You got a red flag here with this shit though, eh.
"A Pre-Islamic Sanctuary: The Kaaba was already a central sanctuary for various Arab tribes, especially those who practiced polytheism. It was a well-known pilgrimage site where people would come annually to worship."
Meaning.. back when they used to sacrifice shit. Now they're using the same place. They used to summon who knows what in there, eh. People would get butchered in there. And it would fire up some negative entities. Wouldn't be surprised if they still do that. And they come in and out from underground. They get all the vibes from this cult to fire things up too. This shit is not good, man.
That black rock's gonna have something to do with this too. Don't they use stones in occult rituals. Let me check. Witches use like gems and things like that.
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do they use rocks minerals etc in occult witchcraft stuff?
Yes, rocks, minerals, and other stones, particularly crystals and gemstones, are very commonly used in occult and witchcraft practices. This use has deep historical roots and is a central element in many modern magical traditions.
Here's a breakdown of how they are used and why:
Belief in Metaphysical Properties: The fundamental idea is that different stones possess unique energies or "vibrations" that can be harnessed. These properties are often associated with the stone's color, its formation, or its historical and cultural significance. For example:
Amethyst is often associated with tranquility, intuition, and spiritual awareness.
Rose Quartz is linked to love, self-love, and emotional healing.
Black Onyx or Black Tourmaline are used for protection and to ward off negative energies.
Clear Quartz is considered a powerful "amplifier" that can enhance the energy of other crystals and intentions.
Tools for Rituals and Spells: Stones are integrated into various magical workings:
Amplifying Intentions: Practitioners may "charge" a crystal with a specific intention (e.g., for prosperity, protection, or healing) and then use it as a focal point in a spell or ritual to amplify the desired outcome.
Creating Sacred Space: Stones can be placed in a circle or other pattern to delineate a ritual space, helping to create a consecrated environment for magical work.
Divination: Some practitioners use crystals for scrying (gazing into a reflective surface like a crystal ball to gain insight) or lithomancy (a form of divination where stones are cast and interpreted).
Amulets and Talismans: Throughout history, and in modern practice, stones have been worn or carried as amulets and talismans.
Amulets are believed to protect the wearer from evil or bad luck.
Talismans are intended to grant specific powers or capabilities, such as courage or good fortune.
This practice is not limited to one specific tradition. The use of stones is found in various forms of folk magic, historical occultism, and modern practices like Wicca and other nature-based spiritual paths. The belief is that these natural objects can serve as a bridge between the physical and spiritual worlds, channeling and focusing energy to achieve a desired outcome.
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yeah.. there's gonna some type of occult power in that fucking rock. It's like some super energy stored in there from all these vibes. lol
This is interesting though.. seems the opposite.
"Black Onyx or Black Tourmaline are used for protection and to ward off negative energies."
I don't like the looks of this fucking rock.. they're using it for something. Plus, metorite.. like what's the fucking deal with this shit.
How about this one..
"Amplifying Intentions: Practitioners may "charge" a crystal with a specific intention (e.g., for prosperity, protection, or healing) and then use it as a focal point in a spell or ritual to amplify the desired outcome."
This fucking thing would be ultra charged up like a motherfucker. lol. Like what the hell do they do with this fucking thing.
When I was doing research about the occult.. was Jessie Czebotar, ex top level mother of darkness, in training, during the 80's. She talked about how these old castles, that you think nothing is going on in them, like the Château des Amerois, or it's called the mother of darkness castle. Underneath them, they'd sacrifice kids. You've got fancy castles around the world, but rich people don't live there anymore. They have tourists come around. They do that, while they have occult rituals underneath them. The vibe of the tourists ramps things up with the rituals. Well.. this one here with the vibe of the black cube and all this shit.. definitely would have some super vibes going on.
The luciferian illuminati worldwide cabal totally took over the vatican. So this religion operation is obviously overtaken by them too. They got everything taken over. So that's what's going on in your fuckin black box. Everything is all this "twisted" opposite of what you think it is.
A big part of this is the "herd mentality" where all these people are into something and like peer pressure so they gotta be into it to. It's like brain washing.. with the praying 5 times a day.
"Praying five times a day is known as Salah and is a mandatory practice for Muslims, with each prayer corresponding to a specific time of day: Fajr (dawn), Dhuhr (noon), Asr (afternoon), Maghrib (sunset), and Isha (night). These prayers serve to maintain a strong connection with God (Allah), offer spiritual cleansing, and provide a means to stay on the right path, acting as a spiritual dose for the soul.
The Five Daily Prayers
Fajr: A prayer performed before sunrise.
Dhuhr (Zuhr): The midday prayer, offered after the sun has passed its highest point.
Asr ('Asr): The late afternoon prayer.
Maghrib: The prayer performed at sunset.
Isha: The nighttime prayer."
Do they have to get up before sunrise. This shit is like a fucking cult, man.
"Herd mentality is the tendency to conform to the behavior, beliefs, or attitudes of a group, often at the expense of personal judgment. Also known as mob mentality, this phenomenon can lead to collective decisions that differ from an individual's own beliefs, influencing areas like fashion, politics, and investing. While it can foster a sense of belonging, herd mentality can also suppress independent thought and lead to poor group decisions, making it crucial to practice critical thinking and seek diverse perspectives."
And then they gotta circle around this thing seven times.
Let's get into it with this fucking rock here.
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what do they need the Kaaba for, during religious stuff?
The Kaaba, a cube-shaped building in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, is the holiest site in Islam. Its purpose during religious practices is central to the faith. Here's what they need it for:
Direction of Prayer (Qibla): Muslims around the world face the Kaaba five times a day during their prayers (Salat). This act of facing a single point unites the global Muslim community in worship, regardless of their location. It's a symbolic way of showing unity and submission to one God.
Pilgrimage (Hajj and Umrah): The Kaaba is the focal point of the Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca that is a pillar of Islam, and the Umrah, a non-mandatory pilgrimage. A key ritual of these pilgrimages is the Tawaf, which involves walking around the Kaaba seven times in a counter-clockwise direction. This act symbolizes the unity of believers orbiting a central point of worship, similar to the planets orbiting the sun.
