about where you are and how you got here.
Prove it.
As for the rest. Like I said. You can't be open to these ideas while clouded with deceptions and motivated by dogma. I understand what you've learned in bible school about the devil and cults and all that shit.
Never went to Bible school. All I learned was on my own.
You claim there is no way I can know there is no heaven or no hell, but same goes for you. It's all believe, but going back to your earlier point, one cannot prove a negative. So you believe in heaven and hell, and I just don't. I don't need to prove they exist, you do.
Incorrect.
I can prove that a real satan exists. And if you can prove that demons and satanists follow his way even today... The logical question is - how did these overpowered demons not yet succeed to overpower all humans?
There must be something standing in their way. And the only rational answer is God.
It's simple logic from 6th grade.
"When You Have Eliminated the Impossible Whatever Remains, However Improbable, Must Be the Truth"
Just because some ideas of mine are also in Hindu, doesn't mean I got them from Hindu. and who cares about Hindu, it has nothing to do with what I said. I get you are trying to debate, but there isn't anything I have you that can be debated, only understood or rejected.
Incorrect.
Since Hindu ideas are older, and you now have the same ideas -> you take them from Hindu.
Have you never studied logic or math?
Why? Because none of this can be proved. Except the earth not being a globe, that is something factual you can just test and watch it fail. Then, maybe you will be more willing to accept different ideas about religion
Do you not know that the Bible also disproves the globe theory?
So far you have provided no proofs of your claims. Logical thinking will say that since you try to defend a theory, you should provide proof, but you're not really listening to logic, are you?
Instead, you're so focused on painting me in the way that I must be believing in a lie... That's not a debate, that's a trick - attack the messanger, not the message.
If you want to debate - go ahead. If you want to accuse and avoid explaining your theory, then I win by default. I don't really care what you choose... I offered you a chance to defend your claims, you couldn't. Can you actually do it now? Doubtful... Very doubtful... So you probably won't.
Remember:
The wicked run when no one is chasing them, but an honest person is as brave as a lion. - Proverbs 28:1
Again. I disprove the globe theory. Not prove that it's flat. Test the curvature, it's missing. Test the angle to the sun from two distant time zones at the same time, test flight paths and critically consider the physics from take off to landing from far north airport to an a runway near the equator. So, is that what you mean by "prove it" because there's nothing more powerful than proving something for yourself
I think you lost the point, it was about how you got to this dogmatic state. Attending Bible school or learning on your own, the statement stands
No, you cannot prove devil, demons, or God exists. It's only theory to explain the observation. Could demons be another species? Yes, could angels be souls? Yes, could God be a collective of all souls? Yes. These are unprovable theories. Faith guides you, not facts
And I'm not incorrect about Hindi ideas not being the same as mine. They are different and that's a fact. If you draw comparisons and if you decide I took them from Hindu, then it's your theory, not fact. As for math a logic, Im pretty good. Do you need to see a trophy or diploma before you'll consider my context? Because that is logical fallacy, ad hominem. You can't attack me and think you made an argument against my content.
The Bible doesn't disprove globe theory, it muddied the waters so that people think globe theory is science and anyone else is dogma, cults, religious ignorance. God created the globe in 6 days, come on. Mentions waters above and below the fermament. It's stupid to believe a book over empirical evidence. That is not proof. They all laugh at the bible explanation that earth isn't a globe.
Like I said. I made some claims. The globe is a hoax and we are being lied to about where we are. You can go test them and get back to me. Then we are ready for a conversation.
But these types of abstract topics...you have to accept that you will not get "proof"
Again. I disprove the globe theory. Not prove that it's flat. Test the curvature, it's missing. Test the angle to the sun from two distant time zones at the same time, test flight paths and critically consider the physics from take off to landing from far north airport to an a runway near the equator. So, is that what you mean by "prove it" because there's nothing more powerful than proving something for yourself
You lecture me on math and physics? Pal, I'd demolish you when I was in 6th grade... I know a lot more than you. So spare me the lectures from now on, can you?
I think you lost the point, it was about how you got to this dogmatic state. Attending Bible school or learning on your own, the statement stands
Typical of the losing side to say such a thing. You have shown no proof, only accusations. Hide behind your accusations, coward... You're not the first one I've demolished with facts. You probably won't be the last either.
No, you cannot prove devil, demons, or God exists. It's only theory to explain the observation. Could demons be another species? Yes, could angels be souls? Yes, could God be a collective of all souls? Yes. These are unprovable theories. Faith guides you, not facts
You mistook me for some braindead idiot like you. But actually I investigate and research what I say, so I have 10+ years of experience to share. And you have only your theories.
Weak. You're so weak. I have debated Israeli pathological liars and won, what are you compared to them? A moth? A fly? You talk too much and haven't proven a thing, don't make the mistake that others are as stupid as you are...
And I'm not incorrect about Hindi ideas not being the same as mine. They are different and that's a fact.
Are you trying to convince yourself of this lie?
