Here: Why can I go either East or West from Toronto, and end up in Rome?
Regardless of the shape of the world, it would be because when you are traveling east or west you are actually traveling in a large circle with its center at the north pole.
On a spherical earth, a gyroscope would detect a semi-constant acceleration towards the ground.
Detect? All matter "detects" a semi-constant acceleration towards the ground in your view - doesn't it?
On a flat earth, a gyroscope would detect a semi-constant acceleration to the right or left, but none towards the ground.
The gyro (spin) - scope (see/view) was created for demonstrating the rotation (gyro) of the world - not its shape. If the world were flat, the gyroscope would behave exactly the same way it currently does and for the exact same reasons. Right?
Why do you think its function is dependent on the shape of the world?
What are the results of this experiment -- which is done every day via air-flight?
First of all, this is in no way an experiment - we are talking about mere observations. Secondly, the gyrocompass (and/or artificial horizon in an airplane) works - on that we can agree. Once again the question is why on earth you think that is dependent on the worlds shape. It isn't... and in the case of an airplane, which isn't even touching the ground, it is obviously doubly so.
I don't know, but I suspect that it's the former.
I'm not sure i'm fully understanding you. It seems you aren't properly understanding what the gyroscope is used for on airplanes. Maybe it will become more clear if you can answer some of the questions above.
In any case, your earnest engagement is appreciated!
Jack, I guess rather than gyroscope I should have said accelerometer -- so a device, such as a fiber-optic ring that will tell you your acceleration, both magnitude and direction.
In an airplane that's coasting, there is no acceleration, because gravity is balanced by lift. This is why you can walk in an airplane at cruising altitude. But once you hit turbulence -- well, fasten your seatbelt!
Now, if you're flying east-west on a 'Gleason map' flat-earth, then you have to constantly veer to the left to maintain the circle. You won't notice this effect physically, because it's small. But a sensitive accelerometer will detect it. This is the infamous 'centripetal acceleration' that people struggle with in uni!
Conversely, if you're on a Globe earth, you'll have to constantly veer downwards, otherwise you'd fly off into space. Again, you don't notice this effect, but an accelerometer would detect it.
Jack, I guess rather than gyroscope I should have said accelerometer -- so a device, such as a fiber-optic ring that will tell you your acceleration, both magnitude and direction.
Makes no difference at all. RLG's, mems, gyrocompasses (which do contain gyroscopes) - none of them in any way depend on the earths shape to function. This is an encouraged/popularized mistake/misunderstanding. Ask yourself - why do you think they need the world to be spherical in order to work?
In an airplane that's coasting, there is no acceleration, because gravity is balanced by lift.
That's not what the equations describe, but god knows i agree with you. The plane is (basically) not accelerating towards the ground when it is flying at constant elevation.
Now, if you're flying east-west on a 'Gleason map' flat-earth, then you have to constantly veer to the left to maintain the circle. You won't notice this effect physically, because it's small. But a sensitive accelerometer will detect it.
It certainly could, i agree. In reality, such precision even if present (it isn't) would be massively overwhelmed by local sources (wind, vibration, actual course flown etc.). A very large circle would, and does, seem identical to a straight path. Of course, airplanes don't travel in perfectly straight lines in any case. It's all a bit moot.
Conversely, if you're on a Globe earth, you'll have to constantly veer downwards, otherwise you'd fly off into space.
This is a common mistaken view amongst the "flat earthers" (psyop). They argue that because a plane DOESN'T (and doesn't need to) make any such corrections that this demonstrates the world can't be spherical the way we are taught.
If you agreed with this (flawed) premise, you would likely come to the same conclusion - that the world was not spherical, so it is a bit odd to me that you brought it up!
I hope this clears up what I mean?
A little. I still think you are misunderstanding what gyroscopes (and/or accelerometers) are in planes and what their function is.
Anyway, i once again thank you for earnestly engaging in the conversation. You might be surprised how rare that is! Much appreciated.
Here: Why can I go either East or West from Toronto, and end up in Rome?
On a spherical earth, a gyroscope would detect a semi-constant acceleration towards the ground.
On a flat earth, a gyroscope would detect a semi-constant acceleration to the right or left, but none towards the ground.
What are the results of this experiment -- which is done every day via air-flight? I don't know, but I suspect that it's the former.
Regardless of the shape of the world, it would be because when you are traveling east or west you are actually traveling in a large circle with its center at the north pole.
Detect? All matter "detects" a semi-constant acceleration towards the ground in your view - doesn't it?
The gyro (spin) - scope (see/view) was created for demonstrating the rotation (gyro) of the world - not its shape. If the world were flat, the gyroscope would behave exactly the same way it currently does and for the exact same reasons. Right?
Why do you think its function is dependent on the shape of the world?
First of all, this is in no way an experiment - we are talking about mere observations. Secondly, the gyrocompass (and/or artificial horizon in an airplane) works - on that we can agree. Once again the question is why on earth you think that is dependent on the worlds shape. It isn't... and in the case of an airplane, which isn't even touching the ground, it is obviously doubly so.
I'm not sure i'm fully understanding you. It seems you aren't properly understanding what the gyroscope is used for on airplanes. Maybe it will become more clear if you can answer some of the questions above.
In any case, your earnest engagement is appreciated!
Wrong.
What, specifically, is "wrong". Use your words
Jack, I guess rather than gyroscope I should have said accelerometer -- so a device, such as a fiber-optic ring that will tell you your acceleration, both magnitude and direction.
In an airplane that's coasting, there is no acceleration, because gravity is balanced by lift. This is why you can walk in an airplane at cruising altitude. But once you hit turbulence -- well, fasten your seatbelt!
Now, if you're flying east-west on a 'Gleason map' flat-earth, then you have to constantly veer to the left to maintain the circle. You won't notice this effect physically, because it's small. But a sensitive accelerometer will detect it. This is the infamous 'centripetal acceleration' that people struggle with in uni!
Conversely, if you're on a Globe earth, you'll have to constantly veer downwards, otherwise you'd fly off into space. Again, you don't notice this effect, but an accelerometer would detect it.
I hope this clears up what I mean?
Aerotrain
Makes no difference at all. RLG's, mems, gyrocompasses (which do contain gyroscopes) - none of them in any way depend on the earths shape to function. This is an encouraged/popularized mistake/misunderstanding. Ask yourself - why do you think they need the world to be spherical in order to work?
That's not what the equations describe, but god knows i agree with you. The plane is (basically) not accelerating towards the ground when it is flying at constant elevation.
It certainly could, i agree. In reality, such precision even if present (it isn't) would be massively overwhelmed by local sources (wind, vibration, actual course flown etc.). A very large circle would, and does, seem identical to a straight path. Of course, airplanes don't travel in perfectly straight lines in any case. It's all a bit moot.
This is a common mistaken view amongst the "flat earthers" (psyop). They argue that because a plane DOESN'T (and doesn't need to) make any such corrections that this demonstrates the world can't be spherical the way we are taught.
If you agreed with this (flawed) premise, you would likely come to the same conclusion - that the world was not spherical, so it is a bit odd to me that you brought it up!
A little. I still think you are misunderstanding what gyroscopes (and/or accelerometers) are in planes and what their function is.
Anyway, i once again thank you for earnestly engaging in the conversation. You might be surprised how rare that is! Much appreciated.