The Kaaba is not worshipped itself. Muslims believe it was the first house of worship on Earth, originally built by the prophet Adam and later rebuilt by the prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) and his son Ismail. It is a symbol of the oneness of God and a spiritual center for all Muslims.
what about that black rock on it.. what's the deal with that?
The "black rock" you're referring to is the Ḥajar al-Aswad, or the Black Stone. It's an important and revered part of the Kaaba, located in its eastern corner.
Here's a breakdown of its significance:
A Relic from Pre-Islamic Times: The Black Stone has a long history and was venerated even before the rise of Islam. According to Islamic tradition, it dates back to the time of Adam and Eve and was placed in its current position by the Prophet Muhammad himself, years before his first revelation.
Symbolic Starting Point of Circumambulation (Tawaf): The Black Stone serves as the starting and ending point for the seven circumambulations (Tawaf) around the Kaaba during the Hajj and Umrah pilgrimages. Pilgrims are encouraged to touch or kiss the stone as they pass by, emulating the Prophet Muhammad. If the crowd is too dense to reach it, they can simply point to it.
Not an Object of Worship: It's very important to note that the Black Stone is not worshipped by Muslims. Its veneration is an act of following the tradition of the Prophet Muhammad and is seen as a way to seek a direct connection with God. A famous quote from the second Caliph, Umar ibn al-Khattab, encapsulates this idea: "I know that you are a stone, you do not cause harm or benefit; and if it were not that I had seen Allah's Messenger kiss you, I would never have kissed you."
Origin and Appearance: The Black Stone is believed to have been brought from Paradise and was originally white, but it turned black due to absorbing the sins of humanity. It is not a single piece, but a fragmented rock held together by a silver frame. While some speculate that it may be a meteorite, no scientific analysis has been allowed due to its religious significance.
you're saying this black rock was put in the cube before mohammed even downloaded the quran?
Yes, that is correct. According to Islamic tradition, the Black Stone was placed in the Kaaba by the Prophet Muhammad about five years before he received the first revelations of the Quran.
Here's the timeline to clarify:
Circa 605 CE: The Kaaba was damaged by a flood and the Meccan clans decided to rebuild it. A dispute arose over who would have the honor of placing the Black Stone back in its corner. At the time, Muhammad was around 35 years old, well-known and respected for his wisdom and integrity, but not yet a prophet. He was chosen to arbitrate the dispute and, using a clever solution that involved all the clans, he personally placed the stone in its position.
Circa 610 CE: The first verses of the Quran were revealed to Muhammad by the Angel Gabriel in a cave on Mount Hira. This is considered the beginning of his prophethood.
So, the Black Stone was indeed part of the Kaaba and a revered object long before the first revelations of the Quran began. This highlights its ancient and symbolic status in Islamic history.
so there was already a kaaba even before the whole religion started? This black box room that nobody's allowed to go in?
That's an excellent question that gets to the heart of the Kaaba's history. Yes, the Kaaba existed as a major religious site long before the advent of Islam.
Here's a summary of its status during the pre-Islamic era:
A Pre-Islamic Sanctuary: The Kaaba was already a central sanctuary for various Arab tribes, especially those who practiced polytheism. It was a well-known pilgrimage site where people would come annually to worship.
Housing Idols: At the time of the Prophet Muhammad's birth, the Kaaba was filled with hundreds of idols representing the various gods of the Arabian Peninsula's tribes. One of the principal idols was a statue of the god Hubal.
Access to the Interior: The Kaaba was not a "room nobody's allowed to go in" during this time. The various pagan tribes who managed the site and the pilgrims who visited would have had access to the interior to perform their rituals and worship the idols.
According to Islamic tradition, this was a corruption of the Kaaba's original purpose. Muslims believe the Kaaba was originally built as a monotheistic house of worship by the prophet Abraham (Ibrahim) and his son Ishmael (Ismail) for the worship of one God. Over time, that original purpose was lost, and the Kaaba became filled with idols.
When Muhammad and his followers conquered Mecca in 630 CE, one of their first acts was to enter the Kaaba and symbolically "cleanse" it of all the idols, returning it to the monotheistic purpose they believe it was intended for. Since then, the Kaaba has been an exclusive place of worship for Muslims, and only a select few individuals, typically officials and caretakers, are allowed to enter it for specific purposes like cleaning.
so what the hell does it got to do with it, when it was there before he got the download from the angel gabriel?
That's the central question. From the Islamic perspective, the Kaaba's existence before the Prophet Muhammad's "download" from the Angel Gabriel isn't a contradiction; it's a critical part of its significance.
Here's the key:
Restoration, Not Creation: Muslims believe that Muhammad's mission, and the revelation of the Quran, was not to create a new religion but to restore the original, pure monotheism of the prophets who came before him, especially Abraham (Ibrahim). The Kaaba is seen as the physical symbol of that original faith.
Reclaiming a Sacred Site: According to Islamic tradition, the Kaaba was first built by the prophet Adam, and then later rebuilt by the prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael (Ismail) for the worship of the one true God. However, over centuries, the site was corrupted by the surrounding pagan tribes who filled it with idols.
Fulfilling its Original Purpose: When Muhammad and his followers returned to Mecca in 630 CE, they cleansed the Kaaba of these idols. This act was a powerful symbol of returning the sanctuary to its original, monotheistic purpose, just as Abraham had intended. Therefore, the Kaaba wasn't adopted from a pagan religion; it was rescued from it.
In short, the Kaaba's pre-Islamic history, from the Islamic viewpoint, is a story of a sacred site that had fallen into idol worship and was then returned to its rightful purpose as the "House of God." It serves as a physical link between the Prophet Muhammad's message and the prophets of the past.
ok so this thing was around before the quran.. and it's abraham who put together this black cube box. But it's mohammed who found this black metorite and put it in the outside corner?
Your summary is getting very close to the traditional Islamic account, but there are a few important distinctions to clarify.
Here's the breakdown, based on what Muslims believe and what historical and academic sources suggest:
Was the Kaaba there before the Quran?
Yes, absolutely. The Kaaba was a pagan sanctuary in Mecca for centuries before the advent of Islam. This is a point of agreement between traditional Islamic sources and secular historical scholarship.
Did Abraham build the black cube box?
This is a central belief in Islam, but it's not supported by non-Islamic historical or archaeological evidence.
