Graphene - what is it doing in mRNA vaccines?
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You lose me when you completely deny health effects. That's typical of RF engineers. You guys know so much about the engineering side you feel like you know everything. How many studies have you looked through on the effects of microwaves on human cells and systems? No matter how many you've read there are hundreds more. It's a deep subject area .
The military is on record as using microwaves for various types of weapons and the government admits that such weapons exist to make people sick (see Havana Syndrome).
So you aren't going to get me to let my guard down about 5G, but nice try :)
I don't deny health effects. I deny that 5G is somehow special in health effects.
You lose me when you stick to 5G only. Health effects of 3G,4G and 5G are the same, since bands and power are the same. 5G is different only in more sophisticated modulation allowing higher data bandwidth.
If you ignore 3G/4G health effects but worry a lot about 5G health effects, you are hypocrite at minimum.
We know enough to see completely artificial bias toward 5G.
A lot. And none mentioned any impact of modulation on the health effects. All tell only about frequency and absorbed power, which are the same for WiFi, Bluetooth, 3G, 4G, 5G and so on.
But we, as RF engineers do completely another, and much more amasing conclusion from that papers. All this papers show us, that human body, for whatever reasons, is thoroughly and very competently protected from RF radiation levels never encountered in nature. Just take a moment and think about that open-minded. Why humans have so heavy protection, from the very unnatural thing? How and why humans get this protection? I think this is a way more astonishing rabbit hole than anything pushed about 5G. That is the great question of life, universe and everything.
5G is absolutely not different from other cellular networks generations in terms on health. To be honest, you have to talk about negative issues of mobile phones as whole.
Real 5G specific issues have completely another nature.
That's simply false though. 5G does two things which can impact health more than 3G or 4G.
It will add many more towers per square block of residential area increasing the daily exposure of the average person significantly whether or not they use a cell phone.
It opens up higher frequency bands to be used for cellular communications in addition to still using the previous microwave bands. They are allowing bands from 6-60Ghz which were not previously used for 3G and 4G.
2b) Wifi is also changing now that you bring that up. They are adding different untested frequencies to wifi beyond simply 2.4Ghz.
We must be reading different papers.
I don't observe that here. Mobile providers just replace equipment on existing towers and buildings and that's all. There was attempts to utilise FR2 in dense spaces like stadiums and exibition centers, they put a lot of FR2 stations in, but it was discovered that FR2 is unreliable, because it is very sensitive to moisture in air. Fog or rain make FR2 unuseable.
This bands wulnerable to weather so unuseable here. We don't have sunny days all year around. Also, FR2 bands only purpose is to allow enormous bandwith to the mobile device which cound not be really utilised since there is no higher-level infrastructure to source and handle such bandwidth. Cellural network users could not utilise even 3G/4G bandwidth fully due to bottleneck in uplink channels, so there is also no any sense in nesting expensive FR2 stations anywhere.
Also, FR2 due to its high frequency and skin effect could not penetrate human skin+fat layer, so there is nothing to care about.
And I don't see any worries about microwave sensors used to open gas stations and supermarket automatic doors. They work in the same frequency range, but somehow are completely out of scope of safety trolls.
Higher the frequency, lower the penetration into human body, so less harm. I already give you a formula, you could do the math.
No, it's the same paper. When you see "we exposed living tissue to RF radiation and saw some bad shit" you are in panic, I see "we toast sample with a dosens of Watts from 10cm distance and got only some damage instead of piece of fried meat" and think - "why the hell living tissue made so resistant to the microwaves, if there are no such powerful microwave sources in wild nature? What we don't know about our distant past?".
Which only goes to show they haven't finished the proposed 5G roll out. The plan as outlined by the former FCC chairman himself was to have many more "small cells" on every street corner.
You can say that, but it is part of the proposed 5G plans for major carriers. It's on their websites, so how can you say it isn't part of the plan going forward? When did they ever announced otherwise?
It's this kind of hand waiving dismissal that leads to future problems with poorly tested technology. Look how many effects were found for 3G/4G and wifi after the fact that people had never even considered (their excuse then was "if it isn't thermal don't worry about it"). I think you will be surprised once they start finding effects that are more than skin deep.
If 90% is absorbed by the skin, first that's the largest organ in the body, and not something to be fucked around with. Secondly that doesn't account for what chronic exposure to the other 10% penetrating the bloodstream can do. More importantly you're talking about a portion of the higher spectrum, like 60Ghz. It's beyond arrogant to think you understand in detail all the chronic effects of 6-60Ghz, as if that can all be summed up as only pertaining to the skin. It can't.
Which is an absurd mischaracterization of the papers I'm talking about that look at subthermal effects. Like all engineers in this industry you're just believing what you like of the science on health effects