Pathetic loser. :D
If you draw comparisons and if you decide I took them from Hindu, then it's your theory, not fact. As for math a logic, Im pretty good. Do you need to see a trophy or diploma before you'll consider my context? Because that is logical fallacy, ad hominem. You can't attack me and think you made an argument against my content.
You never proved your point. So, you never offered anything of value. Loser.
You talk to me about math? I bet you were the worst at it, while in 6th grade I was beating the Chinese... So don't compare yourself to me, pal. You'll lose every time.
And you're wrong about everything, that's why you never prove your case. You simply go with accusations that you can't defend. Like the loser you are.
The Bible doesn't disprove globe theory, it muddied the waters so that people think globe theory is science and anyone else is dogma, cults, religious ignorance. God created the globe in 6 days, come on. Mentions waters above and below the fermament. It's stupid to believe a book over empirical evidence. That is not proof. They all laugh at the bible explanation that earth isn't a globe.
I will just let this stupidity of yours speak for itself. :D
Like I said. I made some claims. The globe is a hoax and we are being lied to about where we are. You can go test them and get back to me. Then we are ready for a conversation.
Statement of a loser. You couldn't back any of your claims, so now you imagine one to pretend to win the argument... This speaks for itself.
But these types of abstract topics...you have to accept that you will not get "proof"
You do that. I am way more intelligent than you, so I don't fall for theories without proof. But it's fun to see you try to defend your claims without proof... The hoops you go through to make yourself believable... :D You make me laugh.
Anyway, you're just another propagandist that I have demolished with facts. If you somehow learn to read or research the bs you believe, let me know.
Always here to demolish snowflakes who push the New Age religion.
The wicked run when no one is chasing them, but an honest person is as brave as a lion. - Proverbs 28:1
I prefer specifics and facts, not theories. I trust that a person with knowledge can explain his idea factually, if the idea is indeed factual. Otherwise it's a theory.
If you want, go in detail about this.
I have tried it, and the feelings that you feel are from the devil: "You shall be as gods" - 1st lie that the devil told. Or 2nd one...
Also, your deeds will confirm your being, as it is written in the Bible. However, you say:
How is that different from the devil?
The devil is confident.
The devil has no fear of damnation.
The devil doesn't need to praise anyone.
Fear is useful. If you see your child walking towards the edge of a cliff, would you calmly explain to it to turn back? Or would you stop it forcefully, and scare it with what might happen if it fell from the cliff?
Fear is way to understanding. Sometimes evil people use fear to manipulate, sometimes they use love. It's not correct to say that both evil and love solely serve the purpose of manipulations, wouldn't you agree?
Who says that it isn't?
You are doing that and God allows you to live. So, how is that against Him?
I doubt that. Not your experience, I don't doubt that.
I doubt the feeling of a real Christian. All that you have said is not a real Christian. No camps or studies, no prayer groups and sundays can make you a Christian.
That's all I'm saying - being a Christian is the hardest thing one can ever do. Many think they are, or were Christians... Probably none of them ever were one.
Well... You certainly don't.
There is no way that you can know this. So that's a lie.
Incorrect. Jesus can be proven through historians. Then you can notice how the world changes to prove that "If you don't believe in Jesus, believe in His works" is a true statement.
God is easily proven by disproving the theory of evolution. If we are not here by chance (provable) then we are here by design.
You can prove it, but just because you cannot, you think that nobody in the world can't prove these things. False.
Another lie. You can never prove this. So why do you believe in a Hindu theory that definitely didn't work out well for them?
See? And you think you've discovered the new age on your own... And you ignore research about new age... Wouldn't that make you... ignorant?
You've been fed the same ideas from the New Age, but as a liar, that religion never reveals what it truly is. You fell for it.
That would be a useless god... God is allknowing, why would he want to know what He already knows... makes no sense.
But your theory derived from the Matrix movie by those trangenders is really something new... Yup, first time ever I hear anyone thinking like that... Or not.
So, you judge me because of my beliefs... but you also can't explain and also believe... Wouldn't that make you a hypocrite?
I can prove everything I believe in btw. I can even prove that you believe in the New Age. But I doubt you actually want to learn.
You seem like the type of person, who has all these things to stand on, that actually mean nothing at all... Breathing exercizes that you saw in some youtube video probably... Some techniques that you copied from a post/book/video/etc...
Oh... you're not manipulated at all... Surely...
And the best thing - you can't even prove that you're not being manipulated, yet you say you're not.
I understand you perfectly. Because years ago, I was the same person. But in contrast to you, I actually investigated the sources of those theories that you currently believe in.
You can also do it. It's not illegal yet.
Facts. Yes. Not theory. That's why my first point was that you have to realize where we are not, in order for my other points to become clear.
When you realize this isn't a planet, and you see all the effort they put into making us think we are masters of our own world. Fully explored, evolution brought us here, or, in the case of some religious dogma, God made us here.
It's all belief, so before you make the claim that you prefer facts, you should at least understand that you believe a lie about where you are and how you got here.