According to Islamic tradition: The Kaaba was first built by the Prophet Adam and then rebuilt by the Prophet Abraham (Ibrahim) and his son Ishmael (Ismail) as the first house of monotheistic worship. The Quran mentions Abraham and Ishmael raising the foundations of the House.
According to secular history: There is no mention of Abraham visiting Mecca or building the Kaaba in any pre-Islamic texts, including the Bible or other historical accounts. The association of Abraham with the Kaaba is an Islamic tradition that developed later.
Did Muhammad find this black meteorite and put it in the corner?
This is also a mix of religious belief and historical event.
The Black Stone's Origin: Islamic tradition holds that the Black Stone came from Paradise. There is a common theory, though unproven due to a lack of scientific analysis, that it is a meteorite.
Muhammad's Role: Muhammad did not "find" the stone. The Black Stone was already a revered object in the Kaaba when the pagan Quraysh tribe was rebuilding the structure. A dispute arose over who would have the honor of placing the Black Stone back in its corner. To prevent a fight, the Quraysh chose Muhammad—who was respected for his wisdom and integrity—to mediate. He ingeniously had each clan leader hold a corner of a cloth and together they carried the stone to its position, where he then placed it in the wall himself. This happened around 605 CE, about five years before he received his first revelation.
So, to summarize the traditional Islamic perspective: The Kaaba was originally built by Abraham, but over centuries, it fell into paganism. When it was rebuilt shortly before his prophethood, Muhammad was the one who placed the ancient and revered Black Stone in the wall, an act that is seen as part of his destiny to restore the Kaaba to its original, Abrahamic purpose.
who's this prophet adam.. not the adam and eve guy
That's an insightful question, and the answer highlights a key difference between the Islamic tradition and what is often found in other Abrahamic faiths.
In Islam, the prophet Adam (Arabic: ʾĀdam) is indeed the same figure as the Adam from the story of Adam and Eve. However, his role and the details of his story have a specific emphasis.
The First Human and the First Prophet: In Islamic theology, Adam is not only considered the first human being but also the first prophet sent by God. This is a crucial distinction. All prophets, from Adam to Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and finally Muhammad, are believed to have preached the same fundamental message of submission to one God (Allah). Adam's story in the Quran, therefore, is not just about the creation of man, but about the very beginning of prophethood and God's plan for humanity.
No Concept of "Original Sin": Unlike some Christian theological traditions, Islam does not have the concept of "original sin" that is passed down through generations. According to the Quran, Adam and his wife (known as Hawwāʾ in Islamic tradition, though not named in the Quran itself) both took responsibility for their error of eating from the forbidden tree. They immediately repented, and God forgave them. Their expulsion from paradise was not a punishment for an unforgivable sin, but rather a part of God's original plan for humanity to live on Earth as His caretakers.
So, in the Islamic narrative, Prophet Adam is not a separate person from the "Adam and Eve guy." He is the same foundational figure, but his story is interpreted through the lens of divine guidance and the establishment of a long line of prophets, all of whom shared the same core message.
what do the jews have to say about the adam and eve stuff.. that should be in there cause it's like the old testament, right
You're absolutely right to make that connection. The story of Adam and Eve is found in the Book of Genesis, which is the first book of the Hebrew Bible (the Tanakh) and the Christian Old Testament.
Jewish tradition has a rich and complex perspective on the story of Adam and Eve, which differs in some significant ways from common Christian and Islamic interpretations.
Here are some of the key points about the Jewish view:
No "Original Sin": This is the most crucial difference. Jewish theology does not contain the concept of "original sin," where all of humanity inherits a sinful nature from Adam's transgression. While Adam's action is seen as a mistake that brought negative consequences into the world (such as death and the need for work), it does not condemn all of his descendants. The focus in Judaism is on an individual's personal responsibility for their own choices and actions.
The Nature of the Sin: The "sin" of Adam and Eve is seen less as a catastrophic rebellion and more as an act of disobedience that caused a profound shift in the human condition. By eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, humanity gained moral awareness and a deeper understanding of the world, but this came at the cost of their perfect, innocent state.
The Role of the Serpent: In Jewish tradition, the serpent is a symbol of evil inclination (yetzer hara) within humanity, but it is not explicitly identified with Satan, as it is in many Christian traditions. The serpent's purpose is to tempt and test, not to bring about a "fall" from grace.
Midrashic Interpretations: The story in Genesis is relatively brief, and over the centuries, Jewish sages (rabbis) have filled in the gaps with detailed interpretations known as Midrash. These commentaries explore the deeper meanings of the text and offer a variety of perspectives. For example, some Midrashic texts suggest that the original human was a single androgynous being that was later divided into two genders. Other interpretations explore the character of Adam as a profound philosopher or a humble servant of God.
In essence, the Jewish perspective on Adam and Eve is not about a "fall from grace" that requires a divine sacrifice for redemption. Instead, it's a foundational story that explains the complexities of human nature, the origin of moral choice, and the inherent, lifelong struggle between good and evil inclinations.
i'll tell you where an "original sin," comes from.. it's when you've got the flood and the population gets rebuilt from only noah's family.. meaning incest going on.
That's an interesting and provocative idea, and it's a common line of thinking when people consider the logistics of the Genesis flood narrative. You're pointing out a logical problem: if the entire population of the world was wiped out except for Noah, his wife, his three sons, and their wives, then the repopulation of the earth would necessarily have to involve incest.
While this is a valid observation from a purely logical and biological standpoint, it's not the theological basis for the concept of "original sin" in the traditions that believe in it.
Here's why your point, while logical, doesn't align with the theological doctrine of original sin:
Original Sin's Origin is Theological, Not Biological: The doctrine of original sin, especially as developed in Western Christianity (particularly by St. Augustine), is a theological concept tied directly to Adam's sin, not Noah's family. The "sin" is the act of disobedience in the Garden of Eden, which is believed to have corrupted human nature itself. This corrupted nature, in the Christian view, is then passed down to all of Adam's descendants, making them prone to sin and in need of salvation. The focus is on the moral and spiritual inheritance from Adam, not the biological consequences of incest.
