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Israel Is Behind Hamas - Documentary
posted 346 days ago by Redsky 346 days ago by Redsky +14 / -0

Part 1 (HAMAS is a creation of Israel) https://files.catbox.moe/pb8rx2.mp4

Part 2 (The Iron dome is a hoax) https://files.catbox.moe/ywea0h.mp4

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– SmithW1984 1 point 346 days ago +1 / -0

Thanks for sharing but the hosting is shit. I can't watch and downloading 130mb takes 10-20mins.

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– turtlebam 1 point 345 days ago +2 / -1

Sorry I didn't watch it all but from the few minutes of the first part all I found was red herrings from an American who is probably well intentioned but who really doesn't know anything about the region and history of it.

Was Hamas PREFERRED and supported in its infancy by the Israelis? Yes. They did it at the time to counter the PLO and ruin what little Arafat was able to wring out of the Jews.

Was Hamas infiltrated and had people working for Jews? Yes. Just like you would expect any insurgency. Jews continued to prefer Hamas because it would give them excuse to destroy Gaza.

BUT knowing all that doesn't mean that the level of control Jews had over Hamas is anything like what the creator of the documentary supposes.

Just quick points.

-In the documentary at 4 min and 30 sec he shows that Hamas having Hebrew letters on their truck in a military demo is somehow proof they are working for them. Not really if you know how things go there. This is directed at the Israeli public and it really does say something like "What's coming for you is greater"! The whole purpose parade was to scare Jews. Jews who work in the shabak and mossad in particular.

-At around 3 min He is also somehow impressed about tactical gear, uniforms, masks and such. For a start. A lot of stuff did go into Gaza from Egypt tunnels. ESPECIALLY during Morsi's rule. The anti-aircraft missiles and kornet missiles all got in through the tunnels when Morsi ruled. When Mubarak ruled they also used to get stuff in. Also how hard do you think it is to sew some of those fatigues or tactical gears?

-At around 1:33 he brings up a Saudi news website. talking about the "brother in law" of Hamas PM. Have anyone really stopped to think about this? This is the brother in law. For all we know the Hamas PM could be on bad terms or anything with him. And do you think those on Gaza wouldn't know about this before some American citing a Saudi news website. Also many Palestinians do get treatment inside Israel. Just so you know there is nothing so special about it. And Hamas PM is the talking diplomatic guy which doesn't know any secrets. That said Jews later killed that PM after killing most of his children and grandchildren. And then to add insult to injury at around 7:19 he brings up the fact about Mahmoud Abbas the current PLO leader and his relatives treatment in Israel.... Dear lord this is too much. Whoever created this must be completely out of the loop or paid to do it. Mahmoud Abbas basically works for the Israelis and everyone knows about it but the creator of the doc goes on saying "terrorists leader families...."??

-At around 5:40 he finds it strange that many learn Hebrew there? Really? It's the same in the west bank. Many Palestinian workers do work inside Israel you know and even those who don't would have to deal with Jews to import stuff and coordinate etc..

Perhaps it's all well intentioned but really the work of someone who doesn't know much about the reality of the situation. Maybe the Israelis do indeed have greater infiltration into Hamas at all levels. But this documentary shows nothing of importance.

It also whitewashes all the fighting those Palestinian fighters have done so far. And it's not just Hamas. You also have Saraya al Quds (Islamic Jehad), Al Aqsa Martyrs (Fatah) and a whole bunch of other resistance orgs.

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– Redsky [S] 4 points 345 days ago +4 / -0

Thanks, I appreciate your thoughtful feedback

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– turtlebam 2 points 345 days ago +2 / -0

Feel free to ask any questions. Not sure if I was heavy handed in my reply or if you are the creator of the documentary. It's just that at this moment as we speak there are still Palestinian fighters giving everything they have to fight the Jew and I wouldn't want to discredit them completely even if there are some infiltration at the very top. They are still doing a phenomenal job still fighting one year and a half later. The Palestinians have been organizing against the Jew for about a 100 years so you would think they know a thing or two.

Also I used to have certain opinions about Saddam and Hitler for example being puppets and what not but my later conclusions taught me that it's more complicated.

The Jew places the person they want in a position of power and does not necessarily move all the strings. Upper echelon Jews understand human personalities and motives and could get what they want without micro management and sometimes things do not go completely their way. Had Hitler or Saddam acted a little differently they may have put the Jews in a difficult spot.

