Thanks! The reason I asked is that S is said to be supposedly Seb or Set, but these sound like modern theorizing when Serapis would be the natural completion of the pantheon. Yet all three are speculative. There is both this pagan route and the very obscure macaronic Christian route that later became "IHS XPS", and it seems the conflation didn't favor the Christians.
"Oserapis" is confirmed 666 with omicron, I've seen it as Osoroapis; "O" would be elided as sounding like an article. Alexander worship is probably derivative from the Great; I can imagine true Christians countering by titling Jesus "Defender of Man", but I wouldn't phrase it as above. Any interpretation of IHS plus cross as "IHTIS" meaning ichthus would be very specious and probably late derivative, not from the primitives. I'm less interested in the pre-Nicene revivalists and Masons.
The smoking gun would be some demonstration that IHS was in pagan use and flowed into Christian use, or alternatively some demonstration that Christians had a legitimate route to abbreviate Jesus as IHS before the pagans got to it. Neither of those have turned up.
When John Paul Jones won the Battle of Flamborough Head after allegedly declaring "I have not yet begun to fight", the ship he seized from Britain was the Serapis.
This whole luciferian conspiracy goes way back to ancient Mesopotamia, and started with the first antichrist Nimrod/Marduk/Gilgamesh/Ninurta/Ninĝirsu (probably way older than 3300 BC), he was later known as Osiris in Egypt (around 2500 BC) and Ptolemy I Soter changed his name to Serapis around 305-284 BC.
The original conspiracy lives on and will not be put down entirely. The unholy trinity started out as Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz, but took on other names in different societies; as Osiris, Isis and Horus in Egypt, for example. In Christianity it took the form of mother-child worship by the deification of Mary in doctrines like the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption . Note 1
With Nimrod gone back to heaven, Semiramis and Tammuz were the powers on earth. Semiramis took to herself the exalted position of being both wife and mother of God and therefore became the focal point of all worship and arguably the most powerful deity of the three. She had a connection with the “father” in heaven and the “anointed reincarnation” of god on earth. She was the “Queen of Heaven “, mother of “god” and the real power to be reckoned with. What position could be more exalted than being mother and wife of “god”? The Roman Catholic Church has given her just such an exalted position in spite of the fact that it has no Scriptural basis for it. Mother and child worship sprang out of this abominable form of worship. The child was deified in all cultures, as was the mother. Mary worship in Christianity has its roots in the pagan religion of Semiramis and Nimrod. The ludicrous, unbiblical worship of the infant Jesus has its origins in Tammuz worship. In Egypt, Assyria, Greece and Rome mother/child worship became a blasphemous mainstay of its religion and connected with all kinds of lewd and immoral rituals so shameful that most historians are embarrassed to detail them in print. Sadly, mother/child adoration is one of The Whore’s greatest intoxicating mysteries that have made billions of believers drunk on the wine of false religion. This abomination has become a primary institution in Christianity’s largest denomination; its roots are unquestionably traced to the very beginnings of Mystery Babylon.
Nimrod had promised to throw off the shackles of God for the people. And they were of one accord. Their power must have been immense. It is the reason why God made one of the most dire statements of the entire Bible when he said, “now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do“. For thousands of years this statement may have seemed a mystery to the faithful. What could God have possibly meant? Anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear in the twentieth century can understand this without much of a problem. Man can travel underwater and into outer space; he can blow the world to smithereens in a single hour; he can replace a man’s heart or give him an artificial limb. And now he can duplicate a living creature with nothing more than a test tube and an available womb. The male of any given kind, including man, is no longer necessary for the procreation of the species. Creation is turned upside down by the combined efforts of man and his wonderful intellect and knowledge. All this is made possible by the enormous power of man’s God-given mind and when he comes together for unholy purposes. That is why God was alarmed when He saw the people come together and decided to split them apart for the sake of salvation.
Very good, and I used to take Hislop for 100%, but nowadays I somewhat adjust his work via later discoveries. I think, for good etymological and historical reasons, that Nimrod was Naram-Sin of Akkad (amazing sculpture), 2275?-2218. His triad with wife and son didn't refer to his real unnamed wife and his heir Shar-Kali-Sharri, but to the extant gods Inanna and Dumuzid (later Tammuz). Nimrod claimed the attributes of the powerful Dumuzid when alive, and Tammuz represented the attributes of the impotent Dumuzid (Orpheus) in the underworld. From the link by Terry M. Smith: "Nimrod would greatly refine the blasphemous hoax of pagan religion and enshrine himself as lead deity and savior in a false trinity. He would attach to it a system of mystery rites and filthy carnal sacraments that would serve as the religious actions and conduct for 'Mystery Babylon'. Like a chameleon this system could be adaptable to the vain imaginings of man and the particulars of any culture so as to suit the customs, climate or agricultural needs of any peoples anywhere."
