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posted 1 year ago by newfunturistic 1 year ago by newfunturistic +6 / -1
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– SwampRangers 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

I'm a Christian who has learned the Hebrew-cultural roots of the covenants of the Bible and who insists on facts and logic. I've always said I'm publicly accountable to Scott Lively and First Century Bible Church, and that has only gotten people to imagine that Scott has some secret Jewish tie. However, thank you for stepping up and joining the conversation.

"The JEW" is not a term that refers to any cognizable entity. If you said "Jews" you'd be closer because you'd refer to a cognizable group of people, some of whom despise me, but not all. Overall, the methodology of group characterization is fatally flawed.

Who died trying to spread the truth about the Talmud? Donin didn't. There are lots of failed attempts to spread mixtures of truth and error about the Talmud, which is why I (face persecution from your likes to) post accurate quotes and analysis. But the failed attempts to describe the Talmud didn't get martyrdoms either. (It amazes me how both Jews and Christians fail to get the Talmud placed in a proper, stable cultural perspective, like the patristics have achieved. Nobody objects that the Christians have crazy church fathers, nobody gets obsessed with proving the Christians false by their confessors, all religions pretty well accept that the patristics are just there and are part of history and need not be read as anything more than that.)

I appreciate your links, I didn't get around to them while compiling my own research collection earlier so I'll be happy to comment there. However, it appears you're looking for guidance to one writer's summary opinion without remembering that, for Jewish protection, there are always many opinions in Judaism. What counts is actual practice as documented in primary sources and/or rabbinical organizations.

So for now, for OP's sake let's defer conversation to your three excellent older threads on the subject, a little bit later, thanks.

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– turtlebam 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

You are going through a phase. I hope to God that your wake up call is a mild and effective one that is not a painful process.

ALL religious JEWS despise you. By all I mean truly all. The only ones who do not despise you are Jews who are almost non-Jews (i.e. those who were raised in Christian communities and had little contact with Jewish brainwashing)

You missed the very simple fact that ALL Jews consider Jesus to be an imposter. If they considered him anything but an imposter they would have become Christian.

This is what they show on their national TV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HytrKvXGljc

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– SwampRangers 0 points 1 year ago +1 / -1

Most Jews are nonreligious and try not to consider Jesus at all, or give unthinking acceptance to the cultural judgment. Theologically, the teaching (Maimonides) is that Jesus is not the Messiah because he hasn't done it all yet. Those few that I've spoken of (1%) do count him an impostor, but even Marching to Zion couldn't find a rabbi that would defame Jesus outright, the closest the rabbis would say was "maybe" he's an impostor.

I've spent a very long time learning about Jews, no phase. This enables me to speak to even those who do not believe in Jesus because I can establish common ground on many other points, which is the same thing evangelists do with any other culture. When this is established, a time comes in a relationship when you can ask freely what the individual thinks about Jesus, and then provide more information in a Jewish context. This is the only way to evangelize, and evangelize we must according to Romans 11.

Jews who have accepted Jesus as Messiah, numbering about a million according to a Lifeway survey, do not consider themselves non-Jews. Your creating a special category for "little contact" shows that you don't want to leave the monolithic view that so informs your other opinions; but I think you've done enough research to realize you don't need to hold on to it.

Are you stressed out about Israeli TV for one minute after the way we treat Jews, blacks, and Muslims on Scored for years? This may be more rent-free than I thought.

Do you dare me to go to Chabad or the Conservative synagogue and strike up a conversation along any lines, and report back to you?

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– turtlebam 0 points 1 year ago +1 / -1

You are either completely brainwashed or a bot at this point. No further engagement.

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