Don't you people have a Bible at hand or at least basic google skills?
Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For the things concerning Me have an end.” So they said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” And He said to them, “It is enough.”
36 Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.
37 For I say to you that this which is written must still be [e]accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For the things concerning Me have an end.”
Do you even know what prediction Jesus is talking about?
How many times should "now" be said, for you to realize that the prediction was concerning a specific time? Do you really believe Jesus wants you to buy swords? Try them against bullets NOW, see if that works...
It is a prediction for a specific time. Do you forget that Tomas cut off an ear of a soldier and Jesus healed the soldier? He told Tomas - "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."
Such a bizarre interpretation but it's to be expected by literalist protestants. This is the same logic that led protestants to conclude the days of creation are literal 24-hour days as we experience them. No wonder why so many people abandon their faith and become atheist with arguments like that.
The sword is a metaphor for a weapon. Of course Jesus didn't talk about AR-15 but that doesn't mean what He said was only relevant to the time He was among us in the flesh. The same applies to everything in the Bible - the technology is anachronistic but the same meaning applies because Christianity and the Kingdom of God is eternal and not temporal.
"Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."
Do you take phrases like "to live and die by the sword" literally? How many people die by an actual sword nowadays? The meaning of the phrase is "who lives violently shall die in the same manner". Language works through metaphors and context.
There are 2 divine works. The Bible and creation (the universe) itself. God worked truth (His will) into both. That's why when people ignore God's commandments/will in the real world, they always fail, are hurt, or die. The Bible doesn't contain the sum total of all information, truth, and logic. But, the universe does. We can test what works and what doesn't, to determine God's will. We can figure out sound logic and consistent logic on our own. This is widely speculated as to how we were made in God's image, that we have the divine ability to reason, to determine truth through logic.
You say "us, as Christians" - yet, you lie about Christianity. You are a fake Christian at most, and a shill at least.
How did I lie? How am I a fake Christian. Be specific.
"Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”" - Matthew 15:14
Interesting, as this is what I'm arguing against with you. You are blind to the bigger picture, completely ignoring the wider scope of God's creation and His divinely ascribed will in this universe (i.e. the truth), so you can use cherry picked Biblical passages to support your false assertions which don't align with reality. You are the "blind" in the passage you quoted.
And btw Jesus gave us the sword of Truth. Not any imaginary thing that you are using to incite violence among Christians.
The truth acts like a sword because God's will (truth) in this universe punishes those who ignore it, whether intentionally or by naivety. However, this doesn't mean good people, Christian or otherwise, should remain peaceful no matter what.
"you're a fool, you're weak, and you deserve nothing" - All your insults show me that you are a violent and unbalanced person.
I'm not a violent person. It's just that I see the fruits of evil all around me, the lies, the malicious violence, the greed, the sin, and it's hurting everything I love, impugning on everything truthful, and I want to stop it. Your way is what led us here, through good men doing nothing, remaining peaceful no matter what, which enabled evil to prosper and spread. My way would stamp out evil.
You need help.
I agree only insofar as that more good men need to wake up to the kind of lies you're espousing. Peace, for the sake of peace, is a failed philosophy, and as such, is not what Jesus/God argues. Any Biblical passage which you posit to the contrary is a perversion of scripture (i.e. of the devil).
Wow, you took 5 days to write a response that doesn't include any Bible verses?
I try to limit social media use. One way I do that is by waiting to respond to replies every few days. Also, I don't have to use Bible verses, as I explained, there are 2 works of God. And as you've shown thus far, Bible verses can be manipulated to support one's false view point, when in reality it's in contradiction to God's will (and reality).
What does it say then, about you, that you responded to me in less than 30 minutes, on a 5 day old comment? Is that more telling of you, than me? What then will you say, when I respond to this reply, in short order, because it's at a time when I'm handling replies?
You pretend to be a Christian, but you are obviously just a "wolf in sheeps clothing".
How so? Be specific.
Who are you trying to convince here?
Is everyone like you stupid, that you can divine no other purpose for this? Here, I'll explain it, again (and just copy/paste from a previous comment):
There's several purposes to debate.
It enables two parties to pursue truth, if both parties are civil, honest, logical, and prioritize truth above themselves. This currently isn't happening here.
It enables the disagreeing parties to air their thoughts to anyone listening, who might be swayed by what they hear. This isn't happening here, either, as it's just you and me here.
It enables one to learn about their opponent, and themselves. Just like exercise trains the body, just as tempering and working steel hardens and sharpens it, so too does debate and questioning hone a man's ideas and philosophies. Even if the disagreeing party isn't pursuing good debate, even if no one else is listening, partaking in such an endeavor has benefits. Weak men never exercise, weak men are never challenged, weak ideas are never questioned. Strength is derived from adversity, which debate provides for ideas.
I know demons like you stay away from the Bible. That's exactly why I use it against you.
You have provided exactly 2 Biblical passage to assert your view that good people, Christians, should remain peaceful and never fight back, and of those, they can be interpreted the other way, and there are other Biblical passages with refute your way of interpreting it.
If you so much want to perish in Hell, then don't be surprised that no one follows you there.
Why would I go to hell? For fighting back against evil, for stopping it from hurting that which is good? Would you levy the same judgment against God, for doing the same thing, and for the same reasons? Is God in hell, according to your reasoning?
"Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." - Proverbs 16:18
Look, another Biblical passage that is more applicable to you, than me. Please, by all means, keep quoting scripture. Maybe at some point you'll realize you are advocating for a position that is of the devil, who is the father of lies.
So much useless talk...
So you have 0 evidence of your previous claim - "Jesus also told us to sell our cloaks to buy a sword".
