I personally have come to tentatively conclude that the reference may be to something documented in the MUL.APIN, a Babylonian astronomy text likely from 1000 BC.
That would already make it the oldest reference, but I would venture that the Babylonians got it from the Sumerians--who had one and the same pantheon--which could push it back to around 6000 years ago. Who the Sumerians got it from is a story for another day.
Anyway, the MUL.APIN specifies the following:
-- All the major stars and constellations are listed and organised into three broad divisions according to celestial latitude allocating each star to three paths:
the northern path of Enlil containing 33 stars or constellations
the presumably equatorial path of Anu containing 23 stars or constellations, and
the southern path of Ea containing 15 stars or constellations,
And in another story for another day, it turns out Enlil is associated with the planet Saturn (and this has nothing to do with "Satan", which is a very common mistake), so when we see all the Saturn symbology everywhere, they're referring to the same guy.
Let me lay it out in the way that makes sense to me, and perhaps you'll find something of value...
When you sort it all out (or the critical parts, anyway), you find out that the two key personalities are (as the Sumerians knew them) Enlil and Marduk. They were part of a single hierarchy running Anu -> Enlil -> Marduk.
You also find out that these personalities were all known by many different names in different times and different cultures. That further complicates the picture but it can be unwound with meticulous effort. (This may seem like some kind of dodge where you can sub anything for anything else, but just consider how many names you can think of that refer to Hillary Clinton, and that's just in one culture in one short human lifespan.)
To that point, Enlil and Marduk were referred to as Chronos and Zeus by the Greeks, Saturn and Jupiter by the Romans, and Yahweh and Satan by the Israelites. These identifications are crucial.
After that, you find that the "war is Heaven" was a schism between them. A deal was struck and is still ongoing, where Marduk remained on Earth as part of the contest. The "Day of the Lord" is when Enlil will return to conclude the deal. They both remain part of the same hierarchy, as far as I can tell.
So when you're looking at subjects like "Saturnian worship" or the Titanomachy or Satan being the "lord of this world" or many other such things, you can "reverse engineer" them into this very brief summary. You see that they are incomplete, distorted, and corrupted versions of the true situation.
That is, everyone who studies these things has been looking into the wrong end of the telescope, trying to make sense of the tiny images. That's why it's difficult to make all the pieces fit together. People usually just punt, and pick out the parts and pieces they choose to be "true".
Final note: if you're wondering whether those Elites "at the top" know this truth, I doubt more than a handful do. It looks like everyone is just handed down a different mix of lies and truth. But the scant traces I've come across were enough to confirm to me that this was the correct framework.
I’ve come to think much the same in terms of the idea of a “common origin” to the different legends / myths / origin stories of the world.
I suppose the most convenient (though perhaps far from the best) means of asking questions on this topic is, how does “the truth of things” (as best you or I or anyone else understands it) differ from the tale as told by those in power, as a means of controlling our perceptions?
A main factor is perhaps the difference in whether or not these entities are seen as “physical”/“corporeal” or “meta-physical”/“spiritual”? The idea that what we have long called “gods” are perhaps more accurately called “homo superius” or perhaps even “non-human beings”? Our modern religions find it sacrilegious to suggest the notion that angels and gods are “mere” aliens, but the more one studies things the more one understands that our ancestors don’t seem to have delineated the two concepts. Interested in where you come down on this one.
And Where else would you find differences (or similarities) between “the ancient truth” and our modern versions? Does it boil down to Go(o)d versus (D)evil? Or is that an oversimplification of something like order and chaos? Or growth and decay? Or something else entirely? Or do you think all this symbolic interpretation is superfluous, and it’s something far stranger than fiction could ever come up with? I find the idea of this existence being a “training ground” of some sort resonates strongly with my understanding of things...
Anyway cheers man thanks for being a quality commenter, whenever I see your posts I know I’m about to enjoy some serious effort posting
You know, over the last few years as I've taken what turned out to be a "journey of discovery" (but was really no more than Forrest Gump going out for a jog one day and never stopping), and what I found most striking as the biggest practical blocks in research, in getting the picture correct, is that people have the metaphorical arrows pointed the wrong way. Well, WTH does that mean? I'll explain with some big examples.
First, I'm totally open to immaterial forces. (I prefer rather think of them as material forces we have not yet investigated and characterized. Like, what did cavemen think was going on with magnetic rocks? Not magnetism!) But when I started looking into the Anunnaki, I consciously thought, "If I'm ever going to tell anyone else about any of this, I've got to keep it a down-to-earth and materialistic as possible." And when I adhered to that discipline--surprise!--I never had to go beyond it.
