It's not in the Bible. He was Archbishop of Constantinople (300ad). Some 700 sermons and 246 letters by John Chrysostom survive, plus biblical commentaries, moral discourses, and theological treatises.
A long winded false prophet is still a false prophet. Only a murderer would say to viciously beat your enemies instead of praying for them and trying to bring them to the truth.
The way I read this is that the threat of violence for transgressions can be an effective deterrent. i.e.: Jesus and the moneylenders.
He's not calling for their murder btw. He's saying make it absolutely unacceptable in your society to blaspheme, and the problem will HAVE TO go away. Public shaming works. Shunning works. He isn't wrong.
I'm not saying there aren't better ways, but his advice is quick and efficient, and is a great example how Christianity isn't a 'lay down and die' when oppressed religion, as much of it has been cucked into today.
No, don't tell him that! I bet this guy thinks disciplining your children is unchristian too because you're being mean to them which means you do not love them. We must all be like passive feminized hippy-Jesus his talmud overlords cooked up as a subversion: "Listen, goy, disregard what the Church stance is and what the Church fathers said throughout the years. When you're interpreting Scripture, make sure to listen to your feels and base it off the anti-christian masonic culture we promote. Did I mention the Church fathers were antisemites?"
Jesus cleared the temple of blasphemy as a typical example of what must happen in the church. He didn’t go around assaulting people for blasphemy or heresy. He told us to love our enemies and feed them. He also explained that attacking someone or insulting someone like that makes you a murderer in your heart. You know who else thinks punching people for wrong speech is the right way to go? Antifa, Islam, fundamentalist Jews, communists, etc. You really think the threat of violence, the way the world brings people to submission, is how the almighty God wants people to be brought to loving obedience? He wants loving submission given by free will. Our battle isn’t fought with worldly weapons and yet here you are wanting to use the weapons of men to force compliance, exercising authority never given to you.
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1
The teaching of this man contradicts the moral character demanded of us in the gospel. Ask yourself, what does the Bible tell us regarding to who doles out punishment for sin. Is it our job to do so? Did the apostles go around socking people that blasphemed or did they rebuke them and pray? I don’t think Jesus meant for you to feed your enemies a knuckle sandwich. This instruction was written with a murderous heart.
Are you really suggesting that God/Jesus demand Christians not punish earthly sins? All sins, or just some of them? Where do you draw the line, and why?
He's not a false prophet. He's an early Church father following the apostolic succession. He's as much a false prophet as is Paul. You know, the Church which gave you the Bible in the first place.
What makes you confident your interpretation of Scripture is correct? What if I tell you St. John Chrysostom and the Church was well aware of what Jesus said? There's no contradiction. What you do is called quote mining and misinterpreting things without context.
Where is this in the Bible?
It's not in the Bible. He was Archbishop of Constantinople (300ad). Some 700 sermons and 246 letters by John Chrysostom survive, plus biblical commentaries, moral discourses, and theological treatises.
A long winded false prophet is still a false prophet. Only a murderer would say to viciously beat your enemies instead of praying for them and trying to bring them to the truth.
The way I read this is that the threat of violence for transgressions can be an effective deterrent. i.e.: Jesus and the moneylenders.
He's not calling for their murder btw. He's saying make it absolutely unacceptable in your society to blaspheme, and the problem will HAVE TO go away. Public shaming works. Shunning works. He isn't wrong.
I'm not saying there aren't better ways, but his advice is quick and efficient, and is a great example how Christianity isn't a 'lay down and die' when oppressed religion, as much of it has been cucked into today.
No, don't tell him that! I bet this guy thinks disciplining your children is unchristian too because you're being mean to them which means you do not love them. We must all be like passive feminized hippy-Jesus his talmud overlords cooked up as a subversion: "Listen, goy, disregard what the Church stance is and what the Church fathers said throughout the years. When you're interpreting Scripture, make sure to listen to your feels and base it off the anti-christian masonic culture we promote. Did I mention the Church fathers were antisemites?"
Jesus cleared the temple of blasphemy as a typical example of what must happen in the church. He didn’t go around assaulting people for blasphemy or heresy. He told us to love our enemies and feed them. He also explained that attacking someone or insulting someone like that makes you a murderer in your heart. You know who else thinks punching people for wrong speech is the right way to go? Antifa, Islam, fundamentalist Jews, communists, etc. You really think the threat of violence, the way the world brings people to submission, is how the almighty God wants people to be brought to loving obedience? He wants loving submission given by free will. Our battle isn’t fought with worldly weapons and yet here you are wanting to use the weapons of men to force compliance, exercising authority never given to you.
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1
The teaching of this man contradicts the moral character demanded of us in the gospel. Ask yourself, what does the Bible tell us regarding to who doles out punishment for sin. Is it our job to do so? Did the apostles go around socking people that blasphemed or did they rebuke them and pray? I don’t think Jesus meant for you to feed your enemies a knuckle sandwich. This instruction was written with a murderous heart.
Are you really suggesting that God/Jesus demand Christians not punish earthly sins? All sins, or just some of them? Where do you draw the line, and why?
There’s a clear separation between punishment for earthly crime and punishing someone for sins against God.
He's not a false prophet. He's an early Church father following the apostolic succession. He's as much a false prophet as is Paul. You know, the Church which gave you the Bible in the first place.
What makes you confident your interpretation of Scripture is correct? What if I tell you St. John Chrysostom and the Church was well aware of what Jesus said? There's no contradiction. What you do is called quote mining and misinterpreting things without context.
Here come the "muh Bible" sola scriptura folks. Ok, we're doing this obviously: Who gave you the Bible and who interprets the Bible for you?