You're quite the character... Are you trying to get me to debate you in c/Conspiracies? If you want to debate me, then here are my terms:
What do you actually want to debate me on? You usually just crap on my religion and/or spew Bible verses out of context on me. What it is specifically that you think I am "wrong" on? I will take you on, one on one, and then we have no reason to speak of each other again.
And if we debate, there will be none of that pushing those same stupid 3 videos on me... I don't really have the time to watch those, and I honestly wouldn't if I did. If you want to debate me, you will have to put everything in your own words. It's okay to quote Scripture, but you must put everything in your own words.
Note, u/Neo1, the above user blocked me after first flatly refusing to accept any terms of debate, and then after defining his terms such that anything other than what he already thought was excluded from his consideration. That's not debate nor seeking truth, that's lecturing. Once I got him to define his propositions, I basically agreed with him because he was just teaching Catholic theology, for which I have investigated a couple linguistic backdoors that allow me to understand its alternate language. Then he got upset because I agreed with him and wouldn't argue anything else when he was bruising to prove that I was a heretic. Well, just like him, I can always agree with magisterium when I get to define what it means!
When his final "term" of debate was to permit nothing other than for me to confess I'm a "Jew" where he's defined "Jew" to automatically mean "denier of Christ" (nothing else counts as "Jew" to him), he revealed that he was not interested in my confession at all but solely on my denial of my Lord. At that point I did take offense and am seeking second witness to it. The whole sordid affair two weeks ago is too boring to others for me to link.
So don't get the idea that his offer to debate is sincere, because he just proved it isn't for the purpose either of determining truth together or of educating an audience by polite adversarial dialogue.
I already warned him about his risk of mortal sin, and here you've caught him in an outright profanity. To use the name "Geez" (rather than just to mention it) is surely a venial sin and can be mortal depending on intent. But if he's blocked me then he's lost access to this warning. Well, God has him.
Well, okay. Here is the "debate". The first stickied comment links the essentials in a slightly readable order. u/CrusaderPepe is free to comment but my pinging him when blocked won't help him any.
It gets very repetitive, but the main line is (1) Pepe lists propositions he thinks we disagree on, (2) I get him to define his words precisely, which he'd previously refused, (3) I agree with his propositions, (4) he gets upset because he wants to argue but he's also shut down any point to arguing anything else because he admits no other definitions, (5) I explain that he's not debating and ask for his final terms, (6) he demands that I deny Christ because he's so confident of my wrongness, (7) I take offense at that point and conclude I have not successfully won him over privately as I'd hoped.
My closing statement: "Jesus Christ is my everything and without him I am nothing. Since your only acceptable term is for me to deny my Lord, your answer clearly shows that you are not interested in evangelizing and converting Jews as you claim; rather, that your freedom to demand a confession of me, tantamount to denying my Lord, proves my final conclusion correct, that you have offended Christ's body and are no better than Nero or any other persecutor who demanded such recantations. (Didn't you see the end of That Hideous Strength where the final demand of the tyrant is to stomp a crucifix in the face? See also Japanese history for the same.) To assist your understanding, let me clarify that I do not judge you to be an antichrist or in any wrong standing in any way with the church at large, but I do judge you to have offended against my conscience and therefore I must submit my judgment to God as revealed through the church at large. Jesus instructs me to approach you with a second witness. I too have gotten what I wanted out of this debate: a swift determination of your actual stance without your wild equivocations blurring the central issue."
You're quite the character... Are you trying to get me to debate you in c/Conspiracies? If you want to debate me, then here are my terms:
What do you actually want to debate me on? You usually just crap on my religion and/or spew Bible verses out of context on me. What it is specifically that you think I am "wrong" on? I will take you on, one on one, and then we have no reason to speak of each other again.
And if we debate, there will be none of that pushing those same stupid 3 videos on me... I don't really have the time to watch those, and I honestly wouldn't if I did. If you want to debate me, you will have to put everything in your own words. It's okay to quote Scripture, but you must put everything in your own words.
Those are my terms.
Note, u/Neo1, the above user blocked me after first flatly refusing to accept any terms of debate, and then after defining his terms such that anything other than what he already thought was excluded from his consideration. That's not debate nor seeking truth, that's lecturing. Once I got him to define his propositions, I basically agreed with him because he was just teaching Catholic theology, for which I have investigated a couple linguistic backdoors that allow me to understand its alternate language. Then he got upset because I agreed with him and wouldn't argue anything else when he was bruising to prove that I was a heretic. Well, just like him, I can always agree with magisterium when I get to define what it means!
When his final "term" of debate was to permit nothing other than for me to confess I'm a "Jew" where he's defined "Jew" to automatically mean "denier of Christ" (nothing else counts as "Jew" to him), he revealed that he was not interested in my confession at all but solely on my denial of my Lord. At that point I did take offense and am seeking second witness to it. The whole sordid affair two weeks ago is too boring to others for me to link.
So don't get the idea that his offer to debate is sincere, because he just proved it isn't for the purpose either of determining truth together or of educating an audience by polite adversarial dialogue.
I already warned him about his risk of mortal sin, and here you've caught him in an outright profanity. To use the name "Geez" (rather than just to mention it) is surely a venial sin and can be mortal depending on intent. But if he's blocked me then he's lost access to this warning. Well, God has him.
Go on.
Well, okay. Here is the "debate". The first stickied comment links the essentials in a slightly readable order. u/CrusaderPepe is free to comment but my pinging him when blocked won't help him any.
It gets very repetitive, but the main line is (1) Pepe lists propositions he thinks we disagree on, (2) I get him to define his words precisely, which he'd previously refused, (3) I agree with his propositions, (4) he gets upset because he wants to argue but he's also shut down any point to arguing anything else because he admits no other definitions, (5) I explain that he's not debating and ask for his final terms, (6) he demands that I deny Christ because he's so confident of my wrongness, (7) I take offense at that point and conclude I have not successfully won him over privately as I'd hoped.
My closing statement: "Jesus Christ is my everything and without him I am nothing. Since your only acceptable term is for me to deny my Lord, your answer clearly shows that you are not interested in evangelizing and converting Jews as you claim; rather, that your freedom to demand a confession of me, tantamount to denying my Lord, proves my final conclusion correct, that you have offended Christ's body and are no better than Nero or any other persecutor who demanded such recantations. (Didn't you see the end of That Hideous Strength where the final demand of the tyrant is to stomp a crucifix in the face? See also Japanese history for the same.) To assist your understanding, let me clarify that I do not judge you to be an antichrist or in any wrong standing in any way with the church at large, but I do judge you to have offended against my conscience and therefore I must submit my judgment to God as revealed through the church at large. Jesus instructs me to approach you with a second witness. I too have gotten what I wanted out of this debate: a swift determination of your actual stance without your wild equivocations blurring the central issue."