Gilgamesh traditional builder of Uruk, Sumerian Bilgamesh, was probably a prediluvian who was popularized and deified in 2000s Sumer; since he allegedly fought with the son of Mebarasi of Kish (the oldest ruler verified from the Sumerian King List), he is placed in the 2600s. It would be natural at that time to overlay this Sumerian legend onto the Akkadian Namar-Sin legend.
The historical Shamshi-Adad (called Ninus for subduing Nineveh), 850?-811, and Shammuramat (Semiramis), 850?-798, solidified the extant cult with their young son Adad-Nirari, 811?-783, who Semiramis substituted for Tammuz. Obviously also worshippers of Hadad the storm god. (The 19th-century idea that Semiramis and Nimrod were married is an unnecessary mistake, arising from the similarity between Nimrod and the extant Ninus legend associated with kings like Shamshi-Adad, plus Nimrod's wife being anonymous.) Semiramis's work gets you directly to the ladies-first Isis-Horus-Serapis triad.
That's the human side. On the deified side, Marduk son of Enki was the Old Babylonian Amarutu, 1800s, identified with Hadad, the Eblaite Hadda, 2300s or earlier. Osiris is also dated 2500-2300, of which I favor the last half-century (5th dynasty). Ninurta (agricultural, 2600s, Nippur, temple built by Mebarasi) and Ningursi (military, 2100s, Lagash, temple built by Gudea) were merged together easily as the son of Enlil. Because of the extreme rivalry between Enlil and Enki, I have to separate Ninurta-Ningursi out from the rest of the list Nimrod-Marduk-Gilgamesh, despite the claimed lingual similarity, because Nimrod became Zeus-Jupiter, but Ninurta became Cronus-Saturn. You are right (thanks) that Serapis was the Greco-Egyptian syncretism of Ptolemy Soter c. 300, originally Wsjr-Hp (Osiris-Apis), but I note this also appears calculated to bring in a title of Enki/Ea as well, Sar-Apsi (which we could call "czar Abzu", lord of the abyss), found in the Talmud as Sarapis.
Of all these names, Dumuzid seems the likeliest to go back the farthest, into the fourth millennium BC, given the SKL. See, there are several layers before Nimrod's Babel, even though Babylon is a convenient name for them all. From the link: "False religion, and therefore Mystery Babylon’s foundations, were laid as early as the Garden of Eden and the expulsion that took place there and the subsequent Satanic conspiracy of the fallen angels of the Antediluvian Era which nearly provoked God into destroying the entire human race. From passages in Genesis six we understand that some of the fallen angels had left their first estate in heaven and had taken on the likeness of human flesh so they could cohabit with the daughters of men and create a dominant race of half‑man, half‑god supermen who would rule on earth as 'gods'. As studies in comparative religion show, a belief in false religion was imbedded in the hearts of Man and established world‑wide."
When we get to Christianity, of course there's a heterodox segment that gives Mary-Miriam full divine worship; the rest of the church is left with the very interesting (Jesuitic) question of how much hyperdulia can be given to a human, seeing as humans get dulia (service) all the time without it counting as full divine worship (e.g. the NT's words for "worship" to baby Jesus are all used with respect to other humans). That is, it must be judged whether the casuistry of how to serve Miriam is sufficiently separated from logolatry such as offered to Zeus and Hermes. For our purposes, though, more important is to judge the degree to which the true Creator's pattern (in forming mothers and children) is partially revealed in advance of corruption and the degree to which counterfeiters guess ahead or copycat behind that true pattern. (Which is why I'm tracking whether IHS has any real connection with Jesus.)
Thanks! The reason I asked is that S is said to be supposedly Seb or Set, but these sound like modern theorizing when Serapis would be the natural completion of the pantheon. Yet all three are speculative. There is both this pagan route and the very obscure macaronic Christian route that later became "IHS XPS", and it seems the conflation didn't favor the Christians.
"Oserapis" is confirmed 666 with omicron, I've seen it as Osoroapis; "O" would be elided as sounding like an article. Alexander worship is probably derivative from the Great; I can imagine true Christians countering by titling Jesus "Defender of Man", but I wouldn't phrase it as above. Any interpretation of IHS plus cross as "IHTIS" meaning ichthus would be very specious and probably late derivative, not from the primitives. I'm less interested in the pre-Nicene revivalists and Masons.
The smoking gun would be some demonstration that IHS was in pagan use and flowed into Christian use, or alternatively some demonstration that Christians had a legitimate route to abbreviate Jesus as IHS before the pagans got to it. Neither of those have turned up.
When John Paul Jones won the Battle of Flamborough Head after allegedly declaring "I have not yet begun to fight", the ship he seized from Britain was the Serapis.