The Flood Narrative and Incest: Within the Abrahamic traditions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), the story of Noah's Flood is not used to explain the origin of sin. Instead, it is seen as a story of God's judgment on a wicked world and his covenant with Noah to start anew. The issue of incest is not addressed in the biblical or Quranic texts, and it is a question of logistics that theologians and scholars have handled in various ways, often by simply not dwelling on the details of how the population grew. Jewish law, for example, strictly prohibits incest, but acknowledges that such relationships must have occurred in the earliest generations to fulfill the command to "be fruitful and multiply."
The "Original Sin" of Humanity: In traditions that believe in "original sin," it's a condition, not a specific act of incest. The "original sin" is the moral rebellion against God's command in the Garden of Eden. The consequences of that rebellion—a broken relationship with God, suffering, and death—are what are believed to be inherited by all humans.
So, while your thought process is a compelling way to look at the flood story from a biological and societal perspective, it's a separate issue from the theological doctrine of original sin, which is rooted in the story of Adam and the "fall of man."
what was the original sin then.. when eve ate the apple?
In Christian theology, "original sin" is a complex and central concept, but it's not simply the act of Eve eating the forbidden fruit.
The "original sin" is more accurately described as the condition or state of sinfulness that Christians believe all humans are born into. This state is a direct result of the first, or "originating," sin committed by Adam and Eve.
Here's the breakdown of that originating sin:
The Act: The specific act was Adam and Eve's disobedience to a direct command from God. God had told them not to eat from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil." The fruit is popularly called an "apple," but the Bible never specifies the type of fruit.
The Significance: The act of eating the fruit was not a trivial mistake. It represented a desire for humanity to gain knowledge and autonomy that was reserved for God. They chose to define good and evil for themselves rather than obeying God's will. This was an act of pride and rebellion.
The "Original Sin" vs. "The Originating Sin": This is a key distinction. The originating sin was Adam and Eve's specific act of disobedience. The original sin is the inherited consequence of that act for all of humanity—a state of being spiritually separated from God, having a corrupted nature, and being prone to sin.
Adam's Role: While Eve ate the fruit first, the Bible, particularly in the writings of the Apostle Paul, places the blame for the transmission of original sin on Adam. The reasoning is that Adam was the one who received the direct command from God before Eve was created, and he was the head of humanity. His failure to obey is seen as the representative "fall" of the entire human race.
So, in summary, Eve's act of eating the fruit was part of the "originating sin," but the full theological concept of "original sin" is the inherited condition of sinfulness that, according to this doctrine, all of humanity received from Adam's disobedience.
how come adam is taking the bad rap when it's eve who ate the apple
That's a very common question, and it gets to a key point in Christian theology. You're right that Eve was the one who was tempted by the serpent and ate the fruit first. However, Christian tradition and, specifically, the Apostle Paul's writings in the New Testament, place the ultimate responsibility for the "original sin" on Adam.
The main reasons for this are theological and are rooted in the concept of headship or federal headship.
Here's the breakdown:
Adam as the "Head" of Humanity: In this view, Adam was not just an individual; he was the representative, or "head," of the entire human race. When God gave the command not to eat from the tree, He gave it to Adam before Eve was even created. Therefore, Adam was seen as having the ultimate responsibility to obey God and protect the Garden and his family from the serpent's temptation.
Adam's Deliberate Act: The biblical account says that Eve was "deceived" by the serpent. Adam, however, was with her, and in his case, the act is often interpreted as a more deliberate act of rebellion. He was not deceived; he chose to listen to his wife rather than to God's direct command. This is why his disobedience is seen as the "official" act that brought sin into the world.
The Parallel with Christ: The Apostle Paul makes a direct comparison between Adam and Jesus Christ. In his letter to the Romans (Romans 5:12-21), he writes, "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin..." He then goes on to say that "by the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also by the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous." In this theological parallel, Adam is the "first Adam" who brings death, and Christ is the "second Adam" who brings life. For the parallel to work, both the problem and the solution must come through a single representative "man."
So, while Eve's role was crucial and she was the first to act, the theological doctrine of original sin, as it was developed, attributes the guilt and the consequences to Adam because he was considered the covenantal head and representative of all humanity. His disobedience, therefore, had a more far-reaching effect than Eve's.
weren't they already eating apples though before that?
That's an excellent point. You're getting to the heart of the distinction between eating something and eating something that is forbidden.
In the biblical account, Adam and Eve were indeed eating fruit before the forbidden act. God's very first command to humanity in Genesis 1:29 establishes a plant-based diet: "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food." So, they had an abundance of food, including all the other fruits in the garden.
The "original sin" was not the act of eating fruit in general. It was the specific act of disobedience—choosing to eat from the one tree that God had explicitly forbidden. This tree was the "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil."
Think of it this way: a parent might tell a child, "You can have any cookie from the cookie jar, but you are not allowed to touch the one on the top shelf." The child's disobedience is not in eating a cookie, but in violating the parent's specific command.
The sin wasn't about the type of food, but about the act of rebellion against God's clear authority and command.
oh so he said don't eat from that one tree but they could have apples from other trees?
That's an excellent question that gets to the heart of the story. You've hit on a common misconception.
The simple answer is yes, they could have eaten other fruit from other trees, but the fruit they ate from the forbidden tree was very likely not an apple.
Here's the breakdown:
The Apple is a Later Tradition: The Bible, in the book of Genesis, never specifies what kind of fruit it was. It just refers to it as the "fruit of the tree." The popular idea of it being an apple came much later, likely due to a wordplay in Latin. The Latin word for apple is malum, which is very similar to the Latin word for evil, malus. This led to artists and translators associating the fruit with the concept of evil.
God's Command: The biblical text is very clear that God gave Adam and Eve free rein to eat from all the other trees in the Garden of Eden. The command was very specific: "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it..." (Genesis 2:16-17).
So, the sin wasn't about eating fruit in general. It was about choosing to disobey God's one and only negative command—eating from the single tree that was off-limits. They had countless other fruits and plants to eat, but they chose to defy God's will for the sake of forbidden knowledge.
Human genetics were far superior than they are today. Assuming insect would be a problem in Noah's day is stupid and underestimates our previously held good genes.
a) Kaaba aka Kabbalah aka "cube of allah".
b) Cube/cubus/kybos - "six sided die" aka living within the process of dying, while being in-between left/right + up/down + front/back.
c) Circular thinking (logic) turning into conflict (reason) blackens the cube of ones perception within linear progression.
d) A cube has six SQUARE faces; logic enCOMPASSes ones thinking... freemasonry.