For example, many would say that God in the Bible basically magics people into existence. But if you study very, very carefully, you find quite a bit of evidence--both in the Bible and outside--that the Anunnaki genetically engineered us. Then you're faced with the choice, "These advanced aliens have genetic engineering like we do," or "God magic'ed people into existence and all evidence otherwise is mere coincidence." I know which one I'd pick. Also, it explains all the fucked up genetic diseases we're prone to as being from imperfect engineering, does it not?
Then the idea that "the gods" are simply a race of alien beings, flesh-and-blood, much like us, leads to righting another wrong-way arrow: we think the "gods" and "angels" have human-like characteristics. Exactly wrong! It is we who have Anunnaki-like characteristics. "We learned it from you, Dad! We learned it by watching you!"
So I came to find evidence that what we think of as the source and substance of the ills of the world and our society (wars, hierarchy, government, organized religion, money, patriarchy, etc) all were handed down from the Anunnaki. They gave us our culture, and still do. Look around--what human being would invent what we have?
We get hierarchy because they were obsessed with it, so to your question that is probably the original source of what we receive as the distinction between "gods" and "angels". The Anunnaki had a royalty of twelve members, each of which had an individual rank between 5 and 60, counting by fives. The overall expedition numbered 600, who basically just became described as "angels". (By the by, the crew size of 600 combines with the one-third swept from heaven to become the 200 Fallen Angels on Mt. Hermon. See how the pieces fall together?)
As regards the concept of a "training ground", well, before we address anything of a more cosmic significance, there is a contest underway that I mentioned before and we have to get past it. In brief, Satan feels that humans are no more than cattle, and that he is within his rights and wishes to dominate and use us freely as one does livestock. TBH, when you look around that idea isn't entirely without basis, is it? Yahweh, on the other hand, feels we should be free and independent, even working in harmony with him. But the contest is underway to show that Yahweh is correct and that we are worthy.
Can we free ourselves from Satan's domination? We can see (in the negative) that his fundamental approach is to convince us he doesn't exist, that everyone believes we are doing this to ourselves, and that tyranny is by choice and consent. If you want to pose the big, cosmic questions, there's one right there: Is Satan correct?
I would add that in this contest, Satan was disallowed from using any advanced alien tech, but must seduce and convince us, exercising our own free will. Deception is allowed. On the flip side, a small number of us have been granted full consciousness to use to defend the human race. And here we are doing just that.
I personally have come to tentatively conclude that the reference may be to something documented in the MUL.APIN, a Babylonian astronomy text likely from 1000 BC.
That would already make it the oldest reference, but I would venture that the Babylonians got it from the Sumerians--who had one and the same pantheon--which could push it back to around 6000 years ago. Who the Sumerians got it from is a story for another day.
Anyway, the MUL.APIN specifies the following:
-- All the major stars and constellations are listed and organised into three broad divisions according to celestial latitude allocating each star to three paths:
And in another story for another day, it turns out Enlil is associated with the planet Saturn (and this has nothing to do with "Satan", which is a very common mistake), so when we see all the Saturn symbology everywhere, they're referring to the same guy.
What is your take on the “saturn mythos”? A death cult? The death cult? Misunderstood seekers? Too many interesting coincidences to be nothing imo
Let me lay it out in the way that makes sense to me, and perhaps you'll find something of value...
When you sort it all out (or the critical parts, anyway), you find out that the two key personalities are (as the Sumerians knew them) Enlil and Marduk. They were part of a single hierarchy running Anu -> Enlil -> Marduk.
You also find out that these personalities were all known by many different names in different times and different cultures. That further complicates the picture but it can be unwound with meticulous effort. (This may seem like some kind of dodge where you can sub anything for anything else, but just consider how many names you can think of that refer to Hillary Clinton, and that's just in one culture in one short human lifespan.)
To that point, Enlil and Marduk were referred to as Chronos and Zeus by the Greeks, Saturn and Jupiter by the Romans, and Yahweh and Satan by the Israelites. These identifications are crucial.
After that, you find that the "war is Heaven" was a schism between them. A deal was struck and is still ongoing, where Marduk remained on Earth as part of the contest. The "Day of the Lord" is when Enlil will return to conclude the deal. They both remain part of the same hierarchy, as far as I can tell.
So when you're looking at subjects like "Saturnian worship" or the Titanomachy or Satan being the "lord of this world" or many other such things, you can "reverse engineer" them into this very brief summary. You see that they are incomplete, distorted, and corrupted versions of the true situation.
That is, everyone who studies these things has been looking into the wrong end of the telescope, trying to make sense of the tiny images. That's why it's difficult to make all the pieces fit together. People usually just punt, and pick out the parts and pieces they choose to be "true".
