Well, “jew” was a word invented centuries later, the first Christians were actually “Judeans” (i.e. they lived in “the land of Judah”), a geographical region and not an ethnic nor religious descriptor
Judaism the religion didn’t crystalize until 500+ years after the death of Christ, with the writing of the Talmud
You’re probably just making a joke but I find the whole “Jesus was a jew!” narrative to be subversive enough that it should be called out when seen
And that’s before even considering the Khazar theory (i.e. ashkenazi’s aren’t descended from biblical Judeans) or the white Israelite theory (i.e. the “Lost Tribes” driven north during the Assyrian conquest of israel eventually became “the European races” - Dan-ish from the tribe of Dan, Saxons <isaacson> descended from Isaac, etc)
The Pentatauch predates Christianity by several hundred years. Jew, Hebrew, Israelite, Yahweh-ists... call them what you will, but until Christ was born and died, Judaism or Hebrew or whatever you want to call it was the religion of the first apostles which, to me (and anyone with an opinion worth a shit on the matter), are the first Christians.
Jewish Christianity was definitely a thing for a good bit after Jesus walked the Earth; it still is to a very, very minor, perverted extent, but Jews trying to follow the Old Covenant in Moses and the New in Jesus were definitely a thing in the early AD.
Yes, Talmudic Judaism is different and perverse. But I'm talking about history that's pretty well documented.
That’s the only point I was making. And it’s not so much “talmudic judaism” but “judaism” generally, as today talmudic is the only kind that exists. It is probably more accurate and useful if we used a different word to describe the system as it was prior to Christ, and “judaism” afterward, given how much of their effort became dedicated to rejecting His wisdom.
But I'm talking about history that's pretty well documented.
Well, in broad strokes maybe, but it really feels like the specifics of that era have been shrouded and obscured by so many tellings and re-tellings as to be quite questionable, as evidenced by the massive confusion on the subject these days (mUh jUdEo-ChRiStIaN vALuEs)
Well, “jew” was a word invented centuries later, the first Christians were actually “Judeans” (i.e. they lived in “the land of Judah”), a geographical region and not an ethnic nor religious descriptor
Judaism the religion didn’t crystalize until 500+ years after the death of Christ, with the writing of the Talmud
You’re probably just making a joke but I find the whole “Jesus was a jew!” narrative to be subversive enough that it should be called out when seen
And that’s before even considering the Khazar theory (i.e. ashkenazi’s aren’t descended from biblical Judeans) or the white Israelite theory (i.e. the “Lost Tribes” driven north during the Assyrian conquest of israel eventually became “the European races” - Dan-ish from the tribe of Dan, Saxons <isaacson> descended from Isaac, etc)
Cheers bro thanks, really all I’m doing is patching together the insights of those who came before.
As the famous saying goes, we stand on the shoulders of giants
The Pentatauch predates Christianity by several hundred years. Jew, Hebrew, Israelite, Yahweh-ists... call them what you will, but until Christ was born and died, Judaism or Hebrew or whatever you want to call it was the religion of the first apostles which, to me (and anyone with an opinion worth a shit on the matter), are the first Christians.
Jewish Christianity was definitely a thing for a good bit after Jesus walked the Earth; it still is to a very, very minor, perverted extent, but Jews trying to follow the Old Covenant in Moses and the New in Jesus were definitely a thing in the early AD.
Yes, Talmudic Judaism is different and perverse. But I'm talking about history that's pretty well documented.
That’s the only point I was making. And it’s not so much “talmudic judaism” but “judaism” generally, as today talmudic is the only kind that exists. It is probably more accurate and useful if we used a different word to describe the system as it was prior to Christ, and “judaism” afterward, given how much of their effort became dedicated to rejecting His wisdom.
Well, in broad strokes maybe, but it really feels like the specifics of that era have been shrouded and obscured by so many tellings and re-tellings as to be quite questionable, as evidenced by the massive confusion on the subject these days (mUh jUdEo-ChRiStIaN vALuEs)