You got a red flag here with this shit though, eh.
"A Pre-Islamic Sanctuary: The Kaaba was already a central sanctuary for various Arab tribes, especially those who practiced polytheism. It was a well-known pilgrimage site where people would come annually to worship."
Meaning.. back when they used to sacrifice shit. Now they're using the same place. They used to summon who knows what in there, eh. People would get butchered in there. And it would fire up some negative entities. Wouldn't be surprised if they still do that. And they come in and out from underground. They get all the vibes from this cult to fire things up too. This shit is not good, man.
That black rock's gonna have something to do with this too. Don't they use stones in occult rituals. Let me check. Witches use like gems and things like that.
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do they use rocks minerals etc in occult witchcraft stuff?
Yes, rocks, minerals, and other stones, particularly crystals and gemstones, are very commonly used in occult and witchcraft practices. This use has deep historical roots and is a central element in many modern magical traditions.
Here's a breakdown of how they are used and why:
Belief in Metaphysical Properties: The fundamental idea is that different stones possess unique energies or "vibrations" that can be harnessed. These properties are often associated with the stone's color, its formation, or its historical and cultural significance. For example:
Amethyst is often associated with tranquility, intuition, and spiritual awareness.
Rose Quartz is linked to love, self-love, and emotional healing.
Black Onyx or Black Tourmaline are used for protection and to ward off negative energies.
Clear Quartz is considered a powerful "amplifier" that can enhance the energy of other crystals and intentions.
Tools for Rituals and Spells: Stones are integrated into various magical workings:
Amplifying Intentions: Practitioners may "charge" a crystal with a specific intention (e.g., for prosperity, protection, or healing) and then use it as a focal point in a spell or ritual to amplify the desired outcome.
Creating Sacred Space: Stones can be placed in a circle or other pattern to delineate a ritual space, helping to create a consecrated environment for magical work.
Divination: Some practitioners use crystals for scrying (gazing into a reflective surface like a crystal ball to gain insight) or lithomancy (a form of divination where stones are cast and interpreted).
Amulets and Talismans: Throughout history, and in modern practice, stones have been worn or carried as amulets and talismans.
Amulets are believed to protect the wearer from evil or bad luck.
Talismans are intended to grant specific powers or capabilities, such as courage or good fortune.
This practice is not limited to one specific tradition. The use of stones is found in various forms of folk magic, historical occultism, and modern practices like Wicca and other nature-based spiritual paths. The belief is that these natural objects can serve as a bridge between the physical and spiritual worlds, channeling and focusing energy to achieve a desired outcome.
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yeah.. there's gonna some type of occult power in that fucking rock. It's like some super energy stored in there from all these vibes. lol
This is interesting though.. seems the opposite.
"Black Onyx or Black Tourmaline are used for protection and to ward off negative energies."
I don't like the looks of this fucking rock.. they're using it for something. Plus, metorite.. like what's the fucking deal with this shit.
How about this one..
"Amplifying Intentions: Practitioners may "charge" a crystal with a specific intention (e.g., for prosperity, protection, or healing) and then use it as a focal point in a spell or ritual to amplify the desired outcome."
This fucking thing would be ultra charged up like a motherfucker. lol. Like what the hell do they do with this fucking thing.
When I was doing research about the occult.. was Jessie Czebotar, ex top level mother of darkness, in training, during the 80's. She talked about how these old castles, that you think nothing is going on in them, like the Château des Amerois, or it's called the mother of darkness castle. Underneath them, they'd sacrifice kids. You've got fancy castles around the world, but rich people don't live there anymore. They have tourists come around. They do that, while they have occult rituals underneath them. The vibe of the tourists ramps things up with the rituals. Well.. this one here with the vibe of the black cube and all this shit.. definitely would have some super vibes going on.
The luciferian illuminati worldwide cabal totally took over the vatican. So this religion operation is obviously overtaken by them too. They got everything taken over. So that's what's going on in your fuckin black box. Everything is all this "twisted" opposite of what you think it is.
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A big part of this is the "herd mentality" where all these people are into something and like peer pressure so they gotta be into it to. It's like brain washing.. with the praying 5 times a day.
"Praying five times a day is known as Salah and is a mandatory practice for Muslims, with each prayer corresponding to a specific time of day: Fajr (dawn), Dhuhr (noon), Asr (afternoon), Maghrib (sunset), and Isha (night). These prayers serve to maintain a strong connection with God (Allah), offer spiritual cleansing, and provide a means to stay on the right path, acting as a spiritual dose for the soul.
The Five Daily Prayers Fajr: A prayer performed before sunrise. Dhuhr (Zuhr): The midday prayer, offered after the sun has passed its highest point. Asr ('Asr): The late afternoon prayer. Maghrib: The prayer performed at sunset. Isha: The nighttime prayer."
Do they have to get up before sunrise. This shit is like a fucking cult, man.
"Herd mentality is the tendency to conform to the behavior, beliefs, or attitudes of a group, often at the expense of personal judgment. Also known as mob mentality, this phenomenon can lead to collective decisions that differ from an individual's own beliefs, influencing areas like fashion, politics, and investing. While it can foster a sense of belonging, herd mentality can also suppress independent thought and lead to poor group decisions, making it crucial to practice critical thinking and seek diverse perspectives."
And then they gotta circle around this thing seven times.
Let's get into it with this fucking rock here.
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what do they need the Kaaba for, during religious stuff?
The Kaaba, a cube-shaped building in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, is the holiest site in Islam. Its purpose during religious practices is central to the faith. Here's what they need it for:
Direction of Prayer (Qibla): Muslims around the world face the Kaaba five times a day during their prayers (Salat). This act of facing a single point unites the global Muslim community in worship, regardless of their location. It's a symbolic way of showing unity and submission to one God.
Pilgrimage (Hajj and Umrah): The Kaaba is the focal point of the Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca that is a pillar of Islam, and the Umrah, a non-mandatory pilgrimage. A key ritual of these pilgrimages is the Tawaf, which involves walking around the Kaaba seven times in a counter-clockwise direction. This act symbolizes the unity of believers orbiting a central point of worship, similar to the planets orbiting the sun.