You say "us, as Christians" - yet, you lie about Christianity. You are a fake Christian at most, and a shill at least.
"Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”" - Matthew 15:14
And btw Jesus gave us the sword of Truth. Not any imaginary thing that you are using to incite violence among Christians.
"you're a fool, you're weak, and you deserve nothing" - All your insults show me that you are a violent and unbalanced person.
You need help.
Don't you people have a Bible at hand or at least basic google skills?
— Gospel of Luke 22:36-38, NKJV
36 Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.
37 For I say to you that this which is written must still be [e]accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For the things concerning Me have an end.”
Do you even know what prediction Jesus is talking about?
How many times should "now" be said, for you to realize that the prediction was concerning a specific time? Do you really believe Jesus wants you to buy swords? Try them against bullets NOW, see if that works...
It is a prediction for a specific time. Do you forget that Tomas cut off an ear of a soldier and Jesus healed the soldier? He told Tomas - "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."
Such a bizarre interpretation but it's to be expected by literalist protestants. This is the same logic that led protestants to conclude the days of creation are literal 24-hour days as we experience them. No wonder why so many people abandon their faith and become atheist with arguments like that.
The sword is a metaphor for a weapon. Of course Jesus didn't talk about AR-15 but that doesn't mean what He said was only relevant to the time He was among us in the flesh. The same applies to everything in the Bible - the technology is anachronistic but the same meaning applies because Christianity and the Kingdom of God is eternal and not temporal.
Do you take phrases like "to live and die by the sword" literally? How many people die by an actual sword nowadays? The meaning of the phrase is "who lives violently shall die in the same manner". Language works through metaphors and context.
There are 2 divine works. The Bible and creation (the universe) itself. God worked truth (His will) into both. That's why when people ignore God's commandments/will in the real world, they always fail, are hurt, or die. The Bible doesn't contain the sum total of all information, truth, and logic. But, the universe does. We can test what works and what doesn't, to determine God's will. We can figure out sound logic and consistent logic on our own. This is widely speculated as to how we were made in God's image, that we have the divine ability to reason, to determine truth through logic.
How did I lie? How am I a fake Christian. Be specific.
Interesting, as this is what I'm arguing against with you. You are blind to the bigger picture, completely ignoring the wider scope of God's creation and His divinely ascribed will in this universe (i.e. the truth), so you can use cherry picked Biblical passages to support your false assertions which don't align with reality. You are the "blind" in the passage you quoted.
The truth acts like a sword because God's will (truth) in this universe punishes those who ignore it, whether intentionally or by naivety. However, this doesn't mean good people, Christian or otherwise, should remain peaceful no matter what.
I'm not a violent person. It's just that I see the fruits of evil all around me, the lies, the malicious violence, the greed, the sin, and it's hurting everything I love, impugning on everything truthful, and I want to stop it. Your way is what led us here, through good men doing nothing, remaining peaceful no matter what, which enabled evil to prosper and spread. My way would stamp out evil.
I agree only insofar as that more good men need to wake up to the kind of lies you're espousing. Peace, for the sake of peace, is a failed philosophy, and as such, is not what Jesus/God argues. Any Biblical passage which you posit to the contrary is a perversion of scripture (i.e. of the devil).
Wow, you took 5 days to write a response that doesn't include any Bible verses?
You pretend to be a Christian, but you are obviously just a "wolf in sheeps clothing".
Who are you trying to convince here?
I know demons like you stay away from the Bible. That's exactly why I use it against you.
If you so much want to perish in Hell, then don't be surprised that no one follows you there.
"Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." - Proverbs 16:18
I try to limit social media use. One way I do that is by waiting to respond to replies every few days. Also, I don't have to use Bible verses, as I explained, there are 2 works of God. And as you've shown thus far, Bible verses can be manipulated to support one's false view point, when in reality it's in contradiction to God's will (and reality).
What does it say then, about you, that you responded to me in less than 30 minutes, on a 5 day old comment? Is that more telling of you, than me? What then will you say, when I respond to this reply, in short order, because it's at a time when I'm handling replies?
How so? Be specific.
Is everyone like you stupid, that you can divine no other purpose for this? Here, I'll explain it, again (and just copy/paste from a previous comment):
There's several purposes to debate.
It enables two parties to pursue truth, if both parties are civil, honest, logical, and prioritize truth above themselves. This currently isn't happening here.
It enables the disagreeing parties to air their thoughts to anyone listening, who might be swayed by what they hear. This isn't happening here, either, as it's just you and me here.
It enables one to learn about their opponent, and themselves. Just like exercise trains the body, just as tempering and working steel hardens and sharpens it, so too does debate and questioning hone a man's ideas and philosophies. Even if the disagreeing party isn't pursuing good debate, even if no one else is listening, partaking in such an endeavor has benefits. Weak men never exercise, weak men are never challenged, weak ideas are never questioned. Strength is derived from adversity, which debate provides for ideas.
You have provided exactly 2 Biblical passage to assert your view that good people, Christians, should remain peaceful and never fight back, and of those, they can be interpreted the other way, and there are other Biblical passages with refute your way of interpreting it.
Why would I go to hell? For fighting back against evil, for stopping it from hurting that which is good? Would you levy the same judgment against God, for doing the same thing, and for the same reasons? Is God in hell, according to your reasoning?
Look, another Biblical passage that is more applicable to you, than me. Please, by all means, keep quoting scripture. Maybe at some point you'll realize you are advocating for a position that is of the devil, who is the father of lies.
Being self-righteous doesn't make you truly righteous.
You want to push Christians into a revolt, but our Lord has said "turn the other cheek".
Your anger and your ego won't help you.