Disagree, but what about the aforementioned John 10:30? “I and my Father are one”. Seems pretty clear there.
The Trinity explanation is there too. There is one God (Deut 6:4, 1 Cor 8:4, Galatians 3:20, 1 Tim 2:5). The Trinity consists of three Persons/entities. The entities are distinguished one from another in various passages. Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27, Romans 1:7, 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14, Romans 9:5, Colossians 2:9). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4, 1 Cor 3:16).
You have to take a holistic approach when reading the Scripture. You can’t assume one verse will say, “The Holy Trinity is XYZ”, just as it won’t say, “Don’t eat processed food that kills your body as the Temple of God.”
Seems clear to you, but at one time, the largest group of Christians on earth were Arians, who denied the divinity of Christ. If it's "clear," how could that be?
As for the Trinity, you're taking these separate, and disparate passages (wholistic you say), and putting them together to make a doctrine that this thing exists called the Trinity, and this is what is means or is composed of. Since such a wholistic approach must be made, then interpretation is a requirement. If interpretation is a requirement, of so many different passages, then there is a great possibility of different interpretations.
Well, I didn’t say “wholistic”, as you say, but, yes, interpretation is needed to read God’s Word. I’m not sure what point you are trying to make here. I’ve spelled out how the Bible references your questions. And yet, you still haven’t answered any of my questions with verse references. Why’s that?
Where’s the Pope referenced in the Bible? Why are Christians mentioned but not Catholics? Why do you follow a religion that has a clearly heretical leader? Seems strange, mon ami.
I do appreciate you answering mine, and I say that sincerely. I'm glad you admit that wide and wholistic (we might say learned) interpretation is necessary. However, can you take it one step further, and conclude that people can have different interpretations? This won't weaken your faith, or be an admission of defeat, btw. There are, after all, 40,000 different denominations because, well, different interpretations.
The Pope isn't referenced in the Bible, just the primacy of Peter as bishop of Rome. Paul and other reported to him, and he decided to get rid of the Jewish dietary laws, nobody else. And the first Christians were Catholics, they just didn't use the word "Catholic" because there was only one kind of Christian at the time. As for Francis, popes come and go; the alternatives are pretty shitty compared to Catholicism, full of heresies, but the Orthodox are not so bad I admit.
Matthew 3:16-17 does no such thing. I does not say that Jesus is God (that they are one) specifically, just that Jesus is the son of God.
Also, while the Trinity is referenced, that's not what I asked you. I asked if it's explained. Show me where the Trinity is explained. Can you?
Disagree, but what about the aforementioned John 10:30? “I and my Father are one”. Seems pretty clear there.
The Trinity explanation is there too. There is one God (Deut 6:4, 1 Cor 8:4, Galatians 3:20, 1 Tim 2:5). The Trinity consists of three Persons/entities. The entities are distinguished one from another in various passages. Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27, Romans 1:7, 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14, Romans 9:5, Colossians 2:9). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4, 1 Cor 3:16).
You have to take a holistic approach when reading the Scripture. You can’t assume one verse will say, “The Holy Trinity is XYZ”, just as it won’t say, “Don’t eat processed food that kills your body as the Temple of God.”
Seems clear to you, but at one time, the largest group of Christians on earth were Arians, who denied the divinity of Christ. If it's "clear," how could that be?
As for the Trinity, you're taking these separate, and disparate passages (wholistic you say), and putting them together to make a doctrine that this thing exists called the Trinity, and this is what is means or is composed of. Since such a wholistic approach must be made, then interpretation is a requirement. If interpretation is a requirement, of so many different passages, then there is a great possibility of different interpretations.
One last question. When were the Gospels written?
Well, I didn’t say “wholistic”, as you say, but, yes, interpretation is needed to read God’s Word. I’m not sure what point you are trying to make here. I’ve spelled out how the Bible references your questions. And yet, you still haven’t answered any of my questions with verse references. Why’s that?
Where’s the Pope referenced in the Bible? Why are Christians mentioned but not Catholics? Why do you follow a religion that has a clearly heretical leader? Seems strange, mon ami.
I do appreciate you answering mine, and I say that sincerely. I'm glad you admit that wide and wholistic (we might say learned) interpretation is necessary. However, can you take it one step further, and conclude that people can have different interpretations? This won't weaken your faith, or be an admission of defeat, btw. There are, after all, 40,000 different denominations because, well, different interpretations.
The Pope isn't referenced in the Bible, just the primacy of Peter as bishop of Rome. Paul and other reported to him, and he decided to get rid of the Jewish dietary laws, nobody else. And the first Christians were Catholics, they just didn't use the word "Catholic" because there was only one kind of Christian at the time. As for Francis, popes come and go; the alternatives are pretty shitty compared to Catholicism, full of heresies, but the Orthodox are not so bad I admit.
Now, when were the Gospels written?