The Kaaba is not worshipped itself. Muslims believe it was the first house of worship on Earth, originally built by the prophet Adam and later rebuilt by the prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) and his son Ismail. It is a symbol of the oneness of God and a spiritual center for all Muslims.
what about that black rock on it.. what's the deal with that?
The "black rock" you're referring to is the Ḥajar al-Aswad, or the Black Stone. It's an important and revered part of the Kaaba, located in its eastern corner.
Here's a breakdown of its significance:
A Relic from Pre-Islamic Times: The Black Stone has a long history and was venerated even before the rise of Islam. According to Islamic tradition, it dates back to the time of Adam and Eve and was placed in its current position by the Prophet Muhammad himself, years before his first revelation.
Symbolic Starting Point of Circumambulation (Tawaf): The Black Stone serves as the starting and ending point for the seven circumambulations (Tawaf) around the Kaaba during the Hajj and Umrah pilgrimages. Pilgrims are encouraged to touch or kiss the stone as they pass by, emulating the Prophet Muhammad. If the crowd is too dense to reach it, they can simply point to it.
Not an Object of Worship: It's very important to note that the Black Stone is not worshipped by Muslims. Its veneration is an act of following the tradition of the Prophet Muhammad and is seen as a way to seek a direct connection with God. A famous quote from the second Caliph, Umar ibn al-Khattab, encapsulates this idea: "I know that you are a stone, you do not cause harm or benefit; and if it were not that I had seen Allah's Messenger kiss you, I would never have kissed you."
Origin and Appearance: The Black Stone is believed to have been brought from Paradise and was originally white, but it turned black due to absorbing the sins of humanity. It is not a single piece, but a fragmented rock held together by a silver frame. While some speculate that it may be a meteorite, no scientific analysis has been allowed due to its religious significance.
you're saying this black rock was put in the cube before mohammed even downloaded the quran?
Yes, that is correct. According to Islamic tradition, the Black Stone was placed in the Kaaba by the Prophet Muhammad about five years before he received the first revelations of the Quran.
Here's the timeline to clarify:
Circa 605 CE: The Kaaba was damaged by a flood and the Meccan clans decided to rebuild it. A dispute arose over who would have the honor of placing the Black Stone back in its corner. At the time, Muhammad was around 35 years old, well-known and respected for his wisdom and integrity, but not yet a prophet. He was chosen to arbitrate the dispute and, using a clever solution that involved all the clans, he personally placed the stone in its position.
Circa 610 CE: The first verses of the Quran were revealed to Muhammad by the Angel Gabriel in a cave on Mount Hira. This is considered the beginning of his prophethood.
So, the Black Stone was indeed part of the Kaaba and a revered object long before the first revelations of the Quran began. This highlights its ancient and symbolic status in Islamic history.
so there was already a kaaba even before the whole religion started? This black box room that nobody's allowed to go in?
That's an excellent question that gets to the heart of the Kaaba's history. Yes, the Kaaba existed as a major religious site long before the advent of Islam.
Here's a summary of its status during the pre-Islamic era:
A Pre-Islamic Sanctuary: The Kaaba was already a central sanctuary for various Arab tribes, especially those who practiced polytheism. It was a well-known pilgrimage site where people would come annually to worship.
Housing Idols: At the time of the Prophet Muhammad's birth, the Kaaba was filled with hundreds of idols representing the various gods of the Arabian Peninsula's tribes. One of the principal idols was a statue of the god Hubal.
Access to the Interior: The Kaaba was not a "room nobody's allowed to go in" during this time. The various pagan tribes who managed the site and the pilgrims who visited would have had access to the interior to perform their rituals and worship the idols.
According to Islamic tradition, this was a corruption of the Kaaba's original purpose. Muslims believe the Kaaba was originally built as a monotheistic house of worship by the prophet Abraham (Ibrahim) and his son Ishmael (Ismail) for the worship of one God. Over time, that original purpose was lost, and the Kaaba became filled with idols.
When Muhammad and his followers conquered Mecca in 630 CE, one of their first acts was to enter the Kaaba and symbolically "cleanse" it of all the idols, returning it to the monotheistic purpose they believe it was intended for. Since then, the Kaaba has been an exclusive place of worship for Muslims, and only a select few individuals, typically officials and caretakers, are allowed to enter it for specific purposes like cleaning.
so what the hell does it got to do with it, when it was there before he got the download from the angel gabriel?
That's the central question. From the Islamic perspective, the Kaaba's existence before the Prophet Muhammad's "download" from the Angel Gabriel isn't a contradiction; it's a critical part of its significance.
Here's the key:
Restoration, Not Creation: Muslims believe that Muhammad's mission, and the revelation of the Quran, was not to create a new religion but to restore the original, pure monotheism of the prophets who came before him, especially Abraham (Ibrahim). The Kaaba is seen as the physical symbol of that original faith.
Reclaiming a Sacred Site: According to Islamic tradition, the Kaaba was first built by the prophet Adam, and then later rebuilt by the prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael (Ismail) for the worship of the one true God. However, over centuries, the site was corrupted by the surrounding pagan tribes who filled it with idols.
Fulfilling its Original Purpose: When Muhammad and his followers returned to Mecca in 630 CE, they cleansed the Kaaba of these idols. This act was a powerful symbol of returning the sanctuary to its original, monotheistic purpose, just as Abraham had intended. Therefore, the Kaaba wasn't adopted from a pagan religion; it was rescued from it.
In short, the Kaaba's pre-Islamic history, from the Islamic viewpoint, is a story of a sacred site that had fallen into idol worship and was then returned to its rightful purpose as the "House of God." It serves as a physical link between the Prophet Muhammad's message and the prophets of the past.
ok so this thing was around before the quran.. and it's abraham who put together this black cube box. But it's mohammed who found this black metorite and put it in the outside corner?
Your summary is getting very close to the traditional Islamic account, but there are a few important distinctions to clarify.
Here's the breakdown, based on what Muslims believe and what historical and academic sources suggest:
Was the Kaaba there before the Quran? Yes, absolutely. The Kaaba was a pagan sanctuary in Mecca for centuries before the advent of Islam. This is a point of agreement between traditional Islamic sources and secular historical scholarship.
Did Abraham build the black cube box? This is a central belief in Islam, but it's not supported by non-Islamic historical or archaeological evidence.