This whole luciferian conspiracy goes way back to ancient Mesopotamia, and started with the first antichrist Nimrod/Marduk/Gilgamesh/Ninurta/Ninĝirsu (probably way older than 3300 BC), he was later known as Osiris in Egypt (around 2500 BC) and Ptolemy I Soter changed his name to Serapis around 305-284 BC.
https://www.elishasoutcasteagles.com/nimrod-father-to-the-mother-of-harlots-2500-bce/
Very good, and I used to take Hislop for 100%, but nowadays I somewhat adjust his work via later discoveries. I think, for good etymological and historical reasons, that Nimrod was Naram-Sin of Akkad (amazing sculpture), 2275?-2218. His triad with wife and son didn't refer to his real unnamed wife and his heir Shar-Kali-Sharri, but to the extant gods Inanna and Dumuzid (later Tammuz). Nimrod claimed the attributes of the powerful Dumuzid when alive, and Tammuz represented the attributes of the impotent Dumuzid (Orpheus) in the underworld. From the link by Terry M. Smith: "Nimrod would greatly refine the blasphemous hoax of pagan religion and enshrine himself as lead deity and savior in a false trinity. He would attach to it a system of mystery rites and filthy carnal sacraments that would serve as the religious actions and conduct for 'Mystery Babylon'. Like a chameleon this system could be adaptable to the vain imaginings of man and the particulars of any culture so as to suit the customs, climate or agricultural needs of any peoples anywhere."
Gilgamesh traditional builder of Uruk, Sumerian Bilgamesh, was probably a prediluvian who was popularized and deified in 2000s Sumer; since he allegedly fought with the son of Mebarasi of Kish (the oldest ruler verified from the Sumerian King List), he is placed in the 2600s. It would be natural at that time to overlay this Sumerian legend onto the Akkadian Namar-Sin legend.
The historical Shamshi-Adad (called Ninus for subduing Nineveh), 850?-811, and Shammuramat (Semiramis), 850?-798, solidified the extant cult with their young son Adad-Nirari, 811?-783, who Semiramis substituted for Tammuz. Obviously also worshippers of Hadad the storm god. (The 19th-century idea that Semiramis and Nimrod were married is an unnecessary mistake, arising from the similarity between Nimrod and the extant Ninus legend associated with kings like Shamshi-Adad, plus Nimrod's wife being anonymous.) Semiramis's work gets you directly to the ladies-first Isis-Horus-Serapis triad.
That's the human side. On the deified side, Marduk son of Enki was the Old Babylonian Amarutu, 1800s, identified with Hadad, the Eblaite Hadda, 2300s or earlier. Osiris is also dated 2500-2300, of which I favor the last half-century (5th dynasty). Ninurta (agricultural, 2600s, Nippur, temple built by Mebarasi) and Ningursi (military, 2100s, Lagash, temple built by Gudea) were merged together easily as the son of Enlil. Because of the extreme rivalry between Enlil and Enki, I have to separate Ninurta-Ningursi out from the rest of the list Nimrod-Marduk-Gilgamesh, despite the claimed lingual similarity, because Nimrod became Zeus-Jupiter, but Ninurta became Cronus-Saturn. You are right (thanks) that Serapis was the Greco-Egyptian syncretism of Ptolemy Soter c. 300, originally Wsjr-Hp (Osiris-Apis), but I note this also appears calculated to bring in a title of Enki/Ea as well, Sar-Apsi (which we could call "czar Abzu", lord of the abyss), found in the Talmud as Sarapis.
Of all these names, Dumuzid seems the likeliest to go back the farthest, into the fourth millennium BC, given the SKL. See, there are several layers before Nimrod's Babel, even though Babylon is a convenient name for them all. From the link: "False religion, and therefore Mystery Babylon’s foundations, were laid as early as the Garden of Eden and the expulsion that took place there and the subsequent Satanic conspiracy of the fallen angels of the Antediluvian Era which nearly provoked God into destroying the entire human race. From passages in Genesis six we understand that some of the fallen angels had left their first estate in heaven and had taken on the likeness of human flesh so they could cohabit with the daughters of men and create a dominant race of half‑man, half‑god supermen who would rule on earth as 'gods'. As studies in comparative religion show, a belief in false religion was imbedded in the hearts of Man and established world‑wide."
When we get to Christianity, of course there's a heterodox segment that gives Mary-Miriam full divine worship; the rest of the church is left with the very interesting (Jesuitic) question of how much hyperdulia can be given to a human, seeing as humans get dulia (service) all the time without it counting as full divine worship (e.g. the NT's words for "worship" to baby Jesus are all used with respect to other humans). That is, it must be judged whether the casuistry of how to serve Miriam is sufficiently separated from logolatry such as offered to Zeus and Hermes. For our purposes, though, more important is to judge the degree to which the true Creator's pattern (in forming mothers and children) is partially revealed in advance of corruption and the degree to which counterfeiters guess ahead or copycat behind that true pattern. (Which is why I'm tracking whether IHS has any real connection with Jesus.)