Final note: if you're wondering whether those Elites "at the top" know this truth, I doubt more than a handful do. It looks like everyone is just handed down a different mix of lies and truth. But the scant traces I've come across were enough to confirm to me that this was the correct framework.
I’ve come to think much the same in terms of the idea of a “common origin” to the different legends / myths / origin stories of the world.
I suppose the most convenient (though perhaps far from the best) means of asking questions on this topic is, how does “the truth of things” (as best you or I or anyone else understands it) differ from the tale as told by those in power, as a means of controlling our perceptions?
A main factor is perhaps the difference in whether or not these entities are seen as “physical”/“corporeal” or “meta-physical”/“spiritual”? The idea that what we have long called “gods” are perhaps more accurately called “homo superius” or perhaps even “non-human beings”? Our modern religions find it sacrilegious to suggest the notion that angels and gods are “mere” aliens, but the more one studies things the more one understands that our ancestors don’t seem to have delineated the two concepts. Interested in where you come down on this one.
And Where else would you find differences (or similarities) between “the ancient truth” and our modern versions? Does it boil down to Go(o)d versus (D)evil? Or is that an oversimplification of something like order and chaos? Or growth and decay? Or something else entirely? Or do you think all this symbolic interpretation is superfluous, and it’s something far stranger than fiction could ever come up with? I find the idea of this existence being a “training ground” of some sort resonates strongly with my understanding of things...
Anyway cheers man thanks for being a quality commenter, whenever I see your posts I know I’m about to enjoy some serious effort posting
You know, over the last few years as I've taken what turned out to be a "journey of discovery" (but was really no more than Forrest Gump going out for a jog one day and never stopping), and what I found most striking as the biggest practical blocks in research, in getting the picture correct, is that people have the metaphorical arrows pointed the wrong way. Well, WTH does that mean? I'll explain with some big examples.
First, I'm totally open to immaterial forces. (I prefer rather think of them as material forces we have not yet investigated and characterized. Like, what did cavemen think was going on with magnetic rocks? Not magnetism!) But when I started looking into the Anunnaki, I consciously thought, "If I'm ever going to tell anyone else about any of this, I've got to keep it a down-to-earth and materialistic as possible." And when I adhered to that discipline--surprise!--I never had to go beyond it.
For example, many would say that God in the Bible basically magics people into existence. But if you study very, very carefully, you find quite a bit of evidence--both in the Bible and outside--that the Anunnaki genetically engineered us. Then you're faced with the choice, "These advanced aliens have genetic engineering like we do," or "God magic'ed people into existence and all evidence otherwise is mere coincidence." I know which one I'd pick. Also, it explains all the fucked up genetic diseases we're prone to as being from imperfect engineering, does it not?
Then the idea that "the gods" are simply a race of alien beings, flesh-and-blood, much like us, leads to righting another wrong-way arrow: we think the "gods" and "angels" have human-like characteristics. Exactly wrong! It is we who have Anunnaki-like characteristics. "We learned it from you, Dad! We learned it by watching you!"
So I came to find evidence that what we think of as the source and substance of the ills of the world and our society (wars, hierarchy, government, organized religion, money, patriarchy, etc) all were handed down from the Anunnaki. They gave us our culture, and still do. Look around--what human being would invent what we have?
We get hierarchy because they were obsessed with it, so to your question that is probably the original source of what we receive as the distinction between "gods" and "angels". The Anunnaki had a royalty of twelve members, each of which had an individual rank between 5 and 60, counting by fives. The overall expedition numbered 600, who basically just became described as "angels". (By the by, the crew size of 600 combines with the one-third swept from heaven to become the 200 Fallen Angels on Mt. Hermon. See how the pieces fall together?)
As regards the concept of a "training ground", well, before we address anything of a more cosmic significance, there is a contest underway that I mentioned before and we have to get past it. In brief, Satan feels that humans are no more than cattle, and that he is within his rights and wishes to dominate and use us freely as one does livestock. TBH, when you look around that idea isn't entirely without basis, is it? Yahweh, on the other hand, feels we should be free and independent, even working in harmony with him. But the contest is underway to show that Yahweh is correct and that we are worthy.
Can we free ourselves from Satan's domination? We can see (in the negative) that his fundamental approach is to convince us he doesn't exist, that everyone believes we are doing this to ourselves, and that tyranny is by choice and consent. If you want to pose the big, cosmic questions, there's one right there: Is Satan correct?
I would add that in this contest, Satan was disallowed from using any advanced alien tech, but must seduce and convince us, exercising our own free will. Deception is allowed. On the flip side, a small number of us have been granted full consciousness to use to defend the human race. And here we are doing just that.