According to Islamic tradition: The Kaaba was first built by the Prophet Adam and then rebuilt by the Prophet Abraham (Ibrahim) and his son Ishmael (Ismail) as the first house of monotheistic worship. The Quran mentions Abraham and Ishmael raising the foundations of the House.
According to secular history: There is no mention of Abraham visiting Mecca or building the Kaaba in any pre-Islamic texts, including the Bible or other historical accounts. The association of Abraham with the Kaaba is an Islamic tradition that developed later.
The Black Stone's Origin: Islamic tradition holds that the Black Stone came from Paradise. There is a common theory, though unproven due to a lack of scientific analysis, that it is a meteorite.
Muhammad's Role: Muhammad did not "find" the stone. The Black Stone was already a revered object in the Kaaba when the pagan Quraysh tribe was rebuilding the structure. A dispute arose over who would have the honor of placing the Black Stone back in its corner. To prevent a fight, the Quraysh chose Muhammad—who was respected for his wisdom and integrity—to mediate. He ingeniously had each clan leader hold a corner of a cloth and together they carried the stone to its position, where he then placed it in the wall himself. This happened around 605 CE, about five years before he received his first revelation.
So, to summarize the traditional Islamic perspective: The Kaaba was originally built by Abraham, but over centuries, it fell into paganism. When it was rebuilt shortly before his prophethood, Muhammad was the one who placed the ancient and revered Black Stone in the wall, an act that is seen as part of his destiny to restore the Kaaba to its original, Abrahamic purpose.
who's this prophet adam.. not the adam and eve guy
That's an insightful question, and the answer highlights a key difference between the Islamic tradition and what is often found in other Abrahamic faiths.
In Islam, the prophet Adam (Arabic: ʾĀdam) is indeed the same figure as the Adam from the story of Adam and Eve. However, his role and the details of his story have a specific emphasis.
The First Human and the First Prophet: In Islamic theology, Adam is not only considered the first human being but also the first prophet sent by God. This is a crucial distinction. All prophets, from Adam to Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and finally Muhammad, are believed to have preached the same fundamental message of submission to one God (Allah). Adam's story in the Quran, therefore, is not just about the creation of man, but about the very beginning of prophethood and God's plan for humanity.
No Concept of "Original Sin": Unlike some Christian theological traditions, Islam does not have the concept of "original sin" that is passed down through generations. According to the Quran, Adam and his wife (known as Hawwāʾ in Islamic tradition, though not named in the Quran itself) both took responsibility for their error of eating from the forbidden tree. They immediately repented, and God forgave them. Their expulsion from paradise was not a punishment for an unforgivable sin, but rather a part of God's original plan for humanity to live on Earth as His caretakers.
So, in the Islamic narrative, Prophet Adam is not a separate person from the "Adam and Eve guy." He is the same foundational figure, but his story is interpreted through the lens of divine guidance and the establishment of a long line of prophets, all of whom shared the same core message.
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What prophesies did Adam ever prophesy?? Muslims taking the word "Prophet" in vain??
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what do the jews have to say about the adam and eve stuff.. that should be in there cause it's like the old testament, right
You're absolutely right to make that connection. The story of Adam and Eve is found in the Book of Genesis, which is the first book of the Hebrew Bible (the Tanakh) and the Christian Old Testament.
Jewish tradition has a rich and complex perspective on the story of Adam and Eve, which differs in some significant ways from common Christian and Islamic interpretations.
Here are some of the key points about the Jewish view:
No "Original Sin": This is the most crucial difference. Jewish theology does not contain the concept of "original sin," where all of humanity inherits a sinful nature from Adam's transgression. While Adam's action is seen as a mistake that brought negative consequences into the world (such as death and the need for work), it does not condemn all of his descendants. The focus in Judaism is on an individual's personal responsibility for their own choices and actions.
The Nature of the Sin: The "sin" of Adam and Eve is seen less as a catastrophic rebellion and more as an act of disobedience that caused a profound shift in the human condition. By eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, humanity gained moral awareness and a deeper understanding of the world, but this came at the cost of their perfect, innocent state.
The Role of the Serpent: In Jewish tradition, the serpent is a symbol of evil inclination (yetzer hara) within humanity, but it is not explicitly identified with Satan, as it is in many Christian traditions. The serpent's purpose is to tempt and test, not to bring about a "fall" from grace.
Midrashic Interpretations: The story in Genesis is relatively brief, and over the centuries, Jewish sages (rabbis) have filled in the gaps with detailed interpretations known as Midrash. These commentaries explore the deeper meanings of the text and offer a variety of perspectives. For example, some Midrashic texts suggest that the original human was a single androgynous being that was later divided into two genders. Other interpretations explore the character of Adam as a profound philosopher or a humble servant of God.
In essence, the Jewish perspective on Adam and Eve is not about a "fall from grace" that requires a divine sacrifice for redemption. Instead, it's a foundational story that explains the complexities of human nature, the origin of moral choice, and the inherent, lifelong struggle between good and evil inclinations.
i'll tell you where an "original sin," comes from.. it's when you've got the flood and the population gets rebuilt from only noah's family.. meaning incest going on.
That's an interesting and provocative idea, and it's a common line of thinking when people consider the logistics of the Genesis flood narrative. You're pointing out a logical problem: if the entire population of the world was wiped out except for Noah, his wife, his three sons, and their wives, then the repopulation of the earth would necessarily have to involve incest.
While this is a valid observation from a purely logical and biological standpoint, it's not the theological basis for the concept of "original sin" in the traditions that believe in it.
Here's why your point, while logical, doesn't align with the theological doctrine of original sin:
Original Sin's Origin is Theological, Not Biological: The doctrine of original sin, especially as developed in Western Christianity (particularly by St. Augustine), is a theological concept tied directly to Adam's sin, not Noah's family. The "sin" is the act of disobedience in the Garden of Eden, which is believed to have corrupted human nature itself. This corrupted nature, in the Christian view, is then passed down to all of Adam's descendants, making them prone to sin and in need of salvation. The focus is on the moral and spiritual inheritance from Adam, not the biological consequences of incest.