As for the rest. Like I said. You can't be open to these ideas while clouded with deceptions and motivated by dogma. I understand what you've learned in bible school about the devil and cults and all that shit.
You claim there is no way I can know there is no heaven or no hell, but same goes for you. It's all believe, but going back to your earlier point, one cannot prove a negative. So you believe in heaven and hell, and I just don't. I don't need to prove they exist, you do.
Just because some ideas of mine are also in Hindu, doesn't mean I got them from Hindu. and who cares about Hindu, it has nothing to do with what I said. I get you are trying to debate, but there isn't anything I have you that can be debated, only understood or rejected.
Why? Because none of this can be proved. Except the earth not being a globe, that is something factual you can just test and watch it fail. Then, maybe you will be more willing to accept different ideas about religion
Prove it.
Never went to Bible school. All I learned was on my own.
Incorrect.
I can prove that a real satan exists. And if you can prove that demons and satanists follow his way even today... The logical question is - how did these overpowered demons not yet succeed to overpower all humans?
There must be something standing in their way. And the only rational answer is God.
It's simple logic from 6th grade.
"When You Have Eliminated the Impossible Whatever Remains, However Improbable, Must Be the Truth"
Incorrect.
Since Hindu ideas are older, and you now have the same ideas -> you take them from Hindu.
Have you never studied logic or math?
Do you not know that the Bible also disproves the globe theory?
So far you have provided no proofs of your claims. Logical thinking will say that since you try to defend a theory, you should provide proof, but you're not really listening to logic, are you?
Instead, you're so focused on painting me in the way that I must be believing in a lie... That's not a debate, that's a trick - attack the messanger, not the message.
If you want to debate - go ahead. If you want to accuse and avoid explaining your theory, then I win by default. I don't really care what you choose... I offered you a chance to defend your claims, you couldn't. Can you actually do it now? Doubtful... Very doubtful... So you probably won't.
Remember:
Again. I disprove the globe theory. Not prove that it's flat. Test the curvature, it's missing. Test the angle to the sun from two distant time zones at the same time, test flight paths and critically consider the physics from take off to landing from far north airport to an a runway near the equator. So, is that what you mean by "prove it" because there's nothing more powerful than proving something for yourself
I think you lost the point, it was about how you got to this dogmatic state. Attending Bible school or learning on your own, the statement stands
No, you cannot prove devil, demons, or God exists. It's only theory to explain the observation. Could demons be another species? Yes, could angels be souls? Yes, could God be a collective of all souls? Yes. These are unprovable theories. Faith guides you, not facts
And I'm not incorrect about Hindi ideas not being the same as mine. They are different and that's a fact. If you draw comparisons and if you decide I took them from Hindu, then it's your theory, not fact. As for math a logic, Im pretty good. Do you need to see a trophy or diploma before you'll consider my context? Because that is logical fallacy, ad hominem. You can't attack me and think you made an argument against my content.
The Bible doesn't disprove globe theory, it muddied the waters so that people think globe theory is science and anyone else is dogma, cults, religious ignorance. God created the globe in 6 days, come on. Mentions waters above and below the fermament. It's stupid to believe a book over empirical evidence. That is not proof. They all laugh at the bible explanation that earth isn't a globe.
Like I said. I made some claims. The globe is a hoax and we are being lied to about where we are. You can go test them and get back to me. Then we are ready for a conversation.
But these types of abstract topics...you have to accept that you will not get "proof"
You lecture me on math and physics? Pal, I'd demolish you when I was in 6th grade... I know a lot more than you. So spare me the lectures from now on, can you?
Typical of the losing side to say such a thing. You have shown no proof, only accusations. Hide behind your accusations, coward... You're not the first one I've demolished with facts. You probably won't be the last either.
You mistook me for some braindead idiot like you. But actually I investigate and research what I say, so I have 10+ years of experience to share. And you have only your theories.
Weak. You're so weak. I have debated Israeli pathological liars and won, what are you compared to them? A moth? A fly? You talk too much and haven't proven a thing, don't make the mistake that others are as stupid as you are...
Are you trying to convince yourself of this lie?
Pathetic loser. :D
You never proved your point. So, you never offered anything of value. Loser.
You talk to me about math? I bet you were the worst at it, while in 6th grade I was beating the Chinese... So don't compare yourself to me, pal. You'll lose every time.
And you're wrong about everything, that's why you never prove your case. You simply go with accusations that you can't defend. Like the loser you are.
I will just let this stupidity of yours speak for itself. :D
Statement of a loser. You couldn't back any of your claims, so now you imagine one to pretend to win the argument... This speaks for itself.
You do that. I am way more intelligent than you, so I don't fall for theories without proof. But it's fun to see you try to defend your claims without proof... The hoops you go through to make yourself believable... :D You make me laugh.
Anyway, you're just another propagandist that I have demolished with facts. If you somehow learn to read or research the bs you believe, let me know.
Always here to demolish snowflakes who push the New Age religion.