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– Redsky [S] 3 points 344 days ago +3 / -0

You bring up good points. Not sure if you saw the part about HAMAS rockets fired into Israel being fake which is a compelling argument I've watched on several other documentaries.

Palestinian fighters giving everything they have to fight the Jew

This perplexes me. I'm confused how Palestinian fighters are supporting HAMAS when it's clear (a) Israel Created Hamas (b) HAMAS has been infiltrating by MOSSAD for years (c) HAMAS receives money from Netanyahu (d) October 7th couldn't have happened without significant Israeli support

I really believe HAMAS is merely controlled Israeli opposition.

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– turtlebam 1 point 342 days ago +1 / -0

Just to share all views. Not sure if you would be interested but this guy over here proposes that Yahya Al-Sinwar of Hamas could still be alive and was working with the Israelis all along. You will have to turn on auto translate. He says it around 16 min: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16W9DmtX2Ok

This guy in the video (Nidal Al-Sabeh) is the son of a well known Palestinian activist who was assassinated by Israel after several attempts.

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– Redsky [S] 2 points 342 days ago +2 / -0

Thank you for sharing. To me it's very clear that Israel is getting everything they want as HAMAS is positioned to be the scapegoat/excuse for Israeli action. As such, I don't entertain the idea that HAMAS is operating independently of Israeli interests. The only plausible explanation is that HAMAS is controlled opposition.

Now, we can debate what 'controlled opposition' means and how controlled the organization is (e.g. 100%, 80% 70%) but I in no way believe HAMAS is independent of Israeli intelligence agencies. Just as I as in no way believe Zelenskyy (Jewish) is acting independently and not in the interest of Jewish / Israeli interests.

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– turtlebam 2 points 342 days ago +2 / -0

Agreed. There could of course be even bigger things at play here! For all we know this all could be part of a bigger Islamization process that will involve Turkey and revolutions in Egypt and Jordan connecting with Syria. It's very difficult to know what the actual plan is. Their plans are usually long term.

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– turtlebam 1 point 344 days ago +1 / -0

If you have already made up your mind it will be hard to nudge it whatever I say. Let's just note that the way someone in America, living a comfortable consumer life in a post religion society is not the way those in Gaza on the ground see things.

You have on one end normie understanding of things and on another the conspiratorial understanding. The conspiratorial understanding has been as subverted as the normie one! Things you think you know for a certainty because everyone in conspiracy circles repeats is not necessarily true. The truth may be something completely different.

(A) Again, Israel did prefer Hamas but this most certainly does not mean they created it from scratch! Or that they created the concept of armed resistance in Palestine. You have to understand that those in Gaza KNOW the leaders of Hamas, they know their relatives and they know a lot more about them that anyone else. A lot of people in Gaza are packed in a small space. Everyone knows everyone.

(B) Hamas has been infiltrated AND Hamas on the other hand infiltrated Israel with false spies and false info. It goes both ways. Again of course. It's not just Hamas. There are a dozen other factions. You are just imagining it as it was another Mossad department and even if it were infiltrated there are certain limits to how much they can steer things.

(C) Oh yes. It's so obvious isn't? No, not really. This has been pushed ad-infinitum in conspiracy circles by noobs. For a start that money was given to avoid a complete collapse of the population in Gaza. That money was mostly funneled back into Israel to purchase imports. To make it short. Gaza is a prison and Jews did indeed give the people basic sustenance. Through that aid money AND through allowing Palestinian workers into Israel. There are a lot of details that I don't have time to write but I implore you to at least consider that those in Gaza are NOT as stupid as they may appear and that those in conspiracy circles do not necessarily have everything figured out.

About the rockets. Do you for example know who was Jamal al-Zebda? Or Mohamed Zouari? Palestine defense forces rockets may indeed by ineffective in military terms but the Palestinians knew that but it served their purpose of annoying Israel. Iron Dome may indeed be ineffective. But being an ineffective corrupt project is one thing and being all fake is another. You must consider that some of those documentaries may look amateurish but some of them have been pushed by CIA/Mossad to mislead in clever ways.

Most of these points are pushed by Miles Mathis BTW who is 100% Mossad/CIA.

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