The Flood Narrative and Incest: Within the Abrahamic traditions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), the story of Noah's Flood is not used to explain the origin of sin. Instead, it is seen as a story of God's judgment on a wicked world and his covenant with Noah to start anew. The issue of incest is not addressed in the biblical or Quranic texts, and it is a question of logistics that theologians and scholars have handled in various ways, often by simply not dwelling on the details of how the population grew. Jewish law, for example, strictly prohibits incest, but acknowledges that such relationships must have occurred in the earliest generations to fulfill the command to "be fruitful and multiply."
The "Original Sin" of Humanity: In traditions that believe in "original sin," it's a condition, not a specific act of incest. The "original sin" is the moral rebellion against God's command in the Garden of Eden. The consequences of that rebellion—a broken relationship with God, suffering, and death—are what are believed to be inherited by all humans.
So, while your thought process is a compelling way to look at the flood story from a biological and societal perspective, it's a separate issue from the theological doctrine of original sin, which is rooted in the story of Adam and the "fall of man."
what was the original sin then.. when eve ate the apple?
In Christian theology, "original sin" is a complex and central concept, but it's not simply the act of Eve eating the forbidden fruit.
The "original sin" is more accurately described as the condition or state of sinfulness that Christians believe all humans are born into. This state is a direct result of the first, or "originating," sin committed by Adam and Eve.
Here's the breakdown of that originating sin:
The Act: The specific act was Adam and Eve's disobedience to a direct command from God. God had told them not to eat from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil." The fruit is popularly called an "apple," but the Bible never specifies the type of fruit.
The Significance: The act of eating the fruit was not a trivial mistake. It represented a desire for humanity to gain knowledge and autonomy that was reserved for God. They chose to define good and evil for themselves rather than obeying God's will. This was an act of pride and rebellion.
The "Original Sin" vs. "The Originating Sin": This is a key distinction. The originating sin was Adam and Eve's specific act of disobedience. The original sin is the inherited consequence of that act for all of humanity—a state of being spiritually separated from God, having a corrupted nature, and being prone to sin.
Adam's Role: While Eve ate the fruit first, the Bible, particularly in the writings of the Apostle Paul, places the blame for the transmission of original sin on Adam. The reasoning is that Adam was the one who received the direct command from God before Eve was created, and he was the head of humanity. His failure to obey is seen as the representative "fall" of the entire human race.
So, in summary, Eve's act of eating the fruit was part of the "originating sin," but the full theological concept of "original sin" is the inherited condition of sinfulness that, according to this doctrine, all of humanity received from Adam's disobedience.
how come adam is taking the bad rap when it's eve who ate the apple
That's a very common question, and it gets to a key point in Christian theology. You're right that Eve was the one who was tempted by the serpent and ate the fruit first. However, Christian tradition and, specifically, the Apostle Paul's writings in the New Testament, place the ultimate responsibility for the "original sin" on Adam.
The main reasons for this are theological and are rooted in the concept of headship or federal headship.
Here's the breakdown:
Adam as the "Head" of Humanity: In this view, Adam was not just an individual; he was the representative, or "head," of the entire human race. When God gave the command not to eat from the tree, He gave it to Adam before Eve was even created. Therefore, Adam was seen as having the ultimate responsibility to obey God and protect the Garden and his family from the serpent's temptation.
Adam's Deliberate Act: The biblical account says that Eve was "deceived" by the serpent. Adam, however, was with her, and in his case, the act is often interpreted as a more deliberate act of rebellion. He was not deceived; he chose to listen to his wife rather than to God's direct command. This is why his disobedience is seen as the "official" act that brought sin into the world.
The Parallel with Christ: The Apostle Paul makes a direct comparison between Adam and Jesus Christ. In his letter to the Romans (Romans 5:12-21), he writes, "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin..." He then goes on to say that "by the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also by the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous." In this theological parallel, Adam is the "first Adam" who brings death, and Christ is the "second Adam" who brings life. For the parallel to work, both the problem and the solution must come through a single representative "man."
So, while Eve's role was crucial and she was the first to act, the theological doctrine of original sin, as it was developed, attributes the guilt and the consequences to Adam because he was considered the covenantal head and representative of all humanity. His disobedience, therefore, had a more far-reaching effect than Eve's.
weren't they already eating apples though before that?
That's an excellent point. You're getting to the heart of the distinction between eating something and eating something that is forbidden.
In the biblical account, Adam and Eve were indeed eating fruit before the forbidden act. God's very first command to humanity in Genesis 1:29 establishes a plant-based diet: "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food." So, they had an abundance of food, including all the other fruits in the garden.
The "original sin" was not the act of eating fruit in general. It was the specific act of disobedience—choosing to eat from the one tree that God had explicitly forbidden. This tree was the "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil."
Think of it this way: a parent might tell a child, "You can have any cookie from the cookie jar, but you are not allowed to touch the one on the top shelf." The child's disobedience is not in eating a cookie, but in violating the parent's specific command.
The sin wasn't about the type of food, but about the act of rebellion against God's clear authority and command.
oh so he said don't eat from that one tree but they could have apples from other trees?
That's an excellent question that gets to the heart of the story. You've hit on a common misconception.
The simple answer is yes, they could have eaten other fruit from other trees, but the fruit they ate from the forbidden tree was very likely not an apple.
Here's the breakdown:
The Apple is a Later Tradition: The Bible, in the book of Genesis, never specifies what kind of fruit it was. It just refers to it as the "fruit of the tree." The popular idea of it being an apple came much later, likely due to a wordplay in Latin. The Latin word for apple is malum, which is very similar to the Latin word for evil, malus. This led to artists and translators associating the fruit with the concept of evil.
God's Command: The biblical text is very clear that God gave Adam and Eve free rein to eat from all the other trees in the Garden of Eden. The command was very specific: "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it..." (Genesis 2:16-17).
So, the sin wasn't about eating fruit in general. It was about choosing to disobey God's one and only negative command—eating from the single tree that was off-limits. They had countless other fruits and plants to eat, but they chose to defy God's will for the sake of forbidden knowledge.
Human genetics were far superior than they are today. Assuming insect would be a problem in Noah's day is stupid and underestimates our previously held good genes.
interesting point, they did live to be much older......
I wonder if we'll ever get back to that point. life expectancy has only decreased
incest was approved after the flood but later forbidden in leviticus and has been ever since. technically we are all products of incest