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When a flat Earther tells you that water cannot curve (media.conspiracies.win)
posted 1 year ago by vpnsurfer 1 year ago by vpnsurfer +21 / -10
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– jack445566778899 0 points 1 year ago +1 / -1

Tell us nobody ever explained to you why Latitude and Longitude are the only way to predict surface point-locations on Earth,

This isn't about prediction, it's about measurement. A flat map works better than a globe shaped one - which is why our maps are flat.

Assuming the world is flat, the latitude lines are circles and the longitude lines are axial lines from the north pole. The arbitrary coordinate system we use has absolutely no bearing on the shape of the world. This is an encouraged erroneous conflation.

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– CO2_Generator 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

And prediction can only be done with proper measurement, illiterate.

Flat maps DON'T work better, that's why the SPHERICAL COORDINATES are MARKED on ALL FLAT MAPS.

And the MAPS are ALTERED so they more CLOSELY reflect reality of the planet being a sphere.

YOU who don't even know why Longitude and Latitude EXISTS, and are the SOLE COORDINATES USED on even FLAT MAPS,

vs EVERY MAP MAKER who EVER EXISTED:

Everyone coming by take otice how jack thinks FLAT MAPS apply to Earth better?

MAP PROJECTION: THE SCIENCE OF TRYING to MAKE FLAT MAPS fit EARTH as WELL as GLOBES DO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_projection

That's catastrophic failure of your lack of knowledge,

even of the reason for existence of,

the MEASUREMENTS TAKING PLACE on MAPS,

being in LONGITUDE and LATITUDE.

Using only:

S P E R I C A L geometry

surface area formulas.

There is no reference, of any kind, EVER:

to anything flat, in deriving them.

Ever.

All measurements are taking SOLELY from a SPHERE:

of a PRECISE and unchanging size.

COMPARED M.E.A.S.U.R.E.M.E.N.T.S.

match the SURFACE AREA

FORMULAS,

in the Geometry,

no one ever told you about.

https://www.nosco.ch/mathematics/en/earth-coordinates.php

All systems measuring Earth surface are SPHERICAL coordinates systems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_coordinate_system

[For broader coverage of this topic, see Spatial reference system.]

A geographic coordinate system (or GCS) is a SPHERICAL, or geodetic coordinate system,

for measuring and communicating positions directly on the Earth,

as latitude and longitude.

It is the simplest, oldest and most widely used of the various spatial reference systems that are in use, and forms the basis for most others.

The geographic coordinate system is not cartesian, because the measurements are angles related to a sphere; and are not on a planar surface."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_coordinate_system

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– jack445566778899 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

And prediction can only be done with proper measurement

Actually, no. But i get your meaning.

Flat maps DON'T work better

Of course they do. That's why we have used them for millennia and continue to today.

vs EVERY MAP MAKER who EVER EXISTED

Again, the depiction and coordinate system chosen (and even believed to be correct) by the mapmaker are arbitrary and irrelevant to the actual shape of the world. The map is a tool for travel, nothing more.

That's catastrophic failure of your lack of knowledge ....

Everything you say beyond this line is restating the same misunderstanding. Of course the world is depicted as spherical, and has a coordinate system that is consistent with that depiction. It's not a coincidence, nor providence of the worlds actual shape! We believe it's spherical and have for thousands of years! It has no bearing on the actual shape of the world - it's just arbitrarily chosen to be consistent with that belief.

If the world is flat, and/or not spherical, then it is your "catastrophic failure and lack of knowledge" we are actually discussing. Right?

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– CO2_Generator 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Yes, clown. You must measure correctly to predict. In geo-location, the word predict means "say correctly, a point will be where it is formulated to be."

This is a science, that uses mathematical formulas, to say ahead of time where something is going to be.

And no, clown, I PERSONALLY provided you the link to the SCIENCE that TRIES to MAKE FLAT MAPS work AS WELL as GLOBES.

You are in FLAT DENIAL of the ENTIRE SCIENCE - and it is as COMPLICATED as the MATHEMATICS of SPHERES you never learned,

of ''Map Projection."

https://www.google.com/search?q=Map+Projection&oq=Map+Projection&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQLhhA0gEINTEzMmowajCoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

This is an ENORMOUSLY important science to navigation, you're just illiterate.

Again, you're utterly wrong about the choice of surface areas for travel and prediction on the surfaces of any geometry being unimportant.

They're so important that the only way to successfully predict surface point locations, is to use a mathematical model that is identical to the surface of the geometry,

or you're describing the surface of ANOTHER geometry.

The field of science they teach 10 and 12 year-olds, that nobody ever taught you, mandates it.

To find surface points on a cube you must have a mathematical model that matches that cube in EVERY single particular.

To correctly predict surface points on a sphere you must have a mathematical model that matches that sphere in EVERY single particular, or YOUR predictions of where things will be, will be WRONG.

You're just an innumerate, illiterate hillbilly no one ever taught geometry to.

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– jack445566778899 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

You must measure correctly to predict

This is incorrect. Even to make correct predictions does not require measurement. This is, of course, besides the point.

You are in FLAT DENIAL of the ENTIRE SCIENCE

Map projection is obviously not a science.

From my perspective, you are in "flat denial" of the science of hydrostatics (a branch of physics).

The field of science they teach 10 and 12 year-olds, that nobody ever taught you, mandates it.

This is wrong. Nothing abstract (in this case math or any other language) mandates anything about reality - nor can it.

The world is whatever shape it is, and the arbitrary coordinate system and/or deeply held beliefs of cartographers have no bearing on that shape.

YOUR predictions of where things will be, will be WRONG

Maps are not for prediction, but for travel. If the map is wrong, we fix it.

Your fervent and belligerent belief will not change the shape of the world. The real question remains; if you were wrong about the shape of the world - would you want to know it? Or would you prefer to just keep yelling, meaninglessly and pathetically, online?

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– CO2_Generator 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Wrong answer hillbilly.

The coordinates system for CORRECT SURFACE AREA and surface point LOCATION prediction is NOT arbitrary.

You're just an illiterate, innumerate hick who nobody ever taught how Longitude and Latitude operate to successfully predict on the